Val thankyou for your concern, i am fully aware of the size of the litters and the breed, luckily if i do decide to let my bitch whelp it will be with the breeder of my two's  help as well as an aunt who has many years whelping exp.
however im not saying that i am going to keep them, just that if i do then i will have help, and advice.
lou

I'm really glad that you have your breeder for back up!!  She'll hopefully know the lines behind your two and will be able to help you make your decision!! :D

Many years ago my rescue GSD got caught from a dog. The kennels that we got her from said she had been spayed while in their care. Well I wasnt so sure as she was having seasons. I took her straight to the vets for the 'morning after injection' and she suffered absolutely no side effects at all. She was later spayed. As Jellybean said missed terminations can happen as in people but thats maybe why they give 2 injection now instead of 1. Hope things work out well, good luck.

kat

Louise ,

Did I imagine things or was there a post here where you mentioned endorsements? Sorry if there wasn't and I am having a mad moment.

My comment was not meant in a mean way, I was just thinking that the time that passed between the mating and the posting was quite long and the vet could have gotten to..  It appeared to me that you did a bit of thinking about how you would cope etc. If it was me I would have been at the vets right away.

I know for a fact that to make the decision to get the injection now would and will be far easier that at 4 weeks when if puppies are confirmed you know they are there.

Tough one I guess.

My girl had the morning after injection, after the Heinz 57 got her when she escaped.  Other than restarting her season all over, she didn't have any side effects.  In fact two years later she went on to have a healthy litter of 4 pups.

Think long and hard about having a litter, and all the problems that could occur, my first litter the bitch went down with eclampsia, our vet bill over one weekend came to £1300.00!!

when my bitch had to have it done she had to have 2 the first on day 3 and the second on day 5 and it cost me about £23 for both (as my vet is nice ad only charged for the jads and not seeing her)

really wish  it just had not happened ,however i cant just shove it under the carpet and can only go on what ive been told by freinds as well as veterinary practice.
i no im fully responsible for my pets however this is not my first bitch and i really did not see this coming or there is no way they would have been put out together.
lou

I cannot undertstand why your vet is saying the timeing is wrong I had an accidental mating when a bitch managed to jump out of a window to get to the dog and I rang my vet who said to leave it 24 hours, then get her injected (its only a large hormone dose) and so I did exactly that without any problems. I know there are other types of injections that require two jabs....but find it odd your vet is so unhelpful.

Gwen , Sam, anyone  :-)

Surely if it is only a couple hours past the 24 hours it would be fine to give the injection.??.

A far greater risk aborting and spaying in 4 weeks time.

well that would be true but it happened at about 5am sunday morning blue.
as for the comments about the endorsments i was merely making a point that if i did decide to let the litter go ahead if she is indeed in whelp (all hyperthetical) then i would place endorsments as it was an unplanned litter so buyers were fully aware .
the reason i stated what i did is because you wrote about me that you thought i was glad and may have even planned it this is not constuctive advice or even helpfull and has absolutely no bearing  it was a assumption of me.
lou

Louise,

I was just about to say " I never did say you meant it" but I went back and re read my post I see how you interpretated it.. :-)  I meant that maybe it was meant as in " nature" has a funny way of doing things as in Nature meant it. for whatever reason.  do you get my drift. ?

And when I said you may be glad now is that once nature has taken its's course you are not too unhappy with the idea. You delay in actions and questioning the fact that it can be terminated safely when I think it is obvious to do it later would be a far  far greater once made me think you may not that unhappy.  I again stress I wasn't being mean.   Do you see where I am coming from?

What I would say is that one bit of constructive advice I will give you is listen to what everone has said and believe them that the pregnancy can be stopped.. contact another vet if that is what you wish.

so sorry i thought you was making an assumption please accept my apologies.
I am going to end the whelp im going to get het spayed as soon as her season ends, so that the risk will be less great than at week4. i feel this is going to be the best course of action now as im going to get her spayed anyway and just to be double sure ive also decided to get my dog done as well so there is 100% no way this can ever happen again unless im in complete control of the situation and that it has been planned properly.
thanks lou.

I must say that I thought it was up to 3 days for the injection, but I don't have the latest information and things do change, so I didn't comment on that bit. :(  It may be another option louise to ring another Vet and ask their opinion.  Different Vets use different drugs which have different applications.

thanks for your concern have contacted two same thing, however i can get her spayed as soon as her season ends.
lou

I am having trouble following this, as posts appear to be popping up in all sorts of orders, but if I have it right the bitch was mated on Sunday morning, and yet on Monday your Vet has told you that it is too late to opt for a mis-mate injection (mis mating being an unplanned, unwanted, or unwise mating, nothing to do with a slip) because more than exactly 24 hours has passed?  You are therefore considering speying at the end of the season, or when the season would end if she was having an ordinary one rather than a silent season, so in about 1 weeks time (I guess)?  This is, in my opinion, absolutely potty!!!!  Most vets are happy to use the injection which can be given up to 3 days after the mating (bear in mind conception can take up to 48 hours anyway), some use a system following this up with another injection 2 days later.  I have NEVER heard of a Vet saying exactlly 24 hours is the deadline!  The risks and costs associated with the injection are so much less than those with the spey/termination, why are you considering this option when the other simpler route should still be open?  Please consider re-contacting your vet, and possibly another vet too!  Perhaps there has been some misunderstanding with the information given between you and your vet?  By all means go ahead with the spey later, at a time which gives optimum results and minimum risks for your bitch are indicated.
bye
Gwen

I just asked at my vets as was calling to book an appointment anyway out of curiousity.

