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Topic Dog Boards / Behaviour / Staffy hates his new mate (locked)
- By purnek [au] Date 25.01.03 03:56 UTC
I have a 2 year old male Staffordshire, he is extremely loving but has always hated other dogs. We have a 9 yr old female Yorkshire Terrier which was here when he arrived and the family cat but he gets along with them quite well.

We have just purchased a female Staffordshire for him and hope to breed them in the future. He keeps trying to attack her. We have been putting him on a leesh while he is in the house and if he growls or tries to attack her, we put him outside.

Would appreciate any advice on how to get him to accept her. Mind you he does assert his dominance over the Yorky too but has never hurt her will just stand over her and growl till she does what he wants.

Thanks
- By archer [gb] Date 25.01.03 11:36 UTC
Hi
how old is the female you have just purchased?
I am wondering why you would want to breed from a dog with such aggressive tendancies!!!!
Archer
- By cooper [gb] Date 25.01.03 12:21 UTC
archer ..he is a SBT aggression is part of their makeup, it is not a fault it is just the way some of them are.
- By lel [gb] Date 25.01.03 12:39 UTC
Cooper ,
as you say SOME sbt can be overly aggresive towards other dogs - NOT ALL
Therefore shouldnt a responsible breeder be favouring those with a milder temperament ?
When we chose our Staffy pup the temperament of the parents was a major deciding factor in the breeder we opted for .
Lel
- By archer [gb] Date 25.01.03 13:42 UTC
Hi
I own a staff so I do know that some are aggressive.It does not make it right to breed from an aggressive dog of any breed since we are now supposed to be breeding for family pets and companions not for the purpose that they were originally bred for.Aggression is NOT acceptable and as responsible breeders we should be breeding only from dogs of sound mind and body.
Staffs and other bull breeds have a bad enough name as it is without people making excuses for aggression by saying its in their make-up ...thats exactly the kind of comment that brings about a breed ban!!!!
Archer
- By Jeangenie [gb] Date 25.01.03 13:47 UTC
Hear Hear, Archer. Well said.
- By lel [gb] Date 25.01.03 13:47 UTC
With all the bad press in Germany etc ,we should be trying to peter out over-aggression in bull breeds as mentioned .
I would hate to see the SBT on the banned breed list as in parts of Europe .
They are brilliant dogs and deserve to have responsible owners .
Lel
- By cooper [gb] Date 25.01.03 16:14 UTC
archer i find this sort of comment unbelievable.why did you buy a stafford in the first place?they were bred originally for fighting weren't they? so aggression SHOULD be in their makeup.if all people wanted calm placid dogs then they would all own the same breed (pick the calmest)and nobody would own certain breeds.the show breeders have in my opinion ruined some breeds and i believe the stafford should be to some degree dog aggresive but never people aggresive.my own dogs are aggresive and i have never had a problem because they are on leads around dogs and let off away from dogs its that simple.the stafford ring is so quiet these days it is a real contrast to when i started and you could tell the stafford ring as soon as you entered a show field from the noise of the dogs coming from it, this is how they were bred in days gone by and if people want really unaggresive dogs or dogs that cannot or will not defend themselves then this is not the breed for that person.if a dog shows no aggresion imo it should not even be called a staffordshire bull terrier.sorry if it offends but i have my opinion and you have yours.
- By archer [gb] Date 25.01.03 16:24 UTC
WERE bred for fighting-ENOUGH SAID.
You do not offend me-I just find it sad that there are still people who judge a dog by the aggression that it shows.
- By SaraW [gb] Date 25.01.03 16:27 UTC
Cooper

I'm not trying to get in an arguement at all here but why do you feel it is right for SBT's to be dog aggressive if you are not going to fight them ?
Does this not make life difficult for "pet" dogs? I'm having difficulty understanding why you feel "dog aggressiveness" should still be bred into the lines.

SaraW :)
- By cooper [gb] Date 25.01.03 17:04 UTC
a greyhound should be able to run
a retriever should be able to retrieve etc etc etc
and a sbt should be able to protect itself.simple as that.it is what they were bred for and imo if you breed out these urges then it is no longer the same breed.as i said before i have never had a problem as i am careful and respect other peoples dogs and do not let mine off around them.
- By Jeangenie [gb] Date 25.01.03 17:09 UTC
I accept you are careful where you let your dogs off.

Not everyone with aggressive dogs is careful, and it is these 'people' who cause a breed to get a bad name and end up being banned.
- By archer [gb] Date 25.01.03 17:11 UTC
A retriever or a greyhound can protect itself-does not mean it is dog aggressive-completely different thing.
If a dog has teeth and legs it can protect itself!!!!
- By cooper [gb] Date 25.01.03 17:17 UTC
ok then they can protect themselves but in no way should be considered in the same league in that respect as a dog which came from a fighting heritage.i have said all i am saying as your arguement is starting to annoy me now.i can see no validity in it.sorry.
- By Jeangenie [gb] Date 25.01.03 17:20 UTC
Time moves on, the world changes. Like it or not, "progress" happens, and in 21st Century society there is no place for aggressive dogs.
- By cooper [gb] Date 25.01.03 17:31 UTC
so what should happen to them then jeangenie (the dog aggresive dogs out there like the apbt and many staffords).do you suggest a cull.
- By SaraW [gb] Date 25.01.03 17:20 UTC
Thank you for your reply Cooper :)

My retrievers can retrieve and can protect themselves I hope if needed - but the only time they would need to is from dog aggressive dogs :rolleyes:

The Kennel Club Breed Standard says for a SBT

Characteristics
Traditionally of indomitable courage and tenacity. Highly intelligent and affectionate especially with children.

Temperament
Bold, fearless and totally reliable.

It doesn't say Aggressive.

To protect itself as you wish with your dogs it does not have to be dog aggressive - it doesn't have to start the fight does it?

I am not suggesting you are not responsible Cooper and control yours and I'm not suggesting that you allow them to go out looking for a fight (although it sounds as if they would if you let them)

I just worry that a lovely breed such as SBT's could end up banned because of some people continuing to breed aggression in the lines and these dogs ending up in the hands of irresponsible owners :(
I wonder if it would be better to have the breeds courage and tenacity and looks without aggression than lose the breed all together ?

SaraW :)
- By cooper [gb] Date 25.01.03 17:33 UTC
fair enough sara but the kc did not develop the stafford like it or not dog fighters did.
Topic Dog Boards / Behaviour / Staffy hates his new mate (locked)

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