<<<<And theres sod all i can do about it>>>
well , maybe a phonecall or two ???

funnily enough - the calls came from withheld numbers............

Unfortunatley as with everything in life, the wrong sort of people always find a way round things that are shady, sickening and down right illegal, and this too saddens me and makes me sick to the stomach to think of what these poor dogs are being bred for and subjected to. I have a 12mth rescue staffy cross and he has such a sweet nature, and gets on with everyone and everything, especially our 3yr old rescue gsd/boxer/lurcher cross thing. Both these dogs were originally strays and in a dreadfull state when they were picked up and thats another thing that grates on me emencely, this throw away society which includes animals(of any kind)!!!!!  

Whats wrong with the irish staff type dog. Do you prefer the smaller fatter version who often damages his leg and twists his knee? When the Victorian bull dog and Olde Style Bulldogs were bred no one complained they have longer legs and more powerful jaws. This version of staff can run fast and can jump without injury hes also so much more healthier.
There are dog fights going on but who says that these fights arent done using aggressive Rottweilers, German Shepards, Dobermans and especially Japanese Akitas also known commonly as "Japanese Fighting Dogs". Infact they are usually done using cheap priced mongrels commonly German Shepard/ Rottweiler hybrids in bham. What kind of persons going to spend 500 - 2000 pounds on an irish staff he uses to fight?
Visit a developing country such as India and then you realise what animal cruelty is. There humans arent even treated how we treat our dogs and dogs arent even  treated how we treat our dog mess. We dont go around beating up dog shit with sticks for no reason. Dog fighting is cruel and I dont support it in anyway. BUT WHAT YOU DONT SEEM TO GET IS PITBULLS WERNT BANNED BEACUSE THERE SAVAGES AND ATTACK RANDOM PEOPLE OR BECAUSE OF DOG FIGHTS they were banned as they were commonly used to gurad drug dealers properties in Birmingham, Manchester and London. Police found this irritating as there german shepards were no match and decided to ban pit bulls. Simple As.

ROTTWEILERS ATTACK MORE HUMANS THAN ANY OTHER BREED OF DOG IN THE UK. EVEN DURING THE PIT BULLS DAYS.

Actually "staffowner"you are way off the mark, the most common breed in the Uk is the labrador & when the GSD was the evil dog in the 60's a survey was done of dog bite reports to the authorities

Top of the list was labradors or labrador type dogs ie short coated yellow/black dogs

Locally a young girl has just been attacked by a "staffordshire"type terrier.

There's a local Labrador that attacks anything it sees & a Rottweiler that rolls on his back for his tummy to be tickled when you talk to him

One of my Cavaliers has a Staffy girlfriend & Staffy boyfriend

It's not the dogs that are the problem its the owners

We had a local dog fighting ring & ALL the dogs found were staffy types they were in the middle of a fight when the pit was raided(in the grounds of a local stately type home)

& GSDs were never used against the drug dealer's dogs(which were more BAND dogs that PBT anyway)the dealers dogs were set on the policemen not the dogs(most drug units use labs & springers anyway)It was not unusual for the poor dogs to be shot it they attacked

Research in the US shows that, as you'd expect, some breeds are much more likely to bite than others. Most likely are German Shepherds, Chow Chow, Rottweiler,and Akita. Pit Bull Terrier (banned in uk),also Husky, Doberman and Great Dane. Take any fighting breed as a risk. Nearly all the common breeds feature somewhere among biters, including Labrador, Collie, Spaniel, Golden Retriever and Poodle.

Sorry not GSD's etc It is actually small breeds that bite more but the bites are not as serious so many do not get reported & in the UK it is the dogs of unknown parentage but that resemble breeds that are currently the worse. Don't believe what you read in the papers one "reportedly"GSD attack was in fact a prick eared rough collie not much difference

& of course the worse animal for bites is the Human animal a human bite is the most dangerous from an infection point than any other

Hi
I did not say my dog looked like a rottweiller I said it was the size of  a small one. I think some people have miss read my statement and there is no need to be impolite . I was trying to help.  I do not intend to breed of sell dogs I just wanted a family pet.
http://www.sbtfun.com/Shop_Books_English_Irish_SBT.html  and maybe you  need to buy a book and  get some true facts about the subject .

http://www.igorilla.com/gorilla/animal/2002/pit_bull_trade_england.html

Dnt read too much into it. Most of these sites are controversial and opinions vary. Look at the facts you have a family pet who you love wether he/she is pit bull or not. Keep him/her on a lead in all public areas and aslong as he/she doesnt attack anyone your fine. The police has got much bigger problems to deal with than judging wether a dogs pit bull or irish staff. The police actually came down my house when my car got stolen and loved my dog. They were stroking him and playing with him. They commented and sed that he should be a police dog he was acting so good! They seemed more interested than the dog than the crime lol. Dnt worry about it and dnt listen to ANYONE else. Most people on this board talk shit coz dey dnt know nuthing.

