gumbo was nice though you have to agree

there's a bit in Dog World about Gumbo this week.Tells you all about his backgound etc.

and can someone tell me why there was petition writing and uproar amongst dog people when an IWH joined the cast yet no one seems to be bothered about a st bernard (another inappropriate breed for most folk) joins the programme??? Why the difference????

I wondered that too Sam.

Gumbo looks absolutely gorgeous, loved it when he shook his head and slobbered everywhere!      
But loved Gengis too! :)

I hope they show better ownership skills with this one. The poor boxer pup was never to be seen when it came to housebreaking, and was let loose in the square . and his owner forgot about him on a walk and came home without him, it also seemed as though he was being kept in the cellar as I think phil said to someone who was going down there, can you get the dog and walk it wile you are down there. I know its all pretend but what dose this teach young dog owners.? Lets hope the new dog gets treated better.

Has anyone had a reply from the BBC yet? I haven't.

Such a stupid way the dog is being portrayed too - no registration papers but the dog can apparently be shown, and now he's in demand at stud and will make his 'owner' £100 a pup (or was it £100 a 'pop') - not a good impression to numpties either way. Give me strength ...

M.

Do you not worry that maybe they are doing this to make a point and show supposedly unhealthy show dogs on a show like Eastenders?

its all very bizarre :(

It's stupid that no one who works in the BBC seems to have a clue about dogs, they cant even portray owning a pet dog probably   let alone  show dogs. Brady has no papers or health  certificates to stud this dog, and they keep saying he will make loads of money from showing, they don't have a clue.  No one in the show seems to give a toss about there pets, cats seem to come and go, dogs seem to do the same, a new animal seems to be thrown in when ever they need to boost ratings, I have sent emails to them in the past but they don't reply, or say thankyou  you opinions mean a lot. and then don't do anything , typical BBC

> Do you not worry that maybe they are doing this to make a point and show supposedly unhealthy show dogs on a show like Eastenders?

Yes, I do fear that.  I am dreading getting a reply that there is no hypocrisy because that is the way the story line is going to go.

oh no, didnt think of that :(

It's in the Times. WHAT a load of rubbish from the BBC!
http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/tv_and_radio/article5663561.ece

>A St Bernard appearing as a lovable fictional pet in EastEnders is very different in context to seeing them upheld as exemplary breeds in a prestigious televised dog show."  

In what way? I think more people will see the breed on Eastenders and perhaps be influenced to desire one than will see them on a Crufts broadcast except in the outside chance of them taking Best in Show. 
I do not believe there have only been 10 complaints.  There must have been 10 emails from this board alone!

With you there Isabel. And if the dog is a real dog and not a cuddly toy, is a show dog for real AND in the programme, what is the difference? Well answering myself, like you I'd say it will be seen FAR more in EastEnders than the breed would have been if Crufts was televised again. And yes I am sure there must have been more than ten of us contacting the BBC!

I for one applaud the BBC! Well done for sending the message that we in the dog show fraternity have been promoting for years.......when you are looking for a purebred dog, seek out a responsible and dedicated show breeder! How appropriate that the BBC's selection is a healthy, happy purebred dog!

Jason, Blackpool, UK

  Loved the comments :-)

Fewer than 10 complaints? I don't think so!

Maybe they only count them when they've bothered replying to them ... ? ;-)

M.

Could be. I've heard zilch.

> Has anyone had a reply from the BBC yet? I haven't.

Nor me - but then they didn't reply to my complaint on PDE either.  Perhaps they feel if they dont actually reply they can keep the genuine number of complaints to a minimum .....

i am so glad someone has bought this up on a thread i was a bit miffed as to why they were one of the breeds listed to be banned from being shown at crufts yet they have placed one on a prime time show

TBH I'm surprised that the owners agreed to their dog being in the programme since it is a show dog and from show stock....... 

It would be a case of hell having frozen over and pigs firmly established as the world's greatest aviators had they enquired about using one of mine ;)

Perhaps they feel if they dont actually reply they can keep the genuine number of complaints to a minimum .....

I wonder if they will change their tune when Ofcom investigate why so many complaints have not been acknowledged ;-)

oooh, let's hope so :-D
(and ~~~waves~~~, BIG ~~~waves~~~ Lucy :) )

My thoughts excerly Teri ( sorry about the spelling ).
Why oh why would they allow there dog to be used in this way when they have no control over the story line ( unless its going to turn out with a good ending? )
Agree about the BCC getting it wrong they all seem to do this where dogs are shown on telly.
Cant be good for the breed either.
So many kids are going to be asking for one now and there parents wont have a clue about good breeders etc.
Mind boggles.

Thank you for contacting Ofcom.

Regarding the BBC's handling of complaints, while Ofcom can review complaints about porgramme content itself (within the remit of our Codes, which would not include directing on a broadcaster's editorial decision as to which programmes to include in it's schedules in the first instance), we only direct that broadcasters have a complaints procedure in place for recording viewer complaints. 

