Dill, yes they were rather meek, but at least it was clear how most pups will pursue and latch on to legs, hands and even bodies, given the chance, and these two had each other to burn off steam with.

Oh but terrier pups...little murderers in the making aren't they! I had to help an owner with a terrier pup who really did behave like a furry piranha. The owners arms and legs were in a shocking state, but the pup came good.

>Oh but terrier pups...little murderers in the making aren't they! I had to help an owner with a terrier pup who really did behave like >a furry piranha. The owners arms and legs were in a shocking state, but the pup came good.

LOL  yes,  and some breeds/litters do seem worse than others :-)

I've found with most pups though,   allowing them to get over tired, or over excited, are the worst causes of  'furry crocodile syndrome'       Most people underestimate the amount of sleep a pup needs, and over estimate the amount of stimulation,  resulting in an overwound, over tired pup  :-(        A good calming chew on a tripe stick,  and a couple of hours undisturbed sleep can work wonders :-)

Just like  babies :-)

Yes, in part that was this pup's problem...no off switch. Well actually it was the owner who failed to understand that if the pup was alert and nipping away it was not because they needed yet more stimulation to tire them out.

I probably had an advantage in this with my first dog. 

My daughter was one of those babies/toddlers who would not give in to sleep and get more hand more wound up and wild the more tired she got.

So when I saw the same in the pup I knew to chill things and not allow the pup to get overtired.

I probably had an advantage in this with my first dog. 

My daughter was one of those babies/toddlers who would not give in to sleep and get more hand more wound up and wild the more tired she got.

So when I saw the same in the pup I knew to chill things and not allow the pup to get overtired.

Barbara, I do think they are very similar. We just have to see the puppy pen and crate as the cot and chewies as pacifiers/ bottles or a cuddly toy:)

I'm sorry, I haven't read all the replies to this post but I have found Susan Garret's Crate Games Dvd and self control games great for my bitey pup
Might be worth a look?

Hi no havent seen it can u post the link for me please and thankyou

Hi guys need some advice again please my now 6month bichon seems to have his adult teeth in but is still snapping at our hands feet legs etc we can be sitting down minding our own buisness and he will grab skin quite harshly to then starts barking i thought when teeth were through this would subside we stuck at the no bite putting him away it eased off for a while now hes back all guns blazing is this still puppy behaviour or do youthink maybe something needs to be done its driving mad if hes told no! He runs around barking his head off so we ignore him and leave the room

bit young yet for it to be gone completely, especially as he was very full on to start with.

I had my 14 1/2 year old back from the people I had sold her to at 8 weeks and she was awful at play biting, ragging clothing etc at 8 1/2 months, and I'd say it took to over a year before she would stop when I said no, after implementing the no bite methods.

She probably still initiated this kind of (to her) 'play', and I had to keep reminding her I would not play this way, until she was around two years old.

Thankyou! Appreciate your help

TP, second what Brainless says, just stick with your training, remember that back teeth are still bedding in up to 12 months. His big teeth are new and will feel different to him so he will be learning how to use them, play is one way animals learn and he is trying to get you to play in a way he enjoys and understands- though, for obvious reasons, you definitely don't like this game.

Remember also that dogs live in the moment and for him to learn to control himself in things he wants to do will take time, especially as he is approaching his teenager period, where everything goes haywire anyway.

You could always have your trainer back for a refresher.

Hi i know i have asked before but now we are at 7months old all adult teeth are in he has been neutered and his biting is still going on hard to when told off he will bark and growl we have stuck to the no bite removed from situation consistently still he continues feeling very frustrated now

You believe that removing his testes would stop him biting ? Just the opposite as he will never mature mentally & his behaviour re biting & nipping cannot be stopped without training not to.

I have 2 puppies around the same age(1 emergency foster & 1 adopted rescue)I did the same with both puppies as I have done with all my other dogs-ie no reaction at all to ANY biting/nipping. Both stopped the behaviour within days of arriving here with little or no bite inhibition. I do not remove the puppy from me, but instead remove myself from the puppy-just as the adult dogs do.

You definitely need professional help as otherwise your puppy should be rehomed to an more experienced owner, who would be able to give the 100 % consistency he obviously needs

Sorry if this upsets you.

>You definitely need professional help as otherwise your puppy should be rehomed to an more experienced owner, who would be able to give the 100 % consistency he obviously needs

Amen to that.

What training are you doing with him? (general training, not re the biting) Are you taking him to any classes? Just wondering if a fuller picture would get you better advise. Could you give an idea of his usual daily/weekly routine?

