Was wondering if anyone could help me with the following.
This morning i awoke as i normally do let my dogs out and put the kettle on i then went to open the back door, as it was quite a warm morning, and to my total shock and horror my dogs were tyed.
This is such a shock as she is a month early with her season has showed no signs of being in season no blood no swelling no interest from my dog around her hind quarters ect.
This would be the first time eighther have been bred and not at all planned and was wondering what the chances of this actually being a successfull mating are.
thank you...lou

Quite likely I would think.  Perhaps a trip to the vet should be a priority in the morning!

thank you for your reply jackie.
However surely the vets wont be able to tell so early

Take her to the vet first thing for the 'morning after' injection. And keep them apart for the next two weeks at least!

Louise by the time anyone can tell it will be far too late to do anything about it!  As Jeangenie says, keep them apart and whip her down to the vet quick smart in the morning!

dont want her to have any injections unless 100% needed.
so wouldnt it be better to wait till she can be palpt, then take it from there.

Your Vet can't palpate until 4 weeks and that's far too late.  As this is an unplanned mating, better to have the morning after injection and get it sorted now.  Your bitch will be at far greater risk if you have no knowledge of mating and whelping.

I could wait and have her palped at 4 weeks then take it from there as it isnt to late, and i think this might be a better option especially if she has not taken.

sorry forgot to say thank you for the replys

>>I could wait and have her palped at 4 weeks then take it from there as it isnt to late, and i think this might be a better option especially if she has not taken. <<

Everyone is telling you it IS TOO late to wait till 4 weeks so it ISN'T a better option unless you are happy to have unplanned puppies. 

blue if you continue reading your see i have taken my dogs to the vet and the injection is a no go as i thought it would be so i now have to wait till week 4 for the palp.

sorry jean English springer spaniels (ESP's) thats the way i word them as i have 2 sorry for the confusion.

Thanks Louise! (it's usually shortened to ESS, though! ;) )

lol yes i know jean but becuase they are both ESS i use the term ESP's as plural as it looks better than ESS's just me being awkward lol.

thanks for letting me know that jean i suppose once she is out of season i wouldnt have to wait the full 4 weeks if i did not wish to i could have her spayed soon after the end of her season.

You either have the morning after injection, or wait till 4 weeks and if in whelp have her spayed .  I think I would go for the injection!

No, because then it would be too late to do anything about the mismating - if she was pregnant you would have to go ahead with the litter or take the drastic step of having her speyed, which would abort the pups, of course, but would have many, many more health risks than the "morning after" injection.
bye
Gwen

Louise, please don't risk it.  Even if you are thinking of having a litter at some time in the future, it will be better if you plan it rather than "seeing what happens".  The mismate injection is an easy effective way of dealing with a mistake like this.  There is no guarantee that the vet will be able to feel pups at 4 weeks and what do you have to gain by waiting that long? 

It,s not that i have to gain anything... Just havent made up my mind whats for the best 100%
There is always the option of keeping the pups if indeed she has taken, i would get help and support for the whelping ect, and if she has taken and i decide that it shouldn,t go ahead i could all though i know many dont beleive in it have her spayed.
thanks lou

The risk of speying an in whelp bitch is much greater due to the increased blood supply to the uterus.  It is normally only carried out in case of emergency and certain not to be recommended.
I'm sorry to be blunt, but if you didn't even know that your bitch was in season, then I really don't think you have the knowledge to help your bitch with whelping! :(

i do normally know when my bitch is in season thats how i knew it wasnt for another month?? this bewilders me as she is normally like clock work? with every obvious sign under the sun, i even have it marked in my calender. this is not my first bitch however like i said it wasnt planned and i have never had a bitch who has whelped my-self.
Just trying to work out whats for the best, for all concerned.

I'm sorry Louise, I don't want to preach at you but... I don't think having a litter of puppies is somthing you do on the spur of the moment just because your dog got mated accidently, that's one reason there are so many unwanted dogs in rescue kennels. You don't say what breed your dog is, but have you considered all the implications? Huge vets bills if there is a problem? Maybe 9-10 puppies which you are unable to sell because they are dogs and every one wants bitches? The betting is your bitch is in whelp :-( thats how it goes with accidental matings..sods law!! I would think hard If I was you and be waiting outside the vets in the morning. :-)

my dog and bitch are both ESP,s and  i will think long and hard about my decision, however i presume that i only have a limited time in which to do this, im fully aware of cost implications ect,(except the costs of the termination injection) as have never had to think about having this done before now, so thats why i asked if anyone knew of a ruff cost for this and i dont think any one is preaching at me as i can see where you are all coming from, and appreciate what your saying however the ultimate desicion does end up being mine.
thanks lou

can anyone reply to how long i have please as is therea time limit 24 hr,s ect

hi Louise

if you have the miss mate jad you have to have it done on the 3 and 5 day aftwards and your bitch will be in season for longer as this jad makes the season start again.
and it cost about £10 per jad (thats here in Wales)
if you decided to keep the pup's then i hope that you dog and bitch has had the health test done for your breed
hope this helps

well like i said spoken to my vet its a no go with the jab they have, definatley was not a miss mating (do you mean slip mating) was a full tye and lasted full 25 mins.