Beyond that it is at their discretion how they handle individual complainants and any complaint about the BBC's handling of your complaint should usually be pursued via their formal complaints process www.bbc.co.uk/complaints in the first instance, and ultimately with the BBC Trust www.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust  

> any complaint about the BBC's handling of your complaint should usually be pursued via their formal complaints process www.bbc.co.uk/complaints in the first instance

Well we've tried that route before :(  Thanks for looking into things further Lucy , perhaps they've just not checked their in-box for a bit LOL

Try and lodge a complaint with the BBC Trust

http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/appeals/index.html

Might be worth lodging another complaint about the way they have responded to the PDEs well :-)

Onwards and upwards :)

Just done my complaint & I am waiting with bated breath for the reply(with tongue firmly in cheek lol)

There is no BBC directive to dictate that St Bernards should not appear on screen following the decision to suspend broadcast of Crufts.

A St Bernard appearing as a lovable fictional pet in 'EastEnders' is very different in context to seeing them upheld as exemplary breeds in a prestigious televised dog show.

Please be assured, however, that we have registered your comments on our audience log. This is the internal report of audience feedback which we compile daily for all programme makers and commissioning executives within the BBC, and also their senior management. It ensures that your points, and all other comments we receive, are circulated and considered across the BBC.

The reply I got :rolleyes:

I see they forgot to mention their 'lovable, fictional pet on Eastenders' is also being depicted as a 'show/stud dog' then?

Well I do wonder what that difference is. A show dog seen at Crufts being a show dog, or a show dog (previously shown at Crufts) seen in EastEnders, playing a show dog..........

Yes I have just replied saing exactly that Dee !

Seems the BBC have one rule for themselves and loads for the rest of us ;)

Quote-A St Bernard appearing as a lovable fictional pet in 'EastEnders' is very different in context to seeing them upheld as exemplary breeds in a prestigious televised dog show. )

um a lovable pet? The dog is being portrayed  as a show dog not a pet. And if they do keep showing him in dog shows (in the programme) then at some point they will have to show him in the ring. what's the difference from  seeing him in a dog show to seeing him walk round the square  after coming from a dog show ? The BBC are  so dumb

In one scene I saw, Bradley and his dad were discussing how much money they could make 'showing' -  the only money I see is the back of it!

> There is no BBC directive to dictate that St Bernards should not appear on screen following the decision to suspend broadcast of Crufts.
>
> A St Bernard appearing as a lovable fictional pet in 'EastEnders' is very different in context to seeing them upheld as exemplary breeds in a prestigious televised dog show.
>
> Please be assured, however, that we have registered your comments on our audience log. This is the internal report of audience feedback which we compile daily for all programme makers and commissioning executives within the BBC, and also their senior management. It ensures that your points, and all other comments we receive, are circulated and considered across the BBC.
>

This is a duplicate of of the reply I got - I am sure our complaints must have been worded different to not warrant a different reply???

The whole storyline makes me uncomfortable to be honest - money making from showing and breeding???  don't think so!

I got the same reply too! I've responded:

"The BBC seems to have missed the point; 'Gumbo' isn't playing a 'lovable, fictional pet' - he's playing a show dog with potential to be used at stud. No different to any of the other St Bernards who'll be Exhibited at Crufts. This is where the BBC's hypocrisy lies."

Just got mine - exactly the same LOL.  Clearly they've not put as much thought into their responses as the individuals complaining!

Perhaps the replies will get them motivated :-p

I haven't had a reply yet! But I'll reply too when I do.

You have to send your reply through the usual complaints box, quoting your reference number from their standard reply.

> The reply I got

Guess what I got an identical reply-no reply to my questions about the dogs being presented as a stud/show dog with no KC registration & being able to simply go to a show to be successful ! Typical !

Sent mine..this is what I wrote.

Seems the BBC has missed a very good lesson , they have taken the time to educate the rest of the country with. On the pulling out of Crufts , and their concern of the welfare of pedigree dogs. The St Bernard , being one of them.. Yet you are happy to portray one as a "showdog" (not a much loved family pet) one which the owners only concern is to make money from said dog. Rather hypocritical dont you think of the BBC to cast one of the breeds you included in your ban on the coverage of Crufts. This action from the BBC is typically hypercritical and to be expected. I would reconsider the judgement you placed in the individual who had the bright idea to use one the breeds you have issues with, as it was not one of there best.

> I haven't had a reply yet!

Nor me.  I am rather hoping that means they are taking more time to consider it properly.   Ha Ha Ha.

Maybe they have discovered that they DO have more than 10 complaints after all ;)

> Maybe they have discovered that they DO have more than 10 complaints after all

I think they left them unopened in their in tray so that they did not have to cross their fingers behind their backs when they said that.

Same standard response for me ...

M.

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And to me!!!!

same here as well :)