> The diseases that are vaccinated against are life-threatening; they can cause death or handicap

Exactly - one of the boys was very ill with it :(

I'm sure that those people that had polio and were left with heart problems (as was my OH's aunt) and forms of paralysis were/are grateful that they have natural immunity  :(

> On Titre Testing they have antibodies to parvovirus....which means they have come across parvovirus.....and are alive and well

Not everybody died of The Plague or the influenza outbreak in 1919 ....

Sorry Furrie Friends :)

In answer to your question...I have a mixed bunch of both minimally vaccinated and non-vaccinated dogs and have visitors who come with both vaccinated and non-vaccinated dogs....and sometimes take in rescues who we also choose not to vaccinate and instead support their immune systems. None of the dogs have given the other dogs any disease (except once my vaccinated dogs got a mild case of kennel cough but my non-vaccinated dogs didn't)

If thats of any help...?? :)

Thank you :)

Bit off topic maybe......but I read an interesting article about a marketing company who were charged with the task of designing glossy leaflets to persuade various social groups to take up vaccines. Some of it I found quite patronising to be honest towards some of the social groups mentioned..... but the company on discussing the type of leaflet needed to persuade the "No Vaccination Group" to take up vaccines.....had to give up and admit that there was no marketing ploy that would work on these types of people..... One of the reasons mentioned was the availability of information now spread all over the internet :)

Well I,m looking for a career changs maybe I could become a house sitter/dog minder the holiday season is fast approaching.

Jeez louise, hasn't the box been opened and the worms spilled out!!  What have I started!?
Anyhoo, thanks for all who replied(not about the vaccine arguement though).  My close friend and relative is going to come to my house with her dog and stay for the week.  So that's everything taken care of and by someone I know and trust.
Thanks again!

PS  Can I just add that I did get all 4 of my kids vaccinated but I chose not to give them a booster every year, same as my dogs.  And my youngest is very rarely ill either but then that's because she has had a blast of bacteria from the school ages kids bringing stuff home and 'sharing' with the dogs.  Toughens up the immune system.  I always say our youngest could survive with the cockroaches after a nuclear war!!

Have a great holiday :)

> I can only speak from my experience of two vets - miles apart :-) My previous vet has operated the three year system since, at least, 2005 and when we moved to Norfolk my new vet does the same :-)
>

Same with my vet too Daisy.

> My close friend and relative is going to come to my house with her dog and stay for the week.  So that's everything taken care of and by someone I know and trust.
>

Brill :-)

I've had a similar problem. I'm away on business soon for 4 days (both OH & myself), but there is no way I'd leave the dog in kennels  -
1, by his very nature he needs company,
2. the occurance of bloat while there was no staff about would worry the life out of me
3. he doesn't like the car, so I'd struggle to get him there,
4. he has only had vacs as a puppy, none since
5. he can be a handfull if he isn't handled with by a confidant person & a handfull if he is handled too roughly/bullyish.
So, I needed to get somebody to stay at my house who can handle the dog AND my 2 boys AND my evil little cat that likes to try to shred the skin off hands AND the pond fish (which wouldn;t usually be too bad, but we've just had a shock when the filter system sprung a leak and emptied about 1100 gals of the 1200 gallons of water out over night ). AND the hamsters AND the rabbit!!!

It's been a nightmare. My mum & my sis both offered, no - INSISTED. The problem with my mum is I don't trust that she would stick to the rules of 'NO STRANGERS' in the house (by stranger I mean people the dog doesn't know), as, allthough the dog is fine with me about, I'd not like to risk what he'd be like in my absence, especailly as the kids will be here - he may decide he's thier protector :(
Mum & sis have been both arguing as to which one of them should do it & refused to share the task, with me stuck in the middle :(
Finally got it sorted - sis will be staying at my house, but she has a bad leg, so allthough I know she can deal with the dog (and the rest), I'm still gonna be worried that he'll hurt her leg (he's clumsy & his head cracking into your leg can knock you over). We also have my dad popping around daily while we are away and an uncle on 'emergency call' should he be needed as he's only a few mins away & is aslo a fish-keeper should the koi need help!

LOL, I've been more worried about getting the dog sorted than the kids!