I thought a mis mating was an unplanned mating, and a slip mating was what the event was called in the event of no tie........  But then I don't breed for a very good reason.......

you are probably right digger. i asked her if she ment slip because i wasnt sure if she was implying that had i actually seen them ty wich was why i wrote back stating the yes part .

I'm in the middle of a senior moment - what are ESPs? (my Extra-Sensory Perception has let me down!) :o

:-(

apart from the injection and spaying is there any other possible tests like a blood test to determine if she did take or not , they are seperated now so there will be no repeat performance but the tye was a correct one so the chances of her are quite high i would presume.
Has anyone here had the injection if so how did you find it was there any side affects ect...
and how much does the injection cost ..is it just one or several and when is the latest time it can be administered
Any help about this is much appreciated thank you lou.

It is just the one injection and not very expensive. :-) I think the  blood tests is a no..it would all take too long.

Your vet should be able to better advise you on any side effects, I would think.

I can imagine what a dilemma you're in and I don't admire your situation a bit!

Good luck in whatever you decide :)

thank you bennyboo i think it will be best all around for the injection to take place, its not that im afraid of the money that could be spent or the time and effort, more that im afraid of perhaps how many things could go wrong as it wasnt planned as i have always dreamed of mating one day but not today, maybe not even with this bitch, i know they say everything happens for a reason and it will be very hard for me to get any treatment knowing full well there is a chance she has taken and that there they are little lifes im getting rid of but i dont see much other choice i must admit, i just wanted to no about the time elimate as if its a 24hr only injection i wont get her ther in time well not unless the vets open at 5 am that is.

i take it the people who have actually advised me to get the injection dont know anything about the possible side affects or the time scale in which i need to get it done then as no one has replied.

HI Louise,
                       When we were young with dogs...eg just starting :) one of our Bitches was court when we wasn't home,  a Friend said she saw a Dog jump the fence.. We took our Bitch to the Vets and she had the injection.. I thought everything was fine after that... She had no signs, no effect what so ever.. I thought wow that's ok... Well little did I know later down the track she started to have contractions,  I thought "No this couldn't be possible"... She had to be taken to the vets at three in the morning and the vet helped her have her Pups,  she had one.  A Boy a Big boy..  She was a Staffy,  and I think the Dog was a Blue Healer... The pup didn't live very long,  only a few hours.  Through complication she had to have a hysterectomy..... So I am up in arms what would be the best thing to do,  maybe the Morning after Injections are better now...  Just do as your Heart tells you to do...  In my Opinion you are the only one who knows your Dog,  and what is best for Her..:)... Good Luck I hope every thing is Fine....

Hi Louise
My afghan Jenny had an unplanned  mateing many years ago (23)  when she was 2, she lived to the grand old age of 13, and she had no side affects at all, hope this puts your mind at ease about the injection

best wishes
kate, and my daft ESS  william ( who is a rescue )

louise, I'm not sure what country you're in but when you posted "i take it the people who have actually advised me to get the injection dont know anything about the possible side affects or the time scale in which i need to get it done then as no one has replied. it was nearly midnight and we're not all sitting on our computers at that time!!;)
Your Vet is the person to speak to about side effects because different manufacturers give different advice, but IMO the risk of an unplanned pregnancy is greater.
My other concern is homing ESP puppies.  They can have large litters and although loved by enthusiasts, Joe Public wouldn't know what one was and so unless you are involved with a breed club or work your dogs, homing them will not be easy.  And unless you have facilities set up, (or even if you have!) being left with 6 puppies at 12 weeks old is no fun, just plain hard work and impossible to give all the individual attention that they deserve.
You have asked for advice and every person who has replied has said the same thing.  If it's not what you want to hear, then I'm sorry.

