Whoops there goes another dash to fetch the kitchen roll  :-p :-p :-p

Visable thong under tramp stamp or anal floss as OH calls them. He has a preference for a slightly larger satin job that only hints at the treasures within ;)

  I was going to mention these especially the purple tram lines but I didn't want to put any body off their supper.

When I was a girl many moons ago wobbling bits were concealed and even if you were lucky enough to have lithe hips that suited hipsters you probably wouldn't get past the bottom of the stairs on your way out without a parent shouting 'You're not going out looking like that' :(

I too hate to see babies and young children with pierced ears. If you have ever seen a child who has had it's ear lobe ripped into two flaps because it has caught the earring whilst playing it might change some opinions. This child was not doing anything silly, she wasn't mucking around, just playing as children do and in the process her earring got caught up and didn't come free until it had ripped its way down to the bottom of her ear lobe. The lobe had to be stitched to repair the damage. Very traumatic for a three year old :-(

I work in a school and children have to remove their earrings or cover them with micropore when participating in PE for the above reason and am amazed by some parents objections to this rule.

On the subject of tacky I personally loathe those huge gold figures such as clowns with jewelled eyes that people hang round their necks - my niece loves them :-)

> personally loathe those huge gold figures such as clowns with jewelled eyes that people hang round their necks - my niece loves them :-)

Youth and bad taste can go hand in hand, at least she has time to grow up. Some have reached adulted hood and still have all of the style and grace of a bucket of poo :-D

Thinking of things we wore in our younger days, has anybody got any real wowzers that they'd like to confess?

I'm thinking of purple satin lycra spray on trousers (Grease and Olivia Newton-John style) the only fond memories I have of them is the size i was so that I could get into them :)

>the 8 inches of wobbling belly exposed between the top of jeans and bottom of vest.

Known as a 'muffin-top' around here. Hideous!

> Known as a 'muffin-top'

Even the name hints at trampy tacky-ness ;)

I dont really care how someone looks or if what they are wearing or accesorized with looks "tacky". Too many people in society are judged from the outside, not whats on the inside - dont judge a book by its cover springs to mind.
It may not be my choice of attire but doesnt make them a lesser person.

Also, its just come to me, there are no nerves or cartliage in our ear lobes. Im sure its more the shock that makes youngsters cry. Could go back to the whole tail docking/dew claw removing debate here lol

My ears must be odd then because I know whenI have caught my earring with a comb when brushing my hair it hurt like mad :-)

>its just come to me, there are no nerves or cartliage in our ear lobes

I just pinched my earlobe - and it hurt   Its not just the piercing that hurts, its the days/weeks afterwards when its healing it can get really sore.

I dont really care how someone looks or if what they are wearing or accesorized with looks "tacky". Too many people in society are judged from the outside, not whats on the inside - dont judge a book by its cover springs to mind.
It may not be my choice of attire but doesnt make them a lesser person.

Just because I think certain items are tacky doesn't mean I would judge the owner as "tacky" :-)

>there are no nerves or cartliage in our ear lobes.

Stick a pin in your earlobe and tell me if you feel anything! If it's not numb then there are nerves. If there were no nerves it wouldn't be a shock to youngsters because they wouldn't feel anything.

Hi Fred's Mum

Firstly can I say all of this has just been a bit of fun between a bunch of girls airing their opinions on certain styles of dress, nobody has passed comment on the type of people that may lie beneath these styles of dress, just that they view certain styles to be lacking in taste. But hey what do we know, only what we like or dislike I would think :)

Everything is down to advertising, even the cover on a book is carefully considered so that it may attract the largest market,  many a book is purchased because of the images on the cover.

I'm not too sure about the lack of nerves in the ear-lobe mind, cartilage yes I would say you are right, but there must be a fair bit of nerve stuff going on there otherwise what the heck is my beloved doing when he's nuzzling on my ear and not getting on my nerves in a bad way ;)

One thing for sure there is a large amount of small blood vessels in the lobe hence it bleeds like a beast when you catch an ear-ring and goes very pink when you're embarressed  :) :)

> goes very pink when you're embarressed

and there's a thing if it goes pink with embarressment it's got to be linked to your nervous system.

