Ok, so I have a dilemma!! The breeder of my young collie has had an accidental mating with my dogs sister....pups are due in around a weeks time! So....do I look or not? This is the bitch he had earmarked for breeding from (subject to heath tests and how she was workwise), stud dog was chosen and I had my name down on the list from the minute he suggested he was going to look at breeding her. So what's putting me off? My lad is only 14 months...maybe too young still to bring in another pup? Obviously the bitch is only that age too...dont know if that could cause problems? Should I wait and hope that she breezes through motherhood and then has a second ( planned) litter? Any thoughts/ opinions would be greatfully received!

I'd seriously question what kind of breeder goes ahead with an accidental mating at just 14 months, when it would have been MUCH better and so easy to have her injected with Alizin and leave the litter until she was older!

Has the bitch had all her health tests done & the dog as well ??

How did he allow an"accidental"mating of such a young bitch(way too young to have a litter for a BC) Why didn't he take veterinary action to terminate the litter ? Sorry but knowing a lot of BC breeders(who have been breeding for many many years)& none of them have had an"accidental"litter & if they had allowed a too young bitch to be mated, would have taken steps to end the pregnancy, especially if all the health tests like hip scoring etc haven't been done

You beat me to it Goldmali

Its a long story and basically he is devastated. He sent the bitch to stay with a close friend (30+ years of friendship) to avoid any accidents between her and her father. She's come back, nothing was said, been trained etc but started to show signs of being in pup last week. Scanned and is apparently due around next week! When he confronted his friend, he admitted that his male sheepdog is the father and is not castrated (which is what he said when he offered to help!) The breeder is now gutted, having lost a good friend, gained puppies he didn't want and obviously is worried about his bitch....all because he trusted someones word rather than checking :/

Lesson learned I think -any breeder needs to have the facilities to keep dog and bitch separate when bitches are in season. Then this will be a litter where presumably NEITHER parent has had any health tests. If it was me, I'd either walk away or expect to pay next to nothing for such a pup as you'd be taking a big risk.

Yes lesson learnt. The set up at the farm is that the dogs can be kept seperately, but having teenagers he wasn't going to take the risk that they might forget or somehow let the dogs together. Father is being castrated this week so there won't be any further need to move dogs, as all his others are bitches.

If I had both sexes I'd board the dog away not trust my bitch to someone else.

As for the original question.

No I would not have a puppy from such a litter, especially with such a young one at home.  I would wait for the planned litter.

As Marianne said this litter should go for a 'consideration' to those who are willing to take a risk on health.

We all match our bitches to a particular stud dog for a reason to get the best we can for our breeding programme and to enhance the breed, genetically health wise, to breed standard, or working characteristics.

The pups will be unregistered, as the bitch was far too young to breed from, the KC will not give out papers, she was just under 12 months when bred. The health tests will not be completed, and her working ability will not be fully assessed.

I would step back completely, the reason he has come to you with only one week to go is because he is obviously having trouble in finding homes, an unregistered litter will not attract the right homes at all. Don't go see them or you will walk out with one, as all pups melt our hearts.

I would wait until the next litter when all tests are done and above board, the pregnancy could have been terminated up to 6 weeks, and then she could have been bred from at the right time.

It's horrible for the breeder, I would never leave my bitch with anyone, but it is not your problem to solve hun, I'm sure you feel very sorry for the man, I do too, (now I've read the full explanation) but, I would step away from these pups altogether, it's a problem he will have to solve with the man who caused the mess. :-(

Just for that reason alone I would run from this litter........... :-(

Carrington, the bitch was bred to a friends dog...ive put how that happened in another post. And no, he didn't come to me to offer/ suggest having a pup, since going down and choosing my boy, we have become good friends and regularly talk/ text/ fb...i contacted him to excitedly tell him we had cracked an obedience exercise ( he used to do obedience before moving onto sheep) and as we were chatting and I asked about the girls it came out....

And yes brainless, moving the dog would've been easier (and have caused much less trouble!!) but the dog is his main working dog at the moment. This is why i personally prefer all boys lol....no worry about anything!! ;)