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Topic Dog Boards / General / BBC news-"Vets issue animal vaccine warning"
- By Blue Date 18.12.07 09:24 UTC Edited 18.12.07 09:28 UTC
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3588457.stm

Quote from the article

"The present practice of marketing vaccinations for companion animals may constitute fraud by misrepresentation, fraud by silence and theft by deception
Vets' group "
- By Admin (Administrator) Date 18.12.07 09:43 UTC
So does this mean we can sue them? They must owe me millions! :D
- By Blue Date 18.12.07 11:02 UTC
Me to :-D would come in handy just now.

But there is always a loop hole, they will say they worked on the information they have and had then :-)

It is like going into hospital in a way, if you get really poor treatment and pick up bugs , lose a leg or two nothing very much you can do unless to can prove that they standard of care you got was less that the person in the next bed or ward basically.  :-)

I do think it is a postive move though and pleased to see it,  if only at least open up the debate scientifically..

Hope it doesn't fuel the fire on here though :-D :-D  
- By Jeangenie [gb] Date 18.12.07 11:05 UTC
A shame that the article was published on April 1st, back in 2004 ... there'll always be an element of doubt about it! ;) :D
- By Blue Date 18.12.07 11:09 UTC
Of course but at least something is being actually researched.   It was sent to me and I thought it useful so passed it here. Not everyone is very PRO vaccines for various reasons :-D
- By Jeangenie [gb] Date 18.12.07 11:39 UTC
It's the date that bothers me - April 1st - April Fools' Day ...
- By Blue Date 18.12.07 12:27 UTC
It is the BCC they would get hung for something like that. JG :-)  

Why would the BCC joke about that anyway, the dog world isn't something that is generally in the top ten of news ;-) they could find something else  that seemed more interesting and relevant to the generally public.
- By Jeangenie [gb] Date 18.12.07 12:27 UTC
Like spaghetti trees! ;)
- By Blue Date 18.12.07 12:52 UTC
Probably :-) but this is too serious to joke about.
- By Perry Date 18.12.07 11:55 UTC
I don't believe they would joke about something so serious, so no doubt in my mind.
We only have to search this forum to find lots of posts about dogs becoming ill after vaccines and bootsers.

I recently had my dogs titre tested.  One of the dogs results were not what I'd hoped and although his titre was really high for distemper in 2000's it was low for parvo (only 4).  Unfortunately the vet wouldn't vaccinate for parvo only unless I purchased the whole box of vaccines :mad: I phoned around and it was the same with all the practices I spoke to.  They would happily give the combined booster that was NOT necessary. 

I have since found a homeopathic vet who practices  both homeopathic and conventional, she told me that for some dogs Parvo vaccine does not take and even if he had a vaccine for parvo this year in a few weeks his titre could be low:eek:  So he is now on homeopathic nosodes and I'm glad to say I feel happier, he is healthier and I've also found a kennels that will accept nosodes if administered by a vet YIPPEE!!

The moral of my story is if you can't find what you want in your vet, search around until you find one on your wavelength who will listen and is not blindly injecting chemicals into your dogs that they don't need!
- By Moonmaiden Date 18.12.07 15:34 UTC
This might be of interest to dog & cat people on here
- By Jetstone Jewel [ca] Date 18.12.07 16:35 UTC
Very good paper Moonmaiden, thanks. 
- By georgepig [gb] Date 18.12.07 16:59 UTC
Very interesting - but now I'm even more confused about what to do.  I wasn't going to get my guy done this year but maybe I should think about it then leave the 3 year gaps after :confused::confused:
- By jackson [gb] Date 20.12.07 12:54 UTC
georgepig, it is not good enough simply not to vaccinate as often. You need to Titre test to see what your dog needs vaccinating for.

Here is the letter which the new article is refferring to, absolutely not an April fool:

http://www.killcrazy.co.uk/dogstuff/Vaccination/Vaccine%20Info.htm
- By Dakkobear [gb] Date 20.12.07 13:12 UTC
But as its been more than three years since the article was published and we have heard no more about it then its obviously not moving on much is it?
- By Annie ns Date 20.12.07 13:56 UTC
The only people with the funds to research the subject are the vaccine companies and they have a vested interest (along with vets) in not making any changes.  If you were a vaccine manufacturer, would you be likely to agree, or even be prepared to research, that initial vaccines could cover for life? 
- By georgepig [gb] Date 20.12.07 15:00 UTC
I still have time to get him done I just don't want to overvaccinate him and as the manufacturers state the vaccine should last three years I presumed it would so I thought I would do a bit of research before deciding on what to do.
I asked about titre testing on here and got the general impression that it was a great thing to do but could only tell you the immunity of the dog there and then.
So I am still stuck as to what to do as I am finding it difficult to find a vet near me (Leeds) that will titre test AND only administer the part of the vaccine that is required - without me having to buy the full box!!!
It's so confusing:confused:
- By jackson [gb] Date 20.12.07 19:51 UTC
Titre testing can give an indication as to how long immunities will last for. Even if it didn't, at leats it would let yuo know that the dog had been immune.

Just because a dog has had a vaccine, it does not mean it is immune to whatever it has been immunised against.
- By georgepig [gb] Date 21.12.07 10:43 UTC
Thanks - summed it up perfectly I think.
Ringing around vets now as we speak :cool:
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