I should also say when I say 'you' I didnt mean that to be directed at a particular person perhaps I should have used 'one' instead

I could not agree more with you Havoc!

I would have my dogs in kennels whilst I am out at work all day but various things prevent me from doing so.

I know plenty of uncared for and neglected dogs that actually "exist" indoors..............

Dogs being plural, the puppy in the post above being singular.

So, you would put a ten week puppy out in a kennel alone overnight?

I don't post very often but, although i wouldn't put my dog outside at night or during the day in my absence, i can understand why some people do. Many dogs are quite happy being outside as long as they are dry and not cold. I also think that it's down to the individual to decide where the dog sleeps. I don't see anything wrong with keeping a mastiff puppy outside if it's where he will spend his nights as an adult. My puppy slept in the kitchen at night and still cried so for the first week we put his crate in the corridor so he could hear us and gradually moved him back to the kitchen... It's not the being outside, it's the being alone and away from his family that upsets a pup. I would say to try to introduce sleeping outside gradually maybe... starting in the kitchen or the hall where you could talk to him to reassure him that you are there and he's not alone. Gradually moving his bed to the door and outside. I would also make sure he's used to go to his kennel during the day and stay there on his own for a short period of time which you could lengthen as he grows up.
Only my opinion

good advise ludivine.:-)

very good comments havoc! :-) i agree!

Mackleback,so i was correct in my earlier post,you put your dog outside because someone told you to do it,right?

Now,i would really like to hear your reason for putting your wee pup outside,doing it because a breeder told you to do it is a bit of a cop out,dont you think? If your breeder told you to  feed your pup only bread for the rest of it's life would you do that to? ;)

Believe it or not i'm sorry the very simple question i asked way up on this thread has had to be drawn out for this long.To be honest i have never met anyone who has kept a small pup outside on it's own during the day,lettalone at night,and for no good reason! When i was calling around looking for breeders for my dogs,i bypassed the very few that housed their dogs outside,the majority of them kept their brood indoors :)

I guess i'm just looking for an answer that will ease my heartache(for lack of a better word) at this little babe being outside.Yes,i am an extreme soft touch when it comes to our beloved dogs and i take things way to personal,,it is after all your dog,not mine, and you have every right not to reply,altho i wish you would :p

All i want to know is why do you feel the need to put your dog outside at night,did the breeder give you a valid reason for doing this? Has your dog ever been destructive in the house before?I'm assuming your paranoid about this??If so, i'm sure we can come up with many options for you to avoid this happening :)

Ok i shall stop my dribbling now ;)

What is the difference in alone in a warm outbuilding and alone in a warm kitchen?  For a large breed I am sure it is better to be in a reasonable sized, safe outbuilding than in a kitchen when a cage may have to be used to ensure safety.  If a dog is going to live out a night I think it is preferable to start off that way so I would say the advise given to Mackleback was sensible and like all good puppy buyers they have had the sense to listen to their breeder :)
PS You can wipe your chin now ;)

I think the use of the word 'warm' as regards the outbuilding/kennel is critical here. The OP made no mention of any form of heating for this very young puppy. At that age they're not good at maintaining their body temperature, and we've been having frosts at night here. If the pup's starting to make a noise at 4 am it could be that it's very very cold.

Then what he needs is advise on making sure the kennel is warm enough perhaps by using a hi/lo thermometer on the wall out of the puppies reach and make adjustments accordingly rather than castigation for not dressing it in winceyette pyjamas before tucking it up in their bed with a cup of cocoa and a chapter of Harry Potter :D
My post was in defense of Mackleback really who has confirmed that their kennel is warm and cosy and yet still gets a bit of stick 

dressing it in winceyette pyjamas before tucking it up in their bed with a cup of cocoa and a chapter of Harry Potter

Have you been peeping through my windows at bedtime Isabel!! :D :D :D

Oh yes I see Willis now in a wee willie winkie hat dreaming of winning the quidditch competition :D

If a kennel's warm and snug then I agree there's not a lot of difference between that and a warm snug kitchen. Shame the OP's not come back and confirmed that the pup's kennel's heated.

But a lot of the posts have seemed to suggest that sleeping outside is not acceptable no matter how warm and cozy.  It reminded me of when Rose got stuck into anyone who made their dog sleep in the kitchen :).  Where is the old stick these days, anyone?  Gone off to consort with the converted only? :D

I shall send you a PM Isabel :)

Thank you.   I guess I am missing the old stick ;)

I'll wager that the OP has fled with their tail firmly between their legs for having been castigated for putting their (seemingly well cared for) dog in a kennel overnight.

Having had a number of pups (but not mastiffs) in both heated, and non-heated kennels (as well as other dogs in the house) I'd suggest that the speed that most pups adapt to sleeping in a kennel (or anywhere else) has more to do with their temperament, the time it gets dark/light and the way that they are introduced to being seperated from the family rather than the temperature. I'd guess that the pup would object before 4AM if temperature were the only issue.

It certainly wont hurt to install a heat source, but I doubt that it'll do the trick for the OPs problem. Hopefully my original suggestions might.

Where someone else lets their dogs sleep is no business of mine. However, I've always considered my wifes parents to be part of the family, however I've yet to feel the urge to sleep in the same bedroom. ;-)

ROFLMAO Havoc!   Too right!!!!!!!!!!!

thamk you for your reply. i put him outside initially because of advise i have been given and because he has a lot more room out there than if i were to keep him in my kitchen.  the run and kennel were made especially for him once i had decided on getting him. i agreed with the advice i was given and i also know that every pup is different, so i would not still keep him out there if he didnt like it or was upset. as i have already mentioned. he is not overly destructive and is a very clever and happy boy! so i see no point in changing where he is at night now, when he is happy. surely doing that would make him unhappy.

