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Topic Dog Boards / General / I think I've been 'Gazumped'
- By MamaBas [gb] Date 05.07.20 16:57 UTC
I have been looking for either an older Whippet, or a Basset.  This morning I noticed two ex-breeding Basset bitches, one of 4 and another, much more my type, at 6 years with Many Tears.  Having given some thought to this, I went back onto Many Tears this afternoon to find that the one I preferred, Harriet (we had a Harriet in the past), was already down as Reserved!   How can that be?    I have emailed them to ask about her, and now wait on hearing back from them.   I am (or have been!) a Home Checker for them and had told them I was looking for a Basset, so hoping they'd get onto me if any came in ............ FAT CHANCE of that obviously.

Oh well, clearly 'Harriet' isn't meant to be. :cry:
- By furriefriends Date 05.07.20 17:19 UTC
Oh no I would have thought as home checker past or present you would have been near the front of any queue.
It does seem odd given you also saw another dog and were told he hadnt been vet checked and the next thing you knew he was reserved.
Do they really find it that easy to home their dogs ? Especially as  many are ex breeding bitches which I would expect to need special owners 
and usually another dog in the home.
Btw I am not suggesting this is any reflection on you :)
- By Goldmali Date 05.07.20 20:32 UTC Upvotes 11
I wouldn't describe them as a rescue, more as a reseller of ex puppy farm dogs....... always popular breeds/crossbreeds, those that go easily, whereas all other rescues are inundated with Staffie crosses etc. Googling brings up quite a lot.
- By Goldmali Date 05.07.20 20:44 UTC Upvotes 9
Oh and they are registered as a company, they are not a charity.
- By Gundogs Date 05.07.20 21:00 UTC Upvotes 1
https://www.preloved.co.uk/adverts/show/119969120/beautiful-basset-hound-girl.html?link=%2Fsearch%3Fkeyword%3Dno%2Bfault%26sectionId%3D3359
- By mixedpack [gb] Date 06.07.20 06:41 UTC Upvotes 4
Thank you Goldmali for voicing the things about Many Tears that I have had reservations about for a long time, a friend of mine refers to them as Many Pounds, I never received a reply to my enquiry as to whether they bought the ex-brood bitches and were just re-selling them, not that re-homing bitches is a bad thing but it's where they are coming from that concerns me.
- By MamaBas [gb] Date 06.07.20 07:03 UTC Edited 06.07.20 07:08 UTC Upvotes 1
@ Gundogs.   Thanks for the link but at £500, I don't think she's for me.  The wait goes on.

@ FF - that Beagle is back 'available' on there and I keep looking at him ............ ?  They never bothered to get back with the fact the Reservation had I suppose, fallen through.  Given their latest approach with me, I may well end my current Home-checker status!!    I'd have hoped for better because when I'm asked to go check a home, I drop everything to go do it!!
- By furriefriends Date 06.07.20 07:25 UTC
You would expect better given you work for them .
- By Nikita [gb] Date 06.07.20 07:55 UTC Upvotes 6
Many Tears are a dog shop, no more.  You'll notice on their site that they never have hard to rehome dogs listed.  Only the ones that look cute or will pull on heartstrings.
- By MamaBas [gb] Date 06.07.20 09:32 UTC Upvotes 2

> You would expect better given you work for them .


I heard back from them, a one-liner saying I should fill in a questionnaire.   How to, when the dog in question is now Reserved, beats me.   They have NOT answered my specific questions

I have now written back telling them exactly how I feel about this (and about Jack - Beagle) and saying I will no longer act as a Home-check for them and to take me off their list.   Could be cutting off my nose etc., but I cannot work with people like this.   It doesn't take very long to read an email and answer it fully.

Oh and fwiw, I believe 'a charity' can be a Registered Company.
- By weimed [gb] Date 06.07.20 09:35 UTC Upvotes 2
has a very dubious reputation that place I think you are better off out of it.  far as I can gather just a dog reselling dealer.
- By furriefriends Date 06.07.20 10:08 UTC Upvotes 2
Good on you . I am sure there are good rescues that would be pleased to have your time .
- By BusyDoggs [gb] Date 06.07.20 10:27 UTC
I would look elsewhere. I run a breed rescue and have had terrible issues with this place - it is all about the money. They only accept easy to sell animals - where are all the black mongrels, lurchers and staffies every other rescue has? They pick and choose and only have the desirable types in.
One time when I needed to speak to the owner I was told she was away in Ireland buying puppies .......
- By 91052 [gb] Date 06.07.20 11:08 UTC Upvotes 1
I am really quite shocked at the stuff written here.  Are these things you are saying about Many Tears really true??  I know of people that have adopted from these people and they have nothing but good things to say about them.  They take in really traumatised animals don't they?  They have a standard donation fee which I assume is to cover costs of spaying, food etc etc...  I have had a quick look at the employee reviews and general reviews and consensus appears to be that they are committed and focussed on the dogs and ensuring they go to good homes.  Negative comments seem to relate to the process of getting a dog and in some cases where they want to choose a dog for you rather than the other way round.   I really don't know them but I hope this forum isn't doing them a disservice, on the face of it they seem to be doing a job that is needed and doing it reasonably well.
- By furriefriends Date 06.07.20 11:49 UTC
Many tears has been under close scrutiny for a long time  notj ust for taking / rescuing mainly breeding bitches from what appears from their description not good situations but also about how their finances are arranged .
Truth or fiction it's hard to say from the outside but they certainly seem to evoke questions and negativity far   more often than other similar places
- By JoStockbridge [gb] Date 06.07.20 11:58 UTC
There's a whippet at Evesham greyhound and lurched rescue, saw him on pets4homes in the aboption section. Don't know if any good for you?
- By MamaBas [gb] Date 06.07.20 12:03 UTC Edited 06.07.20 12:07 UTC
"Oh and fwiw, I believe 'a charity' can be a Registered Company. "

