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By paxo
Date 09.02.06 14:58 UTC

2 day old pup screams and then goes rock hard like he's wooden for 10 to 15 seconds and stops breathing.
then goes limp and back to normal but gasps for a couple of minutes and then recovers.What could it be.I thought first of all it could be wind as I did bottle feed him last night, but he has been suckling from his mum today and it still happens.
By sallyk
Date 09.02.06 15:18 UTC
obviously he needs the vet immediately, sounds like a fit
By paxo
Date 09.02.06 15:25 UTC

HE'S going down to the vet shortly I was just hoping someone may of experienced this
before with a pup so at least they could advise me of the outcome so I know what i am facing.
Not sure if its a fit, sounds like the wee mite is in pain. Seek veterinary advice asap. Why was he bottle fed last night?
By paxo
Date 09.02.06 15:32 UTC

He was bottle fed cos the others keep knocking him off and mum keeps pushing him away so I kept him with me and fed him through the night and kept him warm.I suspect it is puppy fading syndrome but I don't know if thats causing the other problem.

sounds like his mother knows something is wrong.
By paxo
Date 09.02.06 15:36 UTC

yes I agree anna but I still want to do what I can for him I know deep down its not good news, I had a pup with pfs once before and there isn't a lot we can do to help them. but it never did what this pup is doing.
Unfortunately it doesn't sound good what with mum not wanting anything to do with him. Hope all goes OK at the vets and I'll be thinking of you, does sound a bit like FPS.

If he's the only one his mum's rejected it sounds as though she knows best. :(
By Fillis
Date 09.02.06 15:43 UTC

Dont want to be alarmist, but please bear in mind that if mum doesnt want anything to do with him, she may (only may) reject the others if you keep putting him back, so please watch her like a hawk.
By paxo
Date 09.02.06 15:45 UTC

Does fps cause this rigidness and going rock hard
By paxo
Date 09.02.06 15:49 UTC

ok i am now leaving in a few minues to go to vet. I will let you know the outcome when I get back.thanks for everyones help, much appreciated.

good luck

I had a pup do this at a few days old and got it breathing again. At 13 days he was put to sleep. Vet sadi it was Liver shunt, where the changes to the liver that are emant to occur after birth fail to happen. the pup was very large born, and gained hardly any weight.
By paxo
Date 09.02.06 16:52 UTC

Sadly little one didn't make it to the vets, he died shortly after we left on the way there.
Any way thanks to everyone for your help and advice.At least he's at peace now.Bless him
So sorry to hear that Paxo :-(
R.I.P. Little one xx

RIP little one.
i am sure the mum knew and she will have known best.
better for it to happen now than for the little one to suffer
hope you are ok

That's sad news. :( Animal mums are very clever at detecting when something's wrong.
By Lokis mum
Date 09.02.06 17:06 UTC
Sorry to read your news - as JG says, the bitch's instincts are so strong .
sorry to hear your sad news :( Thinking of you.
so sorry to hear that but the mothers definitely do seem to know. Whenever a mother has treated a pup like that no matter what I've tried to do they've never survived.
Hope that the others are all doing well.
By jane
Date 09.02.06 17:50 UTC

Sorry to hear your sad news. Thinking if you
Jane
By paxo
Date 09.02.06 18:23 UTC

Thanks to you all
paxo
By Blue
Date 09.02.06 21:38 UTC

Sorry to hear that. I had one the same , so didn't post as it only lasted a couple hours after the " fits".
Nature is hard at times.
So sorry for your loss, its so sad, good luck with the rest regards debbie.
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