After many years of having light brown/caramel coloured hair I have decided to have red once again.

Found a colour I really like but have two problems.

Problem one: for about two weeks after dying it, the towels are getting covered in dye everytime I dry it after washing.  Had red hair few years ago and don't recall this happening.

Problem two:  I have bought shampoo & conditioner for coloured hair & hair looks nice for few days & then it starts looking dull.

I like the colour but how can I get it to look good all the time?

I colour my hair (usually red) and have done for many years :) Some dyes DO stain the towel and water for days of a couple of weeks after and some don't. Just experiment (I tend to buy a different one each month :D )

Mine does stay glossy though ...I think drinking lots of water helps with hair (I seem to remember reading that somewhere) oh and I use Pantene sleek and glossy shampoo and conditioner :D

i remember a similar post a while ago, and a hairdresser (i think) on this board said not to use shampoo's with silicone in them-pantene being one of them, although i'm not sure if its across all the range?

i used to get my hair dyed every 6 wks or so at the hairdressers a couple of years back (ruby wax red). I used the Nicky Clarke range which seemed to suit my hair, and Daniel Field has some nice stuff, but i haven't seen it in the shops for aaaages-you can buy direct from his salon though. Aveda does some fab coloured hair shampoo's. Now i'm au natrel (highlights grew out just before xmas), i use molton brown (the indian cress conditioner smells amazing) and tresemme cleansing shampoo with a leave in condtioner once a week.

I think it was Briedog who mentioned not to use Pantene, come on Terri help us.  I'm actually for the last few days have become a blackhead and boy am I having more fun than when I went blonde.  Black is the new blonde me thinks :d  Might just get a man yet, you never know might just have someone before my 35th which isn't very far away :d

I can't remember which make of colour I used last Sunday but my hair towel hasn't been red once and I am using Pantene ;)

Pantene makes my head itch!!
I use loving care range and dont see any staining on the towels!!
the shampoo I like is elvive for coloured hair (red bottle) tried everything but always go back to that one ... you could use  spray on shine most do them even in tesco!!

~Roni

Pantene is awful and should be banned from the shelves if you ask me!!

The best thing you can do is ask your hairdresser (we even know a bit about 'DIY' hair treatments you know!!! )

Salon products will always overshadow anything you can buy in Boots, and if you don't like the prices then find a beauty wholesalers that are open to the GP (Sallys e.g.) - oh and the Treseme range doesn't count as salon products!!

>Pantene is awful and should be banned from the shelves if you ask me!!

Funny how I get on fine with it :D

That is the problem Mel!

You find with Pantene that it does make most people's hair nice and shiny, and healthy looking, then they try a different shampoo and their hair goes lank, dry, flyaway, maybe even feels thinner, so they go back to Pantene because "it suits their hair", little do they know that it is the Pantene that causes the damage to the hair. It coats each hair with silicon, this is what makes it shiny, easier to manage, more healthy looking, when you use a different shampoo, it strips the hair of the silicon leaving a hair that has been starved of the natural oils that the silicon forms a barrier against.

Interesting what you say about the Treseme as there was a study in a mag I just read that actually compared contents scientifically as some manufactuers who supply for Salons only where challenging their claim.. GUESS What.. they Salon Manufactuers were wrong Treseme scientifically was examined and proved to be as good as 5 top leading salon shampoos..

Not I dont' have any reason to debate it as I personally use a salon shampoo BUT only because I haven't found one that is light enough for my hair.

TBH Blue, I actually haven't seen any evidence from the labs on it, but when I was hairdressing we actually used to run the then salon range, none of us were impressed, and since it has been on the shelves I have only heard bad things about it from my own hairdresser and the people I used to work with.

Hey Natalie, :-)

I realise the real science ie biology/phyisics training is limited in hairdressing  regardless where you train that is understandable or you would be in training for 10 years :-D. I know the suppliers provide information but I think a lot of this is based on marketing the products also.  I don't mean that as a criticism to you as hair dressers certainly get a good mix of people who can give opinion on products.  I remember years ago and maybe some hairdressers still do use they pin brushes.  I hate them. I had 2 disputes with hairdressers who wanted to use them on my hair and I wouldn't have it as I have bleached highlighted hair , they split the hair ( or certainly mine)  but hairdresser a few years back used to  but then perhaps some people think they are great.

The article I mentioned above was in one of the womans mags last month or maybe Jan, I did think of the thread on here when I read it  :-) but I am one of these people who has to see to believe or see the real scientifically backed up evidence on anything. 

There was also a shampoo and skin care product thing on one of the breakfast TV shows this year maybe someone else will remember it when they tested all the products and again the top end products actually didn't come out all that great. One or two did but on the whole the mildest products did the best. I remember the silicon based hair products mentioned and they were not as popular with the fine haired people but those with thicker , curly hair had good results. BTW I guess you know this but there are loads of Companies with Silicon in their hair products.  For my hair they are no use but Pantene are not alone in their use of Silicon and it does work for some people.