Sorry Louise, as Val pointed out your last post was very late most of us went to bed. The injection has to be carried out within 24 hours,  it starts the season all over again and does carry a slight risk of Pyo which is thought to be hormone related, if you were aware of this you would be prepared. I guess you left  it  too late to seek advice anyway on the 24 hr.  The other option is spaying, a good idea if this is likely to happen again. I would talk to your vet anyway.
Jellybean could there be a chance your bitch had already been mated some days before when you had the injection..if she had it would not work,likewise could she have been mated afterwards? The injection is pretty reliable though vets dont like to use anything that messes around with the hormone balance. Yes I know of two people who used it with no problems.
Best wishes. :-)

The injection costs around £40 but she has to have 2 injections afew days apart, my sons lab had a miss mating to a Collie so she had the injections and she is fine...

Hi Stephanie, I am sure it used to be only one injection, but it has been some time ago.. last time was when I took a neighbour whos bitch slipped out when the builders opened the wrong door.£40 does not sound too bad..it costs £20 to walk through the doors at my vets :-)
Louise it must be very upsetting for you, I hope everything goes alright, let us know won't you,
Good luck. :-)

Hi reddoor, things must have changed then as my sons bitch was done a couple of weeks ago, i do know it cost around £40 for the 2 as i asked about it as my sons lab is only just a year old so thought it best to get it done ASAP but not sure if he was charged a consultation fee. And to louise your bitch could still have an injection that can abort the whelps, but  depending how many weeks she was she could go through a labour....

thank you for all the replys... to val i hope you didnt take my writing in the wrong context last night it is hard to put the apperance of what you say on to a computer and can come across in the wrong context, i simply ment that could anyone help me as it seemed like those who had advised couldn,t tell me of any affects, ie... i was simply asking if there was any side affects as i could not find anything on the net about it, so im sorry if anyone got hold of the wrong end of the stick.
i went to my practice first thing thismorning and the injection is a no go due to the time element, however i had a good chat with the vet, and my bitch has been booked in for a palp at week 4 to see if she can pick up on anything,
I have talked all the options through with her and she is quite confident that although at week 4 it carries a slightly higher risk a spay is quite possible, if that is what i decide , although she did not try to railroad me into any such decision and said when i go for the palp we will discuss my decision then.
thankyou all for the replies and once again i apologize if i appeared to come across rude as this was not my intention.
lou

No problem louise.  That's why I put a smiley wink ;) at the end of my comment.  It's supposed to put some sort of emotion into the written word!!
Your Vet really was the best person to advise you.  You can now make your decision as to what is required to safely whelp and rear a litter and hopefully in the next 4 weeks try to talk to people who really understand the bloodlines behind your dog and bitch to try and predict what quality this mating will possibly produce.  A bit ar*e about face, I know, but just producing pedigree pups IF there are serious defects behind both dog and bitch wouldn't be a good idea!!

thanks for the reply val.
both dogs are fit and healthy and have no known defects.
however my bitch has not had a course of antibiotics obviously because i was not intendind to breed her my vet did not seem to concerned about this at the present time..however i am.
there blood lines im not sure about i will have to sit down with jackie and go through it all with her as to better understand them..... again something that i would have done if i was planning it.
I just feel really guilty but ill feel guilty what ever i do now (IE) spay or whelp and i feel useless,
if i do whelp all the pups would be endorsed.
Just hard trying to decide whats for the best i didnt get a wink of sleep for worry last night, love both my beautiful dogs with all my heart and just want whats best.

does a bitches season stop if she did indeed take as she must still be in season because my dog is now showing all the signs that she is panting groaning running around, could this mean she did not take, or does it bare no relevance.
lou

No, your bitch will still be willing to mate whether or not she has conceived from the last mating. The dog will be also! She will remain in season for the normal length of time - maybe a day or two less.

Exactly Reddoor the advice should have been sought from the vet in the first place but that is just my opinion. I know it can be hard to decide sometimes on best course of action but the vet is the first point of call even just on the phone.

I don't mean this in a nasty way but sounds like you may be happy about this Louise, m\ybe it was meant.  Not sure though and not sure why if that is the case.

Puppies from accidental matings may be hard to find homes from, but maybe not.     Most puppy hunters are getting more educated and are learning what to look for in a litter.

Hope all goes well for you whatever happens.

well blue i dont really care if you think im happy or not thats your own oppinion and i dont know why you would say such a thing to be honest,

Hi  reddoor, that wouldn't of been possible as that was the only day I left her alone, the days before she spent her time in side only going out for bathroom brakes and I was with her....I asked the Vet and they said its just one of the things that can happen, nothing is 100% prof.....But she was fine after a few months it was had for her as she was looking for her baby, but that is understandable....Thank you any way's