>when told off he will bark and growl

Did you follow 'the bite stops here' that has been linked to several times on your posts? Once again it really does work. Telling him off clearly doesn't as he doesn't understand what you want.

Having had an OTT 8 month old back that was a hard puppy biter, I think 7 months is still early for this puppy as this behaviour had become a habit.

Walking away and then when calm doing some brain work training is the way to go, so he has an alternative way to engage with you.

> You definitely need professional help

Have you had anyone in to help? 

No i didnt have his testes removed to stop biting i did it as i dont want to breed him or want him in tact (my choice)

Sometimes i really wonder why some of us ask for advice on here to be fair as we are told we shouldnt own dogs in certain words from dome people when in fact they dont know us as owners so have no right to say these things! I have a right to be upset when people assume things like having him neutered to stop biting thats rediculous i always have my dogs nuetered to stop the crisis of unwanted pups around the uk as there are far to many irrisponsible owners (im not one) so i would appreciate advice such as brainless gave me instead of assuming my dog deserves to go elsewhere really upsetting feedback to be honest i have been consistant from day one as i stated he is just a mouthy pup it is all in play but he bites way to hard i just wish people on here would advice and not criticise maybe then this site wpuld thrive as i have noticed a few people asking for help told they dont deserve their dogs in my eyes bullying!!!! Forget i asked for your help i will go elsewhere

And clearly some think they are ceaser milan on here to when in fact are just like me a normal dog owner only think they know everything

And clearly some think they are ceaser milan on here to when in fact are just like me a normal dog owner only think they know everything

And clearly some think they are ceaser milan on here to when in fact are just like me a normal dog owner only think they know everything

>And clearly some think they are ceaser milan on here

I don't think anyone on here would want to be likened to that dreadful man!

Hi i know i have asked before but now we are at 7months old all adult teeth are in he has been neutered and his biting is still going on hard to when told off he will bark and growl we have stuck to the no bite removed from situation consistently

Every successfull (to the dog) incident is positive reinforced, there are two reinforced behaviours, positive reinforced behaviours and negative reinforced behaviours, they are both caused by the successful (in the animals perception) outcome of any behaviour. The consistent recurrance by your dog has been contuniously positive reinforced & is positive reinforced behaviour

The only things you can do is either wait until it dies out with age & biting is no longer an intense positive reinforced behaviour to the dog, or, find a way of making the consequence of the behaviour has a negative reinforced outcome, that would lead to extinction of the biting. Most recurrent problem behaviours are positive reinforced behaviours, negative reinforced behaviours are how we control the environment, they are the foundation reinforcer of pleasure seeking & once learned eliminate unsuccessful outcomes (such as my spellin).
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To the original poster:

This is just a group of people who happened to be looking at your post, feel they have an opinion and feel they want to share it.

It is NOT a interview-selected panel of experts..... You take pot luck.

There are people here who have a great deal of experience in a variety of subjects but in the same token ....some with little to none.... but all replies are given.
Just remember ..you wouldn't raise your children by 'committee' so filter the replies.

It is, however, rather ungracious to critisise advice ...you asked for....just because you don't like it.

To the original poster:

This is just a group of people who happened to be looking at your post, feel they have an opinion and feel they want to share it.

It is NOT a interview-selected panel of experts..... You take pot luck.

There are people here who have a great deal of experience in a variety of subjects but in the same token ....some with little to none.... but all replies are given.
Just remember ..you wouldn't raise your children by 'committee' so filter the replies.

It is, however, rather ungracious to critisise advice ...you asked for....just because you don't like it.

The most appropriate post so far.
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> It is, however, rather ungracious to critisise advice ...you asked for....just because you don't like it.

Hear, hear.  Also, telling him off for biting WILL NOT WORK.  It WILL make him do it more, whether through frustration (telling a pup off only tells them what you don't like, not what they should be doing instead) or stress (adding tension to the situation).  Given the problems you've had with him when you try and leave him, my money's on that one.

He's still young, sometimes these dogs can take a long time to come out of this - the lab/springer I started working with at 6 months didn't stop mouthing just like yours is doing until he was well over a year old.  Also like yours he is a very high drive dog.  If stress is a big factor in his life, and biting is one way he releases that (not saying it is but it might me), then it pains me to say it but you may find he gets worse now he's been neutered as the 'backbone' that testosterone can give to some dogs has been removed.  Doesn't happen often, but it can.

Perhaps now is the time to get a decent behaviourist in, not just the trainer that I think you had before (happy to be corrected on that but he did just sound like a trainer, not a behaviourist).  I suspect stress is having an impact on this dog's behaviour, and better to get it identified and dealt with in an appropriate way now, if it is, than later when it's more entrenched.