Perhaps people are wondering because most dogs sleep at night and therefore they dont need huge amounts of room so quoting 'lack of room ' is not a reason for putting a dog out at night nor is 'being destructive' because surely again the dog is asleep at night and therefore cant be destructive. If someone has a kennel and a run then that seems to suggest that the dog is outside more than in and that doesnt seem right either. What's the point of having an animal if you arnt with them. Also it doesnt work to say, that there are lots of dogs who are inside and are treated cruelly,because two wrongs dont make a right!!

My dogs (boxers) sleep in my bed with me at night,they get cold, and theyre inside,i think theyde be frozen popsicles by the morning if i left them outside at night :( they even try getting under the blankets to catch some of the warmth I would truly miss them if they wernt with me at night,personally i just couldnt segregate them from their family,but thats just me ;)

Mackleback thanks for taking the time to reply :)

PS You can wipe your chin now

You dont miss a trick,do you isabel ;)

personally if I wanted to share a bedroom with something that snores, farts, scratches, sighs, licks and steals the bedclothes, I would get a man.............. :D

personally if I wanted to share a bedroom with something that snores, farts, scratches, sighs, licks and steals the bedclothes

I'm lucky,my dogs dont do any of thos things :)

how remarkable Frodo, love to know a dog that never scratched or licked for a start!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :rolleyes:

Tohme perhaps both them and myself are too busy sleeping :rolleyes: Mine dont scratch and lick in their sleep,well theyve never woken me up doing it,do yours? :)

As no dog actually sleeps for 8 hours straight I would not imagine they do scratch and lick in their sleep, but they do when they wake up, which is often.  Dog sleep patterns differ a great deal from ours, they sleep for small stretches at a time.

My dogs never wake me up, I sleep too well and soundly for that, but I do know they get up, turn around, have a drink etc during the night.

My dogs sleep in the kitchen at night where it gets pretty cold in winter once the heating goes off but they have warm beds they are free from draughts and wear fur coats :) they are more likely to complain in the summer when they seem to get a bit warm if I don't change their padded bed for a bit of vetbed.  I would imagine Macklebacks kennel will be about the same.

Of course dogs should sleep at night and not be destructive they don't seem to always realise that though :D :D Have you read any of the threads of what peoples dogs have managed to destroy? :D
Mackleback has told us that the dog sleeps out at night and comes in during the day when people are about, that suggests to me a level of companionship that many working owners do not offer their dog.

our Staff doesnt scratch or lick or fart either she just flops on the bed and goes to sleep, unless she gets cold and then she wakes us as she's trying to lift the quilt cover to get underneath. she sleeps right till morning and we have to wake her sometimes to get up

Same here Coleystaff :) It's not unusual for them not to get up till 10-11am some days,especially when it's really cold. Whereas i'm up at 7am

What can i say,i just have "remarkable" dogs :D ;)

I'm going to join your club Frodo I think because when I think of it my Husband and I have done nothing by the book really when it comes to having Giorgia.
Admittedly we read every book there was and prepared ourselves when we had decided we were going to have a Staff but after that we just did what we felt was right.
We were first time owners. We picked her up at 5 and a half weeks which most will say is early and although she was the smallest even the breeder agreed she was the most forward of the litter and was very independent of her mum then (breeder is highly experienced and highly respected). We fed her milky meals and four times a day which seems to be a less popular pattern. She still has eggs for breakfast at 14 months old and has two other meals a day. We spayed her at 6 months before her first season. We do not use a crate. She sleeps with us in the bed.
We now have a non dog aggressive, loving affectionate Staff who is very quick to learn, has never chewed and eats everything we give her. Seems like we must have been doing something right or some will say we are lucky!!!

Coleystaff-Bless :)

It seems were the only ones in the world who let our dogs sleep on our beds...Shame on us :(

Well i've never been a conformist,never will i suppose ;)

Anyways this thread is really tiring me,my boss is shooting me strange looks from accross the room(i dont usually LOL at my desk),think it's time to do some work :rolleyes: :p

Since splitting with my OH my boys have begun sleeping on my bed, you lot are sooooo lucky ........  It starts with a race to get to bed because once they are on it I only get a corner of the duvet, once we are all settled the licking and nibbling starts (them not me !!) a few light kicks from under the duvet stop that ;) once sleeping my god does Alfie SNORE he generally sleeps on his back (with his head on the pillow :rolleyes: ) and he snores, grumbles, crys in his sleep and fidgets all night, I often wake up with one of his great hairy paws in my face :D :D and in the morning after I have lent over a hairy ginger mass to turn off the alarm Fagan gets up, stretches and does the loudest farts every :p

I decided last night after finding a few ticks on them that I didnt want to be cuddled up that close to them at night so they spent the night with the run of the house occasionally scratching my door to see if it would open - nasty mummy :(

I did the same when I chucked my ex husband out and had the girls as my bed companion ! :D

They were a very big comfort emotionally but flippin umcomfortable physically as two Labs against me, really no chance :rolleyes: :D

I personally have no problem with dogs sleeping outside so long as it is dry and draft free :)

Lucy
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