I personally only use clinique on my face as I have fair and very sensitive skin but my sister hates the stuff and I only use Paul Mitchell shampoo on my hair but this is really just because it works for me. I am not fussy on a couple of the conditioner ranges in the Paul Mitchell range as my hair feels like it needs washed 10 mins after washing it so tend to use KMS leave in spray conditioner.  I would need to read some of the bottles but I think some of the Salon product suppliers also have a bit of it going on in their products.

http://www.epinions.com and Dooyoo had quite a variance in reviews on the Pantene if anyone was interested. Mixed reviews like most products :-)

Blue, not meaning to sound all knowing but I think you are missing my point, forgive me if I am wrong though.

My point isn't that people are unhappy with Pantene, or indeed any other products which have silicon in them (Although Pantene are one of the worst, and most popular contenders!) and in fact the reason why Pantene in particular is so popular is because it does 'what it says on the tin'...well OK the bottle, but it does (with most peple) give shiny, healthy looking, managable hair. It is the damage that it causes to the hair that people only see when they switch shampoos, they straight away go back to Pantene, because as HG's hairdresser put's it so nicely, it covers over the cracks.

I think I mentioned on the original thread, my sister has used Pantene for years and years, she get's the results she want's from Pantene, and has admitted that when she uses a different shampoo her hair is awful, so she always goes back to Pantene, and that is with me sticking my boot in every now and then and telling her off!! Most consumers would rather have hair that looks healthy, than actually doing a little bit of work to keep it healthy throughout!

There are differing views amongst hairdressers on all products/equipment, tending to be between 'the oldies' and the 'youngsters' but that isn't set in stone, you will find that most hairdressers will tell you same as I am about Pantene and similar products.

Hairdressing may not be rocket science, but it is a subject that is constantly changing because of how much more we know about hair than even 10 years ago, it is an on going training program for most hairdressers, if I ever go back to it, I will have a hell of a lot to catch up on! Quite like the lady of liesure approach though!! ;)

i used to use clinique, Blue, and it wrecked my skin. I was assessed three times by a clinique person, and each time they gave me different stuff to try, but the damage was already done. I use Philosophy (and occasionally Molton Brown) now, and its fabulous. My skin's never looked or felt better. Its the usual case of what suits one doesn't suit another-just like shampoos.

Put in Pantene on the search and it was a post that was done in December of last year.  A few shampoos etc. are mentioned are on there that should be of use.

Sorry I haven't a clue how to link it

>I am using Pantene<

My daughter uses it as she has dark shiny hair and loves it. :-)  If it was that bad it would be off the shelf in my opinion and it is popular :-)

I use Paul Mitchell Shampoo one myself BUT only because I have super fine hair and this works on mine.

Why would they take it off the shelves? It doesn't cause any more damage to your hair than a can of full fat coke a day would to your body and I can't see them taking coke off the shelves - mores the pity! :)

oooh a 'Girlie' thread hoorah! :D
At present Im a natural blonde (I just dye my roots brown so people think Im actually an Intellegent Brunette underneath it all ;) ;) )
   I did however go through a 'Red' phase..(it was about the time I thought I was the girl with the long fringe and wedge hair cut in The Human League :rolleyes:)
   And I found henna and especially the Brand Aveda's shampoo for red heads the only thing that kept a natural Lustre. (beer is good too...seriously! as a rinse)
    Agree with Nat about Pantene products my hairdresser whom I trudge into London for the privilage,and part with faaar too much money,calls it 'Papering over the cracks'.....and well he's got Sienna Miller and the Nottinghill mob (and me!) on his books..his words gospel to me! ;) :D

Thanks for the replies.

When get back home I'm going to check shampoo I'm using & what the dye is, I don't know the make but know it's called Cyber purple.

Check out you HuskyGal, what salon do you go to? I'm very jealous, would love for just once to have my hair done by a 'professional' hairdresser!  I have mine done in Keith Hall's in Nottm, the salon is very good (hate the way they are always trying to sell you Wella products though!), when I moved away to uni I used to go home for my hair done but at last I've found a hairdresser who does what I ask her to (a rareity I have found!!)

