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Topic Dog Boards / Health / Laproscopic spay
- By furriefriends Date 21.07.14 09:05 UTC
Has anyone any experience good or bad of the above please?  Does a spay done this way remove both ovary and uterus as in a full spay as I was wondering abut pyo if the uterus was left intact.
Any thoughts would be most helpful thankyou
- By Brainless [gb] Date 21.07.14 10:09 UTC
Only the ovaries are removed when they do this.  I have the same concerns about the uterus staying in.
- By furriefriends Date 21.07.14 10:40 UTC
Just spoken to a vet who does laparoscopic  spays and has done for over 2 years. Apparently if you remove the ovaries the hormones are reduced to such a degree pyo even with the uterus present is unheard of. I have also googled this and it says the same
The reason I am considering this is because of behaviour changes that she is displaying, snapping at strange dogs .she has such few seasons only 2 in 3 years my thoughts are is it hormonal unfortunately I don't know how |I can check this without surgery which is a bit major 
I am not convinced this is the way to go and still researching and investigating other reasons and management.
- By Dill [gb] Date 21.07.14 11:24 UTC
have you checked her eyesight? 

If she isn't seeing things properly or has 'gaps' in her vision, it might explain her behaviour ;-)
- By furriefriends Date 21.07.14 11:46 UTC
can I do it ? or should I ask the vet ?  he did check her over but not her eyes thinking about it or actually her ears . hmmm odd as she had an ear infection last month she doesn't show any signs of a problem  with eyes and atm it seems to be new dogs. NO problems at home still worth checking.
just ti worry me he did miss a split and bloody nail that her groomer found the next morning so he could have missed her eyes.
Think I am becoming hypochondriac over this. :( maybe its a straight forward training issue following something I don't know about that could have happened
- By Dill [gb] Date 21.07.14 13:55 UTC
A vet can only check for obvious things.  A proper check of whether there is a problem with her sight would have to be done by an ophthalmic vet. 

As with us, a GP can only do a cursory check of the eyes, but an Ophthalmic Optician is trained to spot far more things ;-)

>she had an ear infection last month she doesn't show any signs of a problem  with eyes and atm it seems to be new dogs.


How long has she been reacting badly?  Is it possible that it is connected with the ear infection in some way?
- By furriefriends Date 21.07.14 14:24 UTC
Thanks dill, yes I m following up on the ears tomorrow just in case there is still a problem. He has reluctantly done basic thyroid tests and given her the once over but it didn't included eyes as far as I can remember. he wasn't keen on doing thyroid tests as felt it was unlikely that there was a problem as she isnt showing physical signs
WIth the ears it all started around the same time and with the treatment she had a GA and washout followed by another two weeks of meds in her ears twice aday. It is very possible this could be the route of the problem either physically because something is still wrong or just because she knows her ears had hurt her and so has grown wary of being approached. She is fine at home and with dogs she knows atm
Will keep eyes in mind. Unfortunately the ophthalmic vet has left and is working for the pdsa

One of my problems is limited money as the insurance is unlikely to cover all this investigation particularly as the vet thinks all is fine not sure how to manage that.
well its things to look at as well as keeping her on a line and doing some extra work around others
- By Dill [gb] Date 21.07.14 14:43 UTC
It does sound as if ears could be the key, or the culprit.

Are you positive that her ears are no longer painful?   Does she have any hearing loss in either ear? 

If her ears are now fine, it could be association of new dogs with the pain she had for some reason,  who knows what goes on in their heads?
- By bestdogs Date 21.07.14 15:03 UTC
furriefriends, I have just had a bitch spayed for similar reasons. She cycled very irregularly and had gone 15-16 month since last season and had started to get grumpy with other dogs.

I had full thyroid and reproductive hormones tested and thyroid was fine but hormones out of balance, so scanned for signs of ovarian cyst. All clear.

My vet suggested trying Delvosteron for a few months and if she improved, consider spaying. I don't spay, but on this occasion I decided to go with their advice as she was a lot happier after the Delvosteron jab. She is now coming up to three weeks post spay and all seems well.
- By Brainless [gb] Date 21.07.14 16:37 UTC
An eye test with an ophthalmic vet under the BVA scheme has a set price, coming to about £55. 

If you google canine health schemes and click on eye scheme there will be a list of ophthalmic vets.  You can get it cheaper at a group testing session, and I believe there is a  link ton the site o ones coming up.
- By furriefriends Date 22.07.14 07:58 UTC
Thank you wonderful people, lots to go on there.
Vets today am relooking at ears in particular but will also talk about her cycle and if we can do scans. It seems her mother also had strange cycles until she had a litter. Not that I will be doing that s Hoping the vet will back me with the insurance. I guess he needs to be prepared to agree there is a medical issue causing problems in her cycle. Never thought f the bva scheme Brainless, of course. Many thanks ,will keep you posted
- By furriefriends Date 22.07.14 08:45 UTC
To add to my post I have booked  her in for bva eye testing in sept . First one I could get locally and as it turns out a friend is arranging a testing day what luck :)
- By furriefriends Date 22.07.14 11:30 UTC
Talk about stupid, me I mean. Took her back to the vets, she immediately obliged by walking in and shaking her head then scratching her ears. IT seems there is very slight reddening of her ear canals.
This all started around the same time as I noticed her ears were originally not right . Vet has decided to give a steroid injection rather than drops in this instance so I don't have to play around with her ears and then wait an see.
May well have hit on the cause of her behaviour , so for now treat ears, careful introductions to dogs when out and more socialisation classes I think to vary her contacts and give her good experiences so she doesn't get a chance to practice bad behaviour . The good news is she said hello nicely and briefly to a dog at the vet not a murmur.
Now to see how things go before any further investigations
thank you all
- By Jodi Date 22.07.14 11:35 UTC
I had a recent similar experience at the vets with my dog. I took her in for a pre-op examination before a spay and the vet noted her ears were slightly pink and said he would check them when she was under the GA. He was astonished to find her ears were full of wax and she needed to have a good old scrub to clear them. She showed no symptoms whatsoever, ears were clean looking, not smelly, no head shaking or scratching. I felt really awful and guilty when he told me, but there was nothing to show any problems.
- By furriefriends Date 22.07.14 11:44 UTC
I can imagine how you must have felt I would have been the same. The stupid thing is I took her to the vets 2 or 3 months ago because of her ears she had steroid, drops and an ear wash under general. None of which she enjoyed especially as her ears must have been uncomfortable. It was during this time that she started getting a bit snappy with strange dogs. Suddenly 2+2 = 4 !!. Why me and vet who I had been to about behaviour change  and checked her over hadn't thought of this I don't know.
Lets hope it going to be sorted now anyway
- By LucyDogs [gb] Date 22.07.14 15:07 UTC
I had something a bit similar with one of my Cavaliers, no redness or scratching, no funny smell, but she suddenly seemed to have a sore ear in that she was wincing away if I wanted to touch it. I assumed a grass seed but the vet had a good look and said it was an infection, got some eardrops and they do seem to have done the trick. Very difficult to treat these things if the dog won't give symptoms lol!
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