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Topic Dog Boards / Breeding / Stupid Panacur (& stupid me!)
- By Harmony Date 09.07.06 22:47 UTC
For fear of making myself look & sound really, really stupid, here goes nothing!

My puppies are now 5 weeks old & due for their 2nd worming.  After having problems with Drontal Puppy with my last litter I thought I'd use Panacur this time.  They had their first treatment at 3 weeks.  Nothing abnormal to report, they were a bit smelly for a day or two but no squity bums. 

Anyway, tonight I thought I had better do them again.  According to the instructions it say's; 0.5ml per 1kg bodyweight.  My pups average out at 2.5kg so you'd think 1.25ml.  Me being the stupidist person gave them an average of 2.5ml & it was only as I went to do the last puppy that I realised :(

As soon as I had realised I phoned the Vet straight up who was very good & calm & said that it was nothing to worry about & they should be ok but obviously if there is any problems then to take them in for a check up.

I've just been on to the Intervet website which also say's 0.5ml per 1kg bodyweight but then doseage as below;

Practical dosage recommendations:

Up to 1 kg  -  0.5 ml daily for 3 days              1 to 2 kg  -  1 ml daily for 3 days

2 to 4 kg  -  2 ml daily for 3 days                   4 to 6 kg  -  3 ml daily for 3 days

etc.................


Now am I really that stupid or am I missing something?  According to the above, I've maybe only given upto 0.5ml too much, which yes is bad enough but just doesn't make sense  :confused:  I've emailed Intervet asking for their advice but would welcome any from here as well please.

Has anyone else done this?  If you prefer to PM me then I will keep anything in the strictest confidence.

As this is normally a 3 day regime, the Vet recommended I don't do the other 2 doses, just worm again at 7 weeks. 

I've slapped my own wrists & the puppies have loved the extra cuddles from their stupid Mummy :rolleyes:

Lesson for the day; don't do important things when you're poorly & full of tablets :rolleyes:
- By Brainless [gb] Date 10.07.06 05:40 UTC
I weigh each pup individually and dose a pup that say weighs 2 1/2 kg only 1ml and wouldn't do 1.5ml until it was 3kg or over.

I have had very squitty pups in the past when I have wormed them especially if I wormed 3 times as now suggested, so I do them at 3 and 7 weeks, but I do worm the bitch in whelp so the resulting pups should have minimal worm burdens, which is why I suspect they had reactions in the past.

Never had a problem with first two litters whose Mums were wormed and I wormed at 3 weeks and before they went, but had terrible problems when I did the 3, 5, and 8 week regime, (the problems were with the 5 week worming, and to lesser extent the 8 week).  so from fourth litter with same Mum and same number of pups went back to 3 and 7 weeks, and have had no problems ever since (another 6 litters).

A friend nearly lost some of a litter they were so bad, and she now does the same as me with no problems.
- By Harmony Date 10.07.06 11:02 UTC
Thanks :)

All the puppies were individually weighed & I thought, dosed accordingly but obviously they weren't :(

Anyway, good news so far :)  Puppies are their normal happy, bouncy selves & upto mischief :D  I've so far not had any runny poo's or squits.

Intervet phoned me at 9am this morning, asked me breed, how much they actually weighed & how much I'd actually given.  The lady said that they should be ok but that they may get a bit of tummy ache & maybe a bit squitty.  She did say she would log the incident so that if there is any further problems it is already recorded.  The lady also said that if I wanted I could do them again in a week but I said that I'll leave them now until they're 7 weeks.

Thanks again everyone, I still can't believe what a stupid mistake I made :rolleyes:

Just to add, their Mum was treated from day 42 until 2 days post whelp with Panacur without any problems & they certainly don't appear to be wormy puppies.
- By onetwothree [gb] Date 10.07.06 07:28 UTC
I've heard that Panacur is a very safe wormer, becauses doses much higher than the recommended dose can be given (by accident) without serious side effects.  So hopefully you'll be ok!
- By ponk [gb] Date 10.07.06 10:35 UTC
Im sure they will be ok. I think the worming instructions are quite involved, and to be honest I find it a bit scary too. When I worm I make my mum sit with me and double check all the doses just in case I get it wrong. I also weigh them individually, try not to worry too much.
- By Harmony Date 10.07.06 11:08 UTC
Thanks 123 :)  The lady from Intervet told me that in tests they go upto 40 times the recommended doseage without any problems!  Apart from the last pup I did, the others received upto a max 0.5ml more than they should have.  So far eveything is ok so fingers crossed it will remain that way.
- By JeanSW Date 12.07.06 19:59 UTC
I trust my vet implicitly and had long discussions about Panacur liquid prior to even having my bitch mated.  He is a specialist small animal vet, and I do have great faith in him. Because I can't remember the figures, I won't try to quote them.  But I do remember him discussing tests on Panacur and the overdose rates that cause no problems were extremely high.  I know that he was emphatic that it was safe.  I wormed my bitch during pregnancy at the recommended times.  The pups were wormed at 14 days for 3 days as recommended, and again at 5 weeks.  They aren't 8 weeks yet, so I can only comment on what has happened so far.  I have had no signs of worms, and no upset puppies.  This is a toy litter, so if problems were going to be seen I would have expected it in the smallest pup which weighed 400gms at 5 weeks.  I understand that pups can be squidgy if full of worms, but as Mum had been done, I haven't had a problem.
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