<<<Most people on this board talk shit coz dey dnt know nuthing. >>>>

So have you come on to educate us then ? If so please learn to spell first

Staffymad, there is no such official body as the "United National Kennel Club". 

Where abouts are the DLRC based?

they too are based in Manchester! Do you think there could possibly be a connection?

Reading this forum makes me angry. All you go on about is dog fighting. The club in manchester does exist and if anyone wants address etc they can reply to this thread. They are genuinely very nice people and they pick up the fone evrytime. They hardly rinse you and make money out of you. They charge 15 pounds in which you get a high quality certificate which has been stamped, printed on expensive thick paper and sent by recorded delivery. You get a pedigree certificate so atleast you know who your dogs ancestors are as the breed has just recently started to come back (its been around since the late 19th century). With this ceifictae you can enter events such as weight pulling and general dog shows. They only register dogs that arent recognised by the UKKC who really do rinse you (such as American Bulldog, Irish Staff etc). Ive got a Blue Irish Staffy and hes the nicest dog you can have. Hes very athletic, got the perfect build and a very good looking face and all the characteristics of a normal staff with an exceedingly excellent temperment - he just wants love off evryone and anyone. Hes better with strangers than he is with us. With other dogs he gets so excited its unbelieveable and goes down straight away so the other dog knows that he just wants to play. The minute he sees a dog getting aggressive towards him he backs off and stops paying attention. I dont think any dog like this could be used for fighting hes just too playfull! You can tell hes been bred for looks rather than the illegal dog fighting this board doesn't ever seem to shut up about and stop pointing fingers at very nice  and genuine people.

Who is said Irish SBTs werent nice ? all the ones I know are !
As for this registration picking up the phone and answering queries etc - i would too if I was getting paid for basically nothing .
Where is the proof that dogs in the pedigree ARE actually in the pedigree????

Have you posted on here before as certain things you mention remind me of someone else ?

And like Staffys arent gorgeous, lovable and soppy and no one uses then for fighting either ? :rolleyes:
Get real !!!

I am aware there is dog fighting going on aorund the country but this could be happening in back yards or at the back of a warehouse etc. Why point the finger at anyone who is actually trying to refine the breed. Ever since i first bought the dog 6 months ago more and more info is being put onto web sites. Even this borad had no posts about irish staffs back then. I have seen the parents of my dog and I have been in contact with the owners of the grand parents aswell. I have also been in contact with the owners of other dogs who have the same great/&grand parents etc. How can you even be sure that the UKKC pedigrees are pure aslong as there is no DNA standard (probz never will be) for each dog breed you'll never know if you have a pure breed. I personally dont look at a dog and think pure breed-not pure breed. I look at the temperment and also wether its good looking or not. There are some very little ugly aggressive staffs out there (supposedly UKKC registered)!

P.S I personally dont think 15 pound is anything for the work the guy is putting into events and registering hes just gtrying to refine the breed etc Many Irish Staff breeder arounds the mersey side area know him and recommend him greatly + irish staffs GENERALLY are about the same size as a small rottweiler NO ONE SED THEY LOOK THE SAME ur all jus interested in twisting each others words.

a male rottie should be between 25-27 inches at the withers--so at the smallest end youve got 25 inches. ---- and your dog is that size    :rolleyes:

ok, firstly - no ISBT is anywhere near the size of a rottie although if put next to an ordinary staff (as with staffymad) it would be easy to think they were.

the sad fact is that Irish staffs are favoured by the fighting set because they posess tanacity (sp) and have a high pain threashold. Saying that, the majority are Pit/mastif crosses etc.

There is more info now appearing on websites but trolls like you are doing nothing to promote the breed - far from it. Please either look more into what your talking about or just shut up. Im really getting sick of half brained idiots shouting their mouths off just to try and cause an argument because they think it makes them look clever.

ps. Staffy_owner in talking to you.........

Andy

I believe the ukc was set up to register certain breeds and run competitions such as weight pulling etc.I was approached at an exemption show and asked to register my staffy with them because he was 19'' tall and very athletic.
Archer