They said anytime up to 3 days and then 24-48 hours later also..

yes but im going to get her spayed anyway now so thats why im doing it at the end of her season, and the risks involved are a lot less severe than at week 4 and not that much greater than at a normal stage if i do it then.
sorry haven't replied for a little while as ive just been walking the dog , i also notice that posts keep changing position is this a common thing or could there be something wrong with my pc , how do i contact admin to find out please.

It sounds like Louise's vet is giving her duff information.

how do you mean "duff" infomation,   i can only go on what i am told correct?
surely then i am doing the right thing by getting her spayed sooner rather than later(about 1 week).

What I mean by duff information is your vet telling you that it is now too late for the mismate injection, when other vets say it is administered at 3 and 5 days post-mating. That's all.

right just spoke to the vet, as i got all upset and annoyed as i thought they were indeed stringing me along...
the reason they dont feel the injection is appropriate is because i could not honestly tell them that my dogs have not been mating for 4 or even 5 day previous to this , the reason i cant tell them this is because i had no clue she was having a silent season(think thats what you call it the first sign was when i caught them tyed and that was only because i re opened the door to let in some air) This is why the vet feels she can not carry out the injection as i cant confirm that they have not previously tyed?
I feel alot better now i know the reason and hope that clears a few things up, so the spay is booked for next wednesday.

Point is, there IS an increased risk to the bitch if she is speyed whilst in whlep, even in the earliysh stages.  The ususal best practice is considered to be mid-season (unless thinking has changed, it is a while since I had a bitch speyed).  It is hard to understand why a vet would recomedn this course, when an injection now,  plus the speying at the usual time would significantly decrease the risk?  Of course, there is always the chance that the injection may not work, perhaps this is what your vet is ocnsidering.
bye
Gwen

when i had to have the miss mate for my bitch 5 years ago it was on day 3 and 5 and if your vet dont do that type then see i diffrent 1
i phone my vet the second it was over and a closer 1 and the other vet said she had to have 3 jads 2 days apart starting on the third day

I personally think you should have the morning after injection
even if you are having her spayed later surely to god it is going to be easier for the bitch
after all at the moment they are cells dividing in a few weeks they are going to be small puppies
all this will be draining your bitch in the mean time.
20 or 30 pounds is worth it if your bitch wont suffer.

I cannot believe what I'm reading. Someone who does not want a litter at the present time, finds her bitch tied with her dog, and then faffs about wasting time before seeing a vet to ask what could be done about it.

Then she comes on a message board asking for advice, gets lots of it, ignores it all, and goes her own sweet way anyway.

Louise, I dearly hope that your bitch comes to no harm in all this, it could have been much easier on her.

Dawn R.

I'm afraid if my practice refused to adminster the mismating injection for my bitch, I'd find another practice.  To spay a bitch who's body is "in-whelp" to me is quite a cruel thing to do.  The mismating injection is far less stressful on a bitches body.

I think i may be right in thinking louise planned this mating but finding info out about trying to sell non kc pups... I bet alot of you think the same??? That bitch could easily have the injection if louise wanted her to....I also see that louise gets very defensive of peoples comments on this subject....

This is a tough one, i'm all confused reading it all.....lol  But, going back to what Louise's vet told her about not being able to have the mismate injection. IF the dogs had previously been breeding without her knowledge, then could the mismate injection given so late afterwards cause more harm than good? I know this is irrelevant if the female is going to be spayed after her season anyway, but if Louise decides to carry on with the pregnancy, then maybe the mismate could harm the developing foetuses? I feel for the dog in all of this, but thank god they're the same breed!  Sue.  

Hi,

I have been following this thread with interest.
Does your bitch have endorsements on her papers?is that why you asked about endorsements???
Secondly vets would make more from you by offering to spey than giving the injection.
Vets alot of them are out to make the most possible money.If it was me I would have phoned my vet for advice and got the injection asp.
Hopefully I will never find myself in this position.

Briony:-)

Hi Stephanie 1964,

I'm with you,something  not right here.If a bitch has endorsements and the breeder will not lift them and an accidental mating takes place I wonder???
No question about it the injection would be safer for the bitch.
Briony