Glad you're sorted too & have a great holiday :)

ETA Oh my gosh, sorry for the huge amount of waffle!

miserable person that I am I dont go away lol :) sorry I lie I am going away for a weekend  and leaving the 2 dogs with my children. Only One night so even if they dont get walked other than before we go they should be fine. The kids cant understand why the instructions are getting longer and longer !

This weekend is  a must how else can I go and visit my prospective  puppys mummy and family( tee heee)
Then another weekend to see pup when it is born etc :)

I know I said I wouldnt but... please would someone give their reasons for feeling their dogs shoulnt mix with unvaccinated dogs

yes, we have to pay for vacs so why the hell shouldnt everybody else?

yes, we have to pay for vacs so why the hell shouldnt everybody else?

Some of us invest a lot of time money and energy into the holistic health of our dogs and know enough...and have seen enough.....not to be hoodwinked by slick marketing campaigns.....and what we object to is "establishments" that just spew out falsities....ad infinatum......without keeping abreast of current scientific research.

Falsities that are causing untold damage to our dogs (and cats and horses)

If you wouldn't booster your child every year...what on earth makes people think its ok to booster a dog every year...??

More to the point.....having reached a rational conclusion that the "puppy series" given at the right time of a puppy's life...is more than enough....why the hell should we have to pay for annual vacs......just because everyone else does...??

My close friend and relative is going to come to my house with her dog and stay for the week.  So that's everything taken care of and by someone I know and trust.

Brill....so you do know someone very brave and slightly mad then...?? :)

If you start writing a list now of all their little quirks and idiosynchrocies...it should just about be finished by the time you go away :)

Have a great holiday....

sorry tina didnt understand that one. you vaccinate your dogs because you believe it prevents them from getting illness ,no problem there.Why if that is truee does everybody have to do the same, your dogs are safe if vaccination works.mine cant give yours illness if yours are vaccinated
I really dont see how the I have to spend money so why shouldnt everbody answer the question
I am not asking if it should be complusary  confused
FOS it still comes down to why do the pro vaccinators not want non vaccinated dogs near theirs. Theirs are safe if they believe vaccines work. Or are people saying that vaccines dont work/might work but we will give it a go anyway

FOS it still comes down to why do the pro vaccinators not want non vaccinated dogs near theirs.

I have no idea....! :)

It can only be down to a niggle in the back of the mind somewhere...that vaccinations might not be all they are supposed to be...??

thats what I wondered :) :) :)

just to clarify my postion, i dont agree with annual boosters at all. i think its just vets making money. but on the odd occasion that i go on holiday and have to kennel my dogs, i have to have had them vac'd or i cant go on my holiday. i was pointing out that if i have to pay to vac before my dog can be kennelled so should everyone else that goes to that kennel.
im not against natural methods either, just against those that cant be bothered to pay and get away with it. most unvac'd dogs are kept by people that wont pay for the vac in the same way that they dont pay for spaying either

>why if Leptospirosis is such a dreadful disease...why are people not vaccinated against it as well...??

Because they're still trying to develop a vaccine for humans.

>it still comes down to why do the pro vaccinators not want non vaccinated dogs near theirs.

Because vaccines - even those given to humans - don't mean that you will never ever become ill through coming into contact with the disease. It means that your symptoms will be much less than otherwise. Personally I'd rather my dogs weren't ill at all, than only a bit ill.

>

Can I just add that I did get all 4 of my kids vaccinated but I chose not to give them a booster every year, same as my dogs

What yearly booster ?
If your children have had all their vaccinations then they will have completed their childhood vaccination programme ( which should be complete at the school leavers booster in school year 11/12 ) .
Travel and flu vaccinations are different.

Thank you folks who answered my question and tina s now I got your comment :)

i dont agree with annual boosters at all. i think its just vets making money. but on the odd occasion that i go on holiday and have to kennel my dogs, i have to have had them vac'd or i cant go on my holiday.

But isn't that what this whole discussion is about...??

The very fact that you HAVE to have your dogs "boostered" in order for them to be accepted by the Boarding Kennel....even though its against your own better judgement and personal belief...??

And the fact that many vets still try to make you have the whole series again if your dog has gone over a certain length of time (when apparently if you are to believe it...all protection has suddenly inexplicably....gone.?)