My young dog, now a year old, occasionally throws tantrums when she doesn't get her own way. She will jump up at me and then grab the lead and pull like mad and growling, quite unlike her normal self. I tried ignoring, but she just wound herself up more. I've found the best thing is to get her to think of something else whether it is a sit, lie down, sit etc until she calms down, or to go seek something such as a ball I've tossed behind me or or a treat chucked into the grass or something like this. I'm trying to change the state of mind that she has got herself in to by giving her something else to think about. Not quite the same as you and your dog, but you may find it will help.

>i always have my dogs nuetered to stop the crisis of unwanted pups around the uk as there are far to many irrisponsible owners

Neutering, especially males and especially when immature has many negatives.

So for responsible owners there is rarely ever a need to neuter a pet male not kept with entire bitches.

Vets and welfare agencies tend to think all owners are idiots who will let their dogs roam willy nilly fathering litters or worse deliberately breed without due care, so they push neutering.

This article study may explain the attitude among experienced owners and breeders against the neuter everything policies some vets and welfare bodies want to see adopted. http://www.naiaonline.org/pdfs/LongTermHealthEffectsOfSpayNeuterInDogs.pdf

For example the USA, encourages wholesale neutering even seeking to make it mandatory, yet have a huge rescue problem.

In Norway and previously Sweden it is actually illegal to neuter except on health grounds, and the Scandinavians have a very low rescue problem, people actually have to apply and wait for a rescue dog to become available.

I'd love to know the difference between the Scandinavian and English speaking populations in relation to dogs. 

i always have my dogs nuetered to stop the crisis of unwanted pups around the uk as there are far to many irrisponsible owners (im not one)

How could your dog possibly produce unwanted puppies if you are responsible?

I have been following this post with interest not least because I have a 13 week old very mouthy puppy. A lot of the tips given were having no results so i re-read everything.

The post Dill submitted on 6.04.14at 18.32 was spot on. My puppy is just not sleeping enough! It may seem ridiculous to liken my recent scenario to yours but she is a real piranha! I am no where near resolving her issues but notice a completely different dog when she has a good sleep an hour after her breakfast for 2-3 hours!

I read that puppies who don't have adequate sleep produce more adrenaline hence are more aggro. Sorry if it seems i am trivialising your issue i can assure you i am not. However sometimes it may be something small which is overlooked. You have my sympathies and best wishes.

I hope you find a solution soon!

That isn't surprising I had similar issues with my first child (will be 27 this year), she needed a good long nap, but fought sleep and was a little monster until she had it.

Early neutering does not solve problems in fact will exacerbate them. I do sympathise with nippy puppies we have them all the time. Have a litter of 5 week olds at the mo who love my slippers, PJs, shoes, toes, but just remove myself from the temptation. Puppies bite, remove them IMO.

> How could your dog possibly produce unwanted puppies if you are responsible?

Indeed!  Willow is not yet spayed, she won't be spayed until she's at least two, possibly three but she sure as heck won't be having any puppies, because I will not let her!

Traceypain

You've asked for A LOT of advice on this thread and your other threads.  And you've been given a lot of advice in return.

And you regularly come back to ask for more advice as you say what you've been advised hasn't worked.

However, you've not really replied to any of the questions about what training in general you do with the pup, or anything else really.

The members of this board aren't clairvoyant, and they aren't miracle workers.  Some of us are very experienced with dogs and puppies and training them, some of us have even had very bolshy, bitey puppies ourselves.  In fact it's a rare puppy that doesn't bite a lot, it's more usually down to an owner who knows how to teach a pup to bite more gently and puts the work in.

A puppy isn't going to be trained in a few weeks or even a few months, some will be trained earlier than others, but then some of these forget just as quickly!   A pup that takes longer to learn something has many more opportunities to learn to get it right and remember it, making for a much more 'solid' dog.

I do think that perhaps it's time you got a behavioiurist in to see what's going on and how the family interact and respond to this pup, simply because the tone of your posts is one of not being able to cope.

I have to say that I have bred Bichons for a considerable time and have never had this problem. Have you tried going back to the breeder? I encourage my puppy buyers to stay in contact and will help out with any problems.

>some think they are ceaser milan on here

Given that you have assumed we agree with his ways of training, you are wrong.  He is not supported by the KC, the RSPCA, the BVA etc.etc.etc.

I don't know of any member who would want to be associated with him.  The advice you have been given has been the best.

Perhaps this will help

> And clearly some think they are ceaser milan on here

Good grief. I sincerely hope you haven't been following any of his advice?