I tend to use different products depending on whats on offer, currently using John Freida Brilliant Brunette (they do a Red & Blonde range) & it has been fine although I do prefer the Tigi Bedhead range.  I tend to buy my stuff from a website called www.lookfantastic.com, if you sing up you get a discount off their products & they stock almost every salon range e.g Keraste, Bumble Bee, Wella SP & Tigi...give it a go, they also do cosmetics & GHD straightners for less than £80, bargain!!! :)

Thats a great link Gemma thanks! :D
I looove the Tigi bed head products I use the Oatmeal&Honey conditioner..MMMmm smells gorge too! and the only thing that turns my 'bleached to within an inch of its life' hair to silk from straw!! (The Health Goddess Vitamin spray is a god send too!highly reccomend that)
    Its Lee Stafford in wardour street Soho, that I go to,its the only one of its kind that I havent found intimidating, its really friendly, laid back and quite funky ( and they dont make me feel like a 'Pikey' for cutting my own fringe when I get desperate b'tween appointments!! ) when he had his Tv show it was hell trying to get appointments but seems better now.
    Im not usually one for paying more for a 'name' but gotta say the treatments they do I cant get anywhere else, my hair is shiny and silky for months after..its well worth it :D

Whilst on the topic of hairdressers, I was listening to Steve Penk on Key 103 radio channel the other day.
He was discussing the price of hair cuts & was horrified when his wife told him for a cut & colour her bill came to £108!!, he was asking how hairdressers could justify the price.
A hairdresser rang in & agreed prices were silly considering 1 tube of hair dye cost bet £5 & £15.
I think i've got alot of catching up to do, for the last 8yrs I have dyed my hair myself & stuck with a dry trim every 3 months to save money & time(with 4 small children).
I was thinking of treating myself to Tigi moisture maniac shampoo/conditioner anyone tried it?

I used to pay £120 a month for a cut and colour and if I could afford it I still would my hair always looked great, I loved going, they were never too busy to talk to you and help you pick out a new style and if you were struggling with styling your hair they would talk you through it step by step until you were happy. The head massage you got was worth the money. You got a glass of wine instead of a cup of tea(my kind of hairdressers)
Mary

Moisture Manic is supposed to be excellent, haven't personally tried it but on that website it has got great reviews...

Speaking of hair dye, my roots need doing badly! Their already 2 inches long and im not dying my hair till im about 14 weeks as i know it wont take from last time :rolleyes:

I use Dove, but am getting a bit fed up and am going to get some Loreal! Im always switching shampoos and conditioners, i get bored lol

If you cant find a shampoo that stops your red dye from staining your towels, how about buying a dark red or black towel and just use it especially for your hair :)

I once went through a dark brown stage and the dye my hairdresser used was a bit pants and went over my mums towels for about 2 weeks after i had it dyed! She was a bit ----> lol

Personally I use Dove shampoo and conditioner.  I don't have full head colour though - I have thick blond stripes - but it works wonderfully.  I used it also when I used to have full head colour - however many different colours I had!  Ah, the college days :) red, purple, blue-black, tortoiseshell (SO not intentional!)... :D

I noticed the same thing with the red though, it took a while to rinse out all the loose colour.  Never noticed it with other colours, oddly enough.

Wash your hair in as cool water as you can stand.
Warm water opens up the cuticle and can help the colour molecules wash out, where as cold water keeps the cuticle more closed off and the colour molecule cant escape as easily.

And a shampoo specifically for coloured hair - doesnt have to be for red hair, and then a conditoner for red hair would probably work better than both a shampoo and conditioner for red hair or coloured hair.

When I dye my hair - usually blue black with hot pink or purple chunks - I wash it in the sink with COLD water, and I have never had a staining issue or fading issue. And fashion colours like pink etc are notorious for running and fade. And when I have washed it in warm water, there was pink stains on everything, and it went from a nice rich pink to washed out fairy floss pink :(

*sigh*
I miss hairdressing so much. But my qualification isnt recognised over here :(

Im NOT a girly person, and im also not a hairdresser.....

(so interested to see what hairdressers think here)...

I have very very curly, dry  hair. Its frizzy its knotty, i have terribly split ends, i have bleached it, dyed it and generally abused it, but... (oh and ive also found that a vast number of hairdressers like to turn me into a an afro/poodle).

Things i have worked out...

1/ Dont use shampoo unless you HAVE to. Use it if you are using other products on your hair every day, yes but use the mildest shampoo you can find (when i was using gel and hairspray i used baby shampoo, a sensitive skin one).
Shampoo strips all the dirt out of your hair - but along with it, it will strip out all teh natural oils that your hair needs. And then of course you must replace those by using conditioner.

2/I use conditioner every time i wash my hair, (not pantene YUCK), and i NEVER brush my hair dry, i brush it through wtih conditioner on ti, with my fingers first, then a wide toothed detangling comb.
Then i rinse with cold water - like Ella says , as cold as you can stand it.

If you have got dry hair that doestn get uber greasy particularly quickly (mines curly so you wouldnt notice if it did, but last time i had it straightened it was over a WEEK ebfore it looked even vaguely dirty), then water and some conditioner is all you need to get out dirt, unless you are using lots of hair products.

With that regime, i dont NEED any silicone type sprays on my vicious, attacks people in the street, loopy crazy curly hair at all. Just no brushing, water, conditioner and leaving it to dry naturally (usually whilst im asleep).

Easy peasey!

I do get my frend to trim it for me though, she WAS a hairdresser and im too mean to pay!

Em