> black tights with shoes other than black

oops, had my leaving night from work last week, and wore a beautiful black knee length dress, thick black tights and the most gorgeous purple shoes, with a purple hairband. i thought it looked nice :)

> the most gorgeous purple shoes, with a purple hairband. i thought it looked nice :-)

Hey listen sometimes such a strong contrast can really cut a dash, anyway you had no flesh on parade or thong so I bet you looked quite tidy :)

I didnt aim my comment at anyone. I just wanted to air my opinion that i look beyond what on the outside & show someone that may be looking at this thread that  we are not that narrow minded (well im not anyway)

Like many things - if the piercing is done properly and well maintained and cleaned afterwards it shouldnt be a problem. Normally problems with piercings are when places that are warm and moist - belly button springs to mind - get pierced and take ages to heal

I'm not even going into the whole book cover debate because A) Its getting late and B)it is totally off topic and not particularly relevant :-)

thank you pinky. definetely no flesh on show! my black dress

shoes were ovely, a dark purple colour and 120 denier tights!

>Like many things - if the piercing is done properly and well maintained and cleaned afterwards it shouldnt be a problem.

it still stings when its cleaned though, even if it is looked after properly.

Going right back to page one here as I haven't seen on comment on this:

Spaniels are not docked at birth, unless you can prove they are working even then it is not accepted practice and they cannot be shown.

This isn't correct. Legally docked Spaniels CAN be shown, if it is at shows where the public do not pay an entrance fee to get in. And we all know several champ.shows, like Blackpool for instance, have decided to do away with the entrance fee and instead charge for car parking, to allow these dogs to be shown. And I don't know of any open shows that charge people to get in. It mainly leaves Crufts.

> if the piercing is done properly and well maintained and cleaned afterwards it shouldnt be a problem.

You are talking about sticking something sharp into a baby and causing it to have a wound that requires regular attention and may become infected. (Babies sleep...a lot.... on their ears and they get warm).  I can't see any justification for it.

> Too many people in society are judged from the outside, not whats on the inside - dont judge a book by its cover springs to mind.

How true Freds Mum - another prime example would be forming an opinion of a total stranger based on their choice of vehicle :)

> It may not be my choice of attire but doesnt make them a lesser person.

hit the nail smack bang on the centre of the head :)

> its just come to me, there are no nerves or cartliage in our ear lobes

close but not quite exact - there are nerve endings, flesh, blood vessels present but there's no cartilage in the ear lobes

> Just because I think certain items are tacky doesn't mean I would judge the owner as "tacky"

Nor me Harley - any of us by the look of things LOL

Hi suz1985

> black tights with shoes other than black

> oops, had my leaving night from work last week, and wore a beautiful black knee length dress, thick black tights and the most gorgeous purple shoes, with a purple hairband. i thought it looked nice

Daughter just threw a wobbly on me for that one she recently bought gorgeous purple silk peep toe killer heels and wore them with black stockings and TBF they looked great :)  We liked your choice of dress in the link - very similar to one she bought from Coast in the post Christmas sale (saved a fortune on it too!)

Hi again Pinky,

> can I say all of this has just been a bit of fun between a bunch of girls airing their opinions on certain styles of dress, nobody has passed comment on the type of people that may lie beneath these styles

Exactly hun - your above points pretty much cover it IMO - nowt wrong with a bit of fun especially since prior to this it was just getting too heavy duty :)

Now I'm going to have to be turned out in a (modest) Versace number at the big C and pray the spotlights don't overdo the tentatively chosen jewellery as OTT bling (or expose lack of root touch ups )  Best not even go down the route of VPLs!

Pressure - self inflicted at that :-p

> very similar to one she bought from Coast in the post Christmas sale (saved a fortune on it too!)

ooohhh im so jealous! i love coast, they do the most beautiful dresses!

> You are talking about sticking something sharp into a baby and causing it to have a wound that requires regular attention and may become infected

Exactly Isabel - and earrings catch on blankets, wooly hats, fleece lined hoods, mum's/gran's/aunty's clothing too not to mention all other sorts of accidents when at the crawling, toddling and attending nursery and primary school ages as Harley pointed out (and I've witnessed same also). 

IMO the primary concern - i.e. a child's welfare  - is based entirely on the fact they are dangerous for young children, therafter there are choice and aesthetic issues depending on personal opinion but from a safety perspective alone they shouldn't be permitted in, say, under 12s and hopefully one day they wont be

Great shop but very pricey usually but she got one at £55 that should have over £200 so it was a steal :)  I fell madly in love with a (potentially tacky!) red patent handbag but even in the sale it was over £200 :(

>from a safety perspective alone they shouldn't be permitted in, say, under 12s and hopefully one day they wont be

A very fair judgement IMO.

have only ever bought one dress from it, a few years ago for a wedding, very good friend of mine so didnt mind spending a bit extra, think the dress was £150 its definetly a shop for special occasions. also love monsoon, thats my other special occasion shop! :)

just taking this thread back to the kitten with pierced ears...
It just goes to show how stupid the woman is....apart from causing unneccessary cruelty to the kitten by piercing its ears in the first place...shes used jewellery thats for a navel piercing...... its 2 navel bars hanging from those ears...very  easy to catch and tear.
Stupid selfish woman deserves to have her buisness ruined putting the poor thing through that.

