Hi there is a scam  going on ,on an   American dog site

People are advertising pups for sale ,with photo's of dogs that
they have taken from breeders web site's, I found out when I got
loads of emails from breeders in America saying that a well known champion
dog that I own, was on the american website for sale as a five month old
Norwich Terrier called Mat, for $500,  the photo is a well known photo
that is copyright, Ihave mailed the site owners 5 times asking them to remove
the photo, no answer as yet,
A friend and fellow Norwich owner in America have phoned the site owner and
and this is what they had to say.

Admin: URL snipped.

Hello all,
I just got off the phone with  xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

I explained to  him what was going on with our breed's photos on 
their website.  He said that they are simply a bulletin board for 
"breeders" to post their dogs for sale.  He explained that it got 
started because his sons purchased a dog over the Internet and 
thought this would be a great thing to do.  (ughhh) He said, "We 
think it's a neat way to buy/sell a puppy."  I explained that these 
dogs "for sale" are:

1) Photos not belonging to the person who is supposedly the seller 
and thus these are misrepresentations of the dog that actually is for 
sale, or it's out and out fraud because that dog is not for sale and 
perhaps someone will be sending money but not receiving any dog;
2) No responsible breeder would sell a dog over the Internet when 
they have not been able to check out a potential home. I went on to 
explain that these are either fraudsters with no dog to sell or puppy 
mills.

He said that they cannot be responsible for the sales that occur on 
their website.  He also explained that it would be financially 
impossible to do background checks on everyone who submits a sale.  I 
said, "Clearly all of your actions are irresponsible!"  After a nice 
lecture from me as well as an interactive tour of his site, where I 
pointed out Garry Mason's CH. Glenhafod Arizona as "Matt" and then 
took him to Garry's actual website, he said, "Well, I see what you're 
saying.  We're not familiar with the dog business..." to which I 
responded really sarcastically, "So, that's why you're in it?  Again, 
your actions are irresponsible and you are providing a service that 
perpetrates fraud against ignorant people and MOST importantly, you 
are perpetuating the business of puppy mills which is an abuse of any 
animal."  In the closing minutes of our conversation, he said, "We're 
not the bad guys" to which I replied, "Are you sure?"  He "thanked me 
for the enlightening conversation" and I told him that I would not be 
the last person to be calling with complaints.

If I remmber rightly the same thing happened last year and there was HELL to play when they advertised a Ch Newfie on the site...apparently last time they got hold of the MOTHER of this alleged child!!!! As far as I know there never was a child in the picture at all...just further lies within their wicked web!!

As always, it's about educating Joe Public about the unwise way to buy a doggy. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

All the best, Dawn X

It happened to someone on this forum a little while ago.  Their dog ws advertised in a shop window, search  "my dog in the shop window"  Advertising on the internet is a different ball game altogether though.  How easy would it be for you to advertise on the same internet site?

I think you are being too harsh, and pretty rude, its a message board I am guessing, he is right that he cannot check everyone, just like on this board!  He is doing something for nothing to help people get pets, just because people scam on that website it is not his fault, if you just made a rude phonecall to someone you should be the one looking at yourself.

I do not think that people should sell pets on an internet set. If this man cannot for any reason do all the relevant checks including 'home checks' he should leave re homing pets to the regular authorities who have the expertise

BUSINESS this is not a business a business implies profit there is not profit in selling puppies or dogs i think this bloke is an idiot and a con

adamf the roblem she was pointing out was he is using pics of other people dogs not his own and if you want a pet go to a reputable breeder or go to an animal shelter there are millions of dogs every year that are put to sleep in shelters because of idiots like this not checking situations out properly just thinking he will make a buck and who cares about the dogs well the people who care about these dogs are the people who come on these forums to talk about theirs and other peoples dogs and the people who arnt just going to buy a pup while its cute and then get rid of it when its older the ones who believe owning a dog is a comittment for the dogs natural life

Selling puppies is big business here and there is definitely profit to be made in puppy farming

yeah but thats unethical breeding im talking about someone who breed responsibly the costs of the test and then raising pups is not cheap and a responsible breeder never calls it a business it is a passion and love for your breed and wanting to make it better

The website owner isn't selling the puppies though, he's selling the advertising that's why he's calling it a business, he knows nothing about dogs.

