If I bring in a pup from outside the UK i would need to register its export ped with the KC, how long does it normally take to get the AKC number so that I can show it? I think Ill be cutting it fine for LKA, I'm guessing I wouldn't be able to use NAF or TAF.

Can't help you but it perhaps depends on where it is coming from, don't think if you are registering it with the KC that you will need a AKC number but I am not sure.

If you have sent in your registration application you can enter the dog with RAF at the end of the name.

You will need a certified pedigree with breeders name and address on, you will need his AKC registration in your name.  You then complete the imported dog registration form from the KC.

This is slightly off topic but I need to know.

I have seen a couple of dogs for sale on FB pets for sale groups that claim to be AKC regd, or from AKC regd parents. How likely is this in the UK? is it forgery or scammery? What should I ask if I wished to delve further (not buying of course just wanting to prevent fraud).

Scam, unless they are importing them, which is doubtful considering shipping and handling costs to fly in.

My bet would be a scam, MsT -unless it is one of few breeds that are recognised by the AKC but not here, and somebody has imported them. I know I have heard of one, one of the "Tree" breeds -can't for my life remember the name now. Although interestingly I was recently contacted by a woman interested in a kitten. She asked if mine had all their "papers", to which I replied yes, of course. She then told me of another kitten she'd been offered "For a lot more money than yours" which wasn't registered -and the breeder claimed the reason was that both parents were American imports! I pointed out that surely if somebody bothered to go to the great expense of importing from America they'd also pay to get the parents registered here.

What I meant was - if you have registered the dog with the KC do you need your AKC number to enter a show in the UK?

I think people are confusing ATC and AKC numbers (American Kennel Club registration number, same as our KC, or any other countries reg number).

You would never need the latter if the dog is registered with our KC as imported (the owner is UK resident).  The only exception seems to be for historical reasons where the KC will register Irish Kennel Club registered dogs on the KC register, but I assume they could now equally well now not apply for full registration, just get an ATC number.

ATC (Authority to compete) numbers only apply to foreign dogs visiting here to show, whose registered owners are resident abroad.

You are right Brainless, I was thinking of the ATC and could not understand why it would be needed if the dog was to be registered here with the KC. Does the KC have an understanding with the AKC or is that not the one I am thinking of - one of the Kennel Clubs in the USA seem to go in for recognising designer type dogs that others do not recognise and I wondered if it is registered with that one if the GB KC would issue a registration as a matter of course.

The UKC is a legitimate registry, they do recognise some breeds that are new or in development.

They seem to run shows more sympathetic to owner handlers the emphasis in the American Kennel Club run shows in  USA seems to be on the main ring and pro handlers.

The UKC shows often seem more like the FCI system re groupings, and like our KC they allow non pure breeds to take part in performance events (In AKC the dog has to be purebred).

Our KC recognise the AKC as the main registry, and as most people in USA that show in both venues will have their dogs dual registered it isn't' an issue.

Don't know what the KC's attitude is with regard to UKC recognised breeds trying to get on our Import register.  The only breed I can think of is the Klee Kai, and I don't know if they applied for KC recognition or not.  I remember seeing a well known kennel of another breed advertising the breed in one of the Annuals (Our Dogs or Dog World).

Yes, was the UKC I was thinking of they register the Klee Kai, Am Bulldogs, Pit Bull and so on.

http://www.ukcdogs.com/Web.nsf/WebPages/Registration/BreedStandards drop down list gives the breeds they recognise and the standards adopted.

I notice that they don't recognise any of the Husky/GSD etc crosses who keep splitting and changing their names.

I not the the Am Bulldog and Put Bull are both listed under Guarding breeds.

So in theory I can send off for the UK registration and enter a show within the same week so long as I put RAF at the end of the name. Do you think I'll need to take a copy of the ped to the show with me?

Yes you do need the pedigree and to have the dog registered with the KC and put RAF.  You do not need to have the ATC as the dog is coming over here under your ownership and is not still the ownership of the people from its country of origin.  You could not solely produce a copy of the pedigree the dog has to have KC registration through before being to show though.

As long as the registration (or transfer) has been applied for at the Kennel Club, you can enter the show. 

In fact by the time the show comes around you will almost certainly have the registration back from the Kennel club as entries for shows close weeks ahead.

You do not have to take a reg cert or anything except exhibitors passes to a show.

The AKC is usually pretty quick with issuing registration papers. The breeder needs to register the litter and they are sent forms for each puppy in the litter, which they can have by the time the puppies are 8 weeks. In theory, the breeder could then send the forms to register the puppy with the AKC, and you could have the puppy fully AKC registered within 4 weeks after that. So if the breeder did the AKC registration as soon as individual papers for the litter arrived, the puppy could be registered by the time it is about 16 weeks old. You might then have to go through some transfer of ownership stuff when the puppy comes to the UK, but the registration number wouldn't change and you would have plenty of time to send off the registration information to the KC before LKA.