In total agreement philly - I can't understand the mentality behind just thinking up this idea never mind going through with it :( :( :(

> IMO the primary concern - i.e. a child's welfare  - is based entirely on the fact they are dangerous for young children, therafter there are choice and aesthetic issues depending on personal opinion but from a safety perspective alone they shouldn't be permitted in, say, under 12s and hopefully one day they wont be

hi Terri.....My friend is a body piercer and she wont pierce anyone under the age of 14.....there are many reasons for this mainly health issues to do with the growth and develpoment of a childs body.
If she were here im sure she would have plenty to say on this thread. Most reputable piercers follow the Assosiation of Professional Piercers guidelines and  WILL NOT pierce children under 14 for these reasons also
The APP are trying to get the government of this country to make these recomendations law but unfortunately because they seem to always have more pressing issues to sort out, Piercing regs are not top of the agenda so to spreak......In time hopefully the minimum age for piercing will be passed as 14 yrs or over.

> My friend is a body piercer and she wont pierce anyone under the age of 14.....there are many reasons for this mainly health issues to do with the growth and develpoment of a childs body

That's good to know philly :)  I hope there are many professionals in that field who feel similarly which is for the greater good IMO in the absence of laws to the contrary. 

Sadly I fear some parents may have access to less reputable sources or worse still go down the route of many in my school days when it was an ice cube held at the front of the lobe, a cut potato at the back and an almight darning needle run under a kettle of boiling water to get the job done :(  :(  :(

> That's good to know philly :-)  I hope there are many professionals in that field who feel similarly which is for the greater good IMO in the absence of laws to the contrary.

Well it depends on the piercer...the decent ones follow the App guidlines as i have said...many however dont, my advice would be if a piercer is only interested in taking your money and not bothering to ask for a passport or driving licence as i.d..run away fast.
Also watching a 15 min video or a certificate which says they have attended a day course  does not count as enough training to be a piercer...so always ask for their credentials....my friend and her parner, also a piercer and hand tattooist trained for over 8 yrs to achieve the status they have today....both are very well respected in the industry.

the problem with having no laws and also having piercers only out for money means that unfortunately any parent who wants their childs ears done can find a place that will do it for them regardless of the health risk and theres not a thing anyone can do about it yet....this practice tars all piercers with the same brush making the government less likely to take the  APP recomendations seriously.

One thing finally I will say on the subject of babies ears imo ...id worry that the baby could pull the earring out and put it in its mouth ,a thing which most small children do when they have something in their hands.....the thought of them swallowing the spikey piece of the ear stud and the damage that could cause makes me feel ill.
Rest assured my friend and many like her will not give up and if they have their way,things in the industry will improve for the good.

If anyone would like any info on piercing....ill try to get my friend to come and answer them

> Also, its just come to me, there are no nerves or cartliage in our ear lobes

We're taught to pinch sleepers ears to wake them up - it works 99% of the time so there must be nerves there :-)

> The fake white tips are all chunky and squared off and twice the length of the fake pink bit - mms from the cuticles.  Ghastly, just tooooo ghastly

Now that is TACKY....
I would also like to admit I had my daughters ears pierced when she was 14 months old...at 24 years she thinks it was a cruel and barbaric thing to do to a baby.... but she loves all the pretty diamonds I have bought to put in them over the years AND she had a second hole done at 18 ...

I would also add her ears never got ripped, her earrings never fell out, she did not choke on them, in fact she did not even wake up when her ears were pierced, (just like all those puppies that get their tails chopped off)....I would not do it now I was young and niave then ...

Just checked out the dress, now that is very classy, I like it :)

> can I say all of this has just been a bit of fun between a bunch of girls airing their opinions on certain styles of dress, nobody has passed comment on the type of people that may lie beneath these styles

Yep, I would never, ever, pass judgement on a baby cos she had her ears pierced - even if I didn't approve of her choice of nappies, wet wipes or baby milk, its not for me to say - she's a person in her own right and I should be able to see past the baby bling to the little person within. :) :) :)

>Yep, I would never, ever, pass judgement on a baby cos she had her ears pierced

Yep - the baby didn't choose to have her ears pierced, so it shouldn't be a stigma for the baby ... as the saying goes, we can't choose our relations!

> we can't choose our relations!

Thank God I can have  dogs !!!!!

Before the sack cloth and ashes arrive,that is not blasphemy, I genuinely thank him.