Basset Welfare is a registered company.....

@ Jo - Rycroft? .... a Whippet cross and really younger than I was hoping for.   But thanks for the heads up.
- By Jeangenie [gb] Date 06.07.20 12:19 UTC Upvotes 2
"A company can be a charity if it meets the legal requirements required by charity law. This must be clear from the governing document, so if you wish to set up a charitable company you should use the model Memorandum and Articles of Association approved by the Charity Commission" Further information here

It's well-known that MT pay puppy farms, especially in Ireland, for their ex-breeding bitches, thus supporting the puppy farms' business by enabling them to restock.
- By furriefriends Date 06.07.20 12:59 UTC
I've noticed that occasionally greyhound rescues have whippets. Maybe worth keeping an eye out there . Or even perhaps a smaller greyhound would suit :)
- By weimed [gb] Date 06.07.20 14:29 UTC
with MT the issues I have heard about are not about the new homes the dogs go into- its where and how they get into the place.  
good charitable rescues do not pay for animals
- By deeann [gb] Date 06.07.20 15:06 UTC Upvotes 1
You have hit the nail on the head, Jeangenie, when you say this is supporting the puppy farms' business.  Of course it is. It is actually helping and encouraging the puppy farmers.  
I did not realise they actually went over and paid to take these poor dogs.

But looking at the site just now, they do have dogs from all walks of life, not just ex breeding bitches but much younger breeds.  And there are crossbreeds as well. Also cats.  I don't agree with them buying from the puppy farmers (I believe this industry is rife in ireland) but I think they are doing a good job. Well, far better than a dog rescue place not far from me which I would never go near again..but thats another story!
I mean, you can see from their website how hard they must work and all homes are vetted so not just handed over to anyone . I was going to get a spayed bitch from there but could not as my dog has not been neutered. That is not an option which i would consider nor thought necessary but thats just my opinion.
Maybe we should not be too quick to judge. Doesn't the Dogs trust collect greyhounds from Ireland? Maybe encouraging racing?
- By MamaBas [gb] Date 06.07.20 15:42 UTC Edited 06.07.20 15:45 UTC
I can't defend this particular 'rescue set up' IF it's true that they pay for the ex-breeders and I don't know that, but I think some may be a tad quick to point fingers.  

Another way to look at what's going on with the ex-breeding stock they have in there, is rather than encouraging puppy farms/BYBs by removing their ageing breeding stock to make way for younger dogs, might it be that they are getting them out of where they are (rescuing them) so any abuse that's going on (over-breeding) is stopped?   And they are not over-charging for those they home (£250. on average) after all.

They are bringing a lot of street strays back to the UK from Romania and other E.European countries and hopefully placing them in homes where they'll have a far better life?   JMO - as a (ex) Home Checker for them.   My HC experiences with them have been all good - it's just this latest, from a potential adoptee, that I'm not so happy about.

@ Deeann.   Their requirement that any original house pets must be neutered didn't sit well with me either - my old boy was entire to the end of his days and no way would it have been any different.  I don't understand how that is relevant as long as those dogs they home are neutered.   I'm looking around now because Teazel was spayed at a year old.
- By Jeangenie [gb] Date 06.07.20 17:46 UTC

>I was going to get a spayed bitch from there but could not as my dog has not been neutered.


I've heard that before, and there's no logic to it. If the bitch is already spayed she's not going to be bred from again so the gonad situation of other dogs in the household is irrelevant, and it means many excellent homes are being written off.
- By Sleeping_Lion Date 06.07.20 18:43 UTC
There's absolutely no excuse for buying in ex breeding stock to 'rescue', they sell their own ex breeders off anyway, sometimes they even spay them.  Far too many dogs get moved on, and not just by puppy farmers.
- By Lacy Date 06.07.20 20:34 UTC
Jan. As you're still 'thinking' you might take on an older B.H, why don't you try B.R.N.G.B. have seen two looking for homes in recent days & believe have many more in foster.
- By MamaBas [gb] Date 07.07.20 06:54 UTC Upvotes 1
Lacy- I missed the other two, but have indeed just put in an application for the male they, BRNGB have available.   He may be that bit too young for us however.   We'll see.
- By Lacy Date 07.07.20 13:31 UTC
Jan. Good Luck, think I saw 'could be wrong' that they have around 30 in foster, & have only just reopened to take in more.
Topic Dog Boards / General / I think I've been 'Gazumped'

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