There are two things at issue here. Firstly, you do NOT use copyright photographs without permission, let alone in a way that can only mislead visitors to the site.

Second, you don't encourage the sale of puppies on the internet and this sort of site simply reinforces the idea that pups are merely commodities instead of a lifetime commitment that requires rather more research before entering into it!

Could you explain how I have been Rude or Harsh to these people.

  AdamF As I have never spoke to them, If you read the two post I made you
will see a friend in America made the  call to the site.

And the site is nothing liks  CD site, It is run for profit by its owners,
The whole point is there are People using the site  to Scam the public
out of money, and are stealing Photo's off breeders websites and advertising
that this is what the people are buying, But the Dogs do not exist,Its a
Scam. Why I am angry with the website owner is that I and others have mailed
him to the fact this is going on, And-to remove the photo's own by us, he as not
returned  any of our mails, so this is why fellow breeders in America have phoned him,
There is a site that is looking into complaints from people who have been caught  by advertisers on this site, if you mail private I will give you the site.add

Adam, you're not ANOTHER relative of them are you???:rolleyes:

Hi all, Just thought Id throw in my bit aswell. Im studying Multmedia Systems BSC(Hons) in Uni at the moment and within that course I do advanced web design etc etc. We were told legalities of using pictures on a basic site and also user posted images like on forums. The way it goes as far as I remember is if a user posts an image on your site or you post an image which is copyrighted and you get informed to remove the picture by the copyright holder or legal representative within 24 hours you must remove the picture. If this is not done then you just inform their ISP/HOST that their user is hosting copyrighted images and not willing to remove them. This will mean that the ISP/HOST will remove the pics and or shut their website down until they agree not to post these pictures. The matter of it being somoene else posting the pictures (a user of the site) is irrelevant. The website user may of agreed to not post copyrighted images in their sign up agreement and that would be up to the owner of the website to police, not you.....but.... the owner of the website will no doubt have an agreement with his Host/ISP not to post illegal images which as the owner hasnt got an agreement with yourselves about using this image means that the picture is illegal and they are breaking their Terms and Conditions. Either way just imform their ISP that they are using copyrighted images and not willing to remove them. If you need any more help on how to get the website Hosts name PM me.

Wow - what a good piece of information to know about. :)

Just quickly want to add that i am a moderator on another dog site (not the 1 in question as i dont even know which one it is!) and as a mod we have access to the posters I.P address's - i dont know if this helps in these sorts of cases?
Just a quick note to admin - im not a spy or anything!

hehe its not the IP of the post that is needed to be honest as thats the one that the website owner would use to spot if the poster gets banned and rejoins etc. All thats needed is the DNS name (thats the blah.com bit) as there is records held about what DNS points to what IP address and with that IP you can find out who owns that server. Thats the Host name. These are the people you would inform about the copyrighted picture.

Oh ok - was just trying to help :-)

Thank you for your information OurObie,  can I send the info you give me
to the friends I have in the USA who are in contact with this site?.
We did try to find who was their IPS were, maybe they have done this ,
I will check the site ,and contact my friends,,  Only just got in from a dog show
Thanks.
G

yea, dont quote me word for word as not of authority but since its a copyrighted image they should not be using without your permission

Hi  I Will  just   take  the ( Just) of the info you give about the ISP  off your
post 
Thanks
G

As an owner of several websites, boards and what not, i will tell you that OBIE gave you sound, correct words of advice.

I own a celebrity forum, and the minute something is posted that isnt true, the agent of said celebrity gets in touch with me with what is known as a cease and desist letter.

OBIE has given very sound advice. Without wanting to sound up my own whatsit, I've got a couple of well published images that I regularly discover appearing without my permission in all sorts of unexpected places online. In most cases a polite request to remove the image results in it being removed and an apology being received but I have had to contact ISPs (or web hosting companies) on a few occasions and they are quick to act since they can be held liable for the legal consequences.