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- By Guest [gb] Date 17.02.04 18:45 UTC
Searching for any breeders who have poodle cross pups/dogs or cockapoo pups/dogs. We have seen the Cockapoo breed in the USA but cannot find anyone in the UK [as yet] who breeds/owns these dogs.

Please contact at: i.vickery@ntlworld.com
- By Jeangenie [gb] Date 17.02.04 19:27 UTC
Have you checked out your nearest Dog Trust (used to be NCDL) centre? There are usually very many attractive crossbreeds in rescue. Which is usually why reputable people don't breed them on purpose ...
- By Poodlebabe [gb] Date 17.02.04 20:55 UTC
The cockapoo is not, as yet, a standardised breed and is currently in it's infancy. Most 'breeders' only do first crosses and are therefore breeding to supply demand rather than breeding with a clear aim in sight.
Can I ask why you want a cockapoo? If you are looking for a non-shedding breed then just go for a poodle. You don't have to have them cut like you see them and can keep them hairy all over if you wish and most people would be none the wiser as to what it is!
Poodles are happy adaptable beautiful souls (biased I know) and very people orientated and make excellent companions.

Jesse
- By gwen [gb] Date 17.02.04 22:20 UTC
The cockerpoo/cockapoo is usually a cross of the American cocker and the Poodle (of various sizes)  as these breeds share some common hereditary problems, and few, if any Cockerpoo breeder health test (usually with the excuse of "hybrid vigour/no known problem in the 'breed') it is entirely possible , indeed probable, that quite a percentage of the pups will suffer from some sort of health defect. 

As Poodlebabe has said, as they are not a breed, but usually the result of a mating between the 2 breeds, there is no consistency of type.  Any pup in any litter could look like either of the parents.  So you may get something delightfully curly which sheds like and American cocker, or something as hairy as an American, but which hardly sheds (so knots up a lot!)  Buying one or other of the parent breeds, you have a fairly good idea of what you pup will look like in adult hood, ,and what size it will turn out to be. With a crossbred puppy you dont know any of these things.   There are often poodle crosses in the rescue kennels, if your heart is set on a cross why not give one of these dogs a much needed home, and dont line the pockets of the uncaring puppy farmer foisting this "breed" upon a naive public.
bye
Gwen
- By maxisleepi [gb] Date 17.02.04 22:08 UTC
look for pankington kennels on any search engine they breed what you are looking for
- By John [gb] Date 17.02.04 22:35 UTC
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- By Rosemarie [gb] Date 17.02.04 22:56 UTC
Just had a look at the site.  They sell pups of four breeds of dogs (poodle, cocker, yorkie, westie) which they then cross to make three other 'breeds'.  :-(
- By Poodlebabe [gb] Date 17.02.04 23:03 UTC
They don't test either so would steer clear of them for pure breds as well as crosses!!

Jesse
- By gwen [gb] Date 17.02.04 23:06 UTC
That kennel came up in a another discussion, very recently, when someone was pushing the fact they were reputable becsause they had taken part in drug company research for canine herpes!  Anyone any idea if the personal resume of the owner (KC judge, etc) is accurate, and if so what do they judge?
bye
Gwen
- By JaneS (Moderator) Date 18.02.04 10:08 UTC
She's not listed for her area on the Animal Care College's Judging List (those who have passed the Judging Diploma) which is on their website ;-) To my knowledge, she doesn't judge Cockers at any level - no idea about the other breeds.
- By Fillis Date 18.02.04 11:16 UTC
maxisleepi...do you think its responsible to give out the site of someone who purposely breeds mongrels?
- By maxisleepi [gb] Date 18.02.04 19:04 UTC
they asked, i replied
- By Poodlebabe [gb] Date 18.02.04 19:17 UTC
Yes but a moral duty comes into it as well. How would you like it if I referred you to a place that basically provided potentially shoddy goods?

Jesse
- By Fillis Date 19.02.04 12:06 UTC
It is not compulsory to reply. You also, presumably researched that reply with the knowledge that the guest was looking for a purposely cross bred dog which usually only come from questionable breeders.
- By gwen [gb] Date 19.02.04 12:46 UTC
Bearing in mind we are all permitted to express our own opinions. I hope the original poster has picked up form the number of responses against deliberate cross breeding to Maxisleeps 1, that the majority of posters on this forum are NOT in favour of deliberately breeding mongrels.  People often ask questions about buying,  breeding, studding etc, etc, which could be answered with a quick reference in the direction of a puppy farm,  the fact that you CAN mate any time after a first season (but should not), and other such  answers.  However, most of us take time to give a reply which is hopefully in the direction of good, ethical breeding/dog practice.    But, what all enquirers here should be aware of is that each answer is just that persons opinion, and some people think very differently to others.

I take it Maxisleep, that your comment on the other subject where this kennel was discussed that you now considered her to be a "vile puppy farmer" (or words to that effect) have now been withdrawn, as you are advocating her as a suitable place to purchase o dog?
bye
Gwen
- By maxisleepi [gb] Date 19.02.04 21:13 UTC
as i said they asked for a breeder of those crosses i replied i have not said go and buy one of these dogs or that i agree or that she is reputable as i don't know. If peeple are seriously looking to buy a xbreed then they only have to put cockerpoo or labradoodle into a search engine and several breeders will come up anyway and you've given all the advice about don't buy but it is upto each individual to make an informed choice based on all information and not just the negative opinions. Also i'm sorry but on the good breeders front i had a lady on the phone today who has mated her lab bitch at the weekend(she's had all the ness tests done) and then she came on and said can she pay weekly for the ultrasound scan of the bitch at 4 weeks to see if its pregnant(its £20) she hasn't got a whelping box, didn't know how long bitch was pregnant for, if she needed the vet present at the birth.....basically didn't have a clue but oh yes she'd had all the relevent health checks done on the bitch so that makes her reputable does it????????????
- By Jeangenie [gb] Date 19.02.04 21:19 UTC
I can see your point, maxisleepi, but I think rather than just say "Try XXXX" you should also make it very clear to the person that you are not recommending that breeder, that they must make sure relevant breed-related health checks have been carried out (and passed!) on both parents etc etc. Just telling them a name implies (whether you meant it to or not) a recommendation.

Just my opinion.
:)
- By John [gb] Date 19.02.04 21:29 UTC
<<look for pankington kennels on any search engine they breed what you are looking for >>

I read that Maxisleepi as a recommendation, hence my post underneath. To me we have quite enough cowboys in dogs without giving recommendations to irresponsible breeders.

John
- By maxisleepi [gb] Date 19.02.04 21:43 UTC
ok i'll remember that in future. You are all very knowledgable on here so you seem to know all the right things to tell people, and you all have such patience.
- By gwen [gb] Date 19.02.04 23:50 UTC
No Maxisleep, just because she has had relevant health tests done does not, as a stand alone fact, make her a good breeder as yoyu point out and as I am sure everyone else here will agree.  As we keep telling people, many things go towards being able to recomend someone as a good breeder, one of them is certainly health tests, but you have to have the rest of the 'ingredients'too.  However, conversely, not having health tests done almost certainly is an indication that someone is NOT a good breeder.
bye
Gwen
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