I had to take one of my girls to the vets the other day for her booster, while i was there a lady came in with 9 Labradoodle puppies about 12 weeks old to be put to sleep as she can't sell them or even give them away.
The vet tried to change her mind and said that he really did not want to do it, so she left them in the waiting room and went home.
When i was chatting to the vet he said that he has had severel people asking him to put litters of puppies down as they cannot sell them  i asked him about the litter that was there at the moment and he said that he would try and put them into rescue but all the rescues are bursting at the seams.
He also said that lots of people are having dogs put down because there is no point breeding from them anymore as there is no market for puppies, but the sad thing is most of them are the designer dog types that people thought they would make money from after THAT PROGRAMME.
He said the world would be a better place if people stopped and thought things through before breeding the s**t out of dogs to make a few bucks.

Oh if only people did!!

Peanuts

Just awful - and what a terrible position to have left your vet in :(

I've noticed of late that Labradoodles are more commonly advertised at around £350 - £450 whereas earlier this year they were commonly advertised at £900 - £1000.   There were a few recently in this week's papers, in particular a litter with several still available advertised in one of the main tabloids this weekend - stating both parents KC registered, so presumably a first cross, health tested and from champion stock (!), 12 weeks pups, DLRC registered, sire and dam could be seen. 

These types of adverts have been common place for so long they rarely even catch my eye, it was more the lower price bracket and the fact that several were still available at 12 weeks and of course alarm bells going with the Santa season in full swing.

More commonly seen these days are cocker/poodle crosses or other smaller breeds such as bichons and shih tzu :(  Prices are still high for these and adverts abound with them 'ready for Christmas'.

The Labradoodle may well have become a victim of it's own success with PFs and BYBs being drawn to the previous 'big bucks' that a foolish and uneducated public would hand over for this 'new' breed   More rescue centres dumped with these gangly mites which don't really seem to fit the lifestyle of any family, more pts as uncontrollable, dumped anywhere because they can't be sold - yet who records the fate of these poor creatures?   Just how many have no true promise of a place by the hearth for life?  However many, it's too many and yet there's been no word or mention of how any measures will be taken against the pond life that produce these miserable little creatures with bleak and often short futures :(

It's desperately and crushingly sad - all the more so because it's so unnecessary :( :( :(

Why didn't that person think about homes before they bred there dogs. I think people who dump pups in this way should be made to spay  there dogs so they cant breed for them again.  Very sad :(

> Why didn't that person think about homes before they bred there dogs

Because they only thought of the money they'd make and how they'd spend it :(  Banging our heads off a wall!

Now that's a TV programme waiting to be made...that owner ought to be named, shamed and forced to look after all the pups or pay the equivalent of what she expected to earn in selling them so that a proper home can look after them.

With the credit crunch people can not afford to keep their pets let alone think about buying a pup with all costs that entails.
A friend of mine had pedigree tested pups a couple months ago and had to reduce the price of them due to the hard time of finding homes luckily only for 3 of them as most went.

It does by this sad story look as if the owner had breed her dog to of made some money for herself this Christmas which back fired badly, and the costs of raising a litter are £ 100's up until their 12 weeks old!

This is why mandatory micro chipping should be enforced then the rscpa could of gone around to her house and insisted she neuter her dog and had a go at this person. With all the misery this has caused her hopefully she would not do this again? Sadly some low-life's don't think of the dogs involved only the amount of money to be made.  

Lets hope some organisation came and rescued these pups?

this is so, so sad it makes me cry for the little pups, and i hope to god that homes are found for them and they weren't PTS.

people (sorry sub-humans) should be prosecuted, as far as i'm concerned, and banned from owning any animals.  what goes round comes round!  this is such a thoughtless, despicable, unforgiveable thing to do.

That's an awful story. :( This sort of thing really needs to be shouted about so people realise breeding puppies is not a way to make money. Hopefully it will have taught one person a lesson at least.

How awful, poor puppies I do hope they can find good homes for them. :(

> With the credit crunch people can not afford to keep their pets let alone think about buying a pup with all costs that entails

I agree that the credit crunch may well stop some people being able to afford a new pet, but it makes my blood boil that so many people appear to be giving up thier pets due to the credit crunch. I imagine there are a few genuine cases, but I bet 99.9% of people who have given up thier pets due to money are still managing to spend £100's on Christmas - one day of the year.

Poor little puppies, it's so sad. Thier little lifes are so bleak, thanks to people wanting to make money from them :( Why can't something be done to stop this :(

> Because they only thought of the money they'd make and how they'd spend it :-( Banging our heads off a wall!

So true :-(

That is truly awful. I hope she feels so ashamed of herself
Makes me livid.

Wonder what the vet will do for them. Poor poor puppies. Uneccesarily brought into a world to end up God knows where. Little loves.

Thats horrible, i dont know how you could live with yourself. sadly dachshund pups are going up in price not down!! But crosses are more and more available.

> I imagine there are a few genuine cases, but I bet 99.9% of people who have given up thier pets due to money are still managing to spend £100's on Christmas - one day of the year.
>

I couldn't agree more.

No matter how tight money became I would not give up my dogs, I would cut down on our own food and every other conceivable expense, all of the extras would go, everything. They are not 'things' to be disposed of they are members of the family.

People that breed dogs with £££ signs in their eyes are evil

just a question, i was wondering where your vet is situated? are there maybe parts of the country this is happening to more than others?

Thats awful, really makes me so mad and i agree, that person should be named and shamed!! Why are programmes never done on problem that actually need sorting, instead situations like this get pushed to that back and innocent people get blamed for things instead!!

This person should be ashamed and i hope she gets her comuppance (cant spell sorry) :)

I hope the vet does manage to re home them though, poor vet being put in that position thats terrible, is there not even a law or something that stops people doing this? You cant just put something down because you cant look after it when its in full health thats ridiculous!!

>is there not even a law or something that stops people doing this? You cant just put something down because you cant look after it when its in full health thats ridiculous!!

It wasn't ridiculous during the last war when food rationing meant that thousands of dogs were put to sleep. There's nothing cruel or even inhumane about putting animals to sleep, upsetting though it is for the people involved. If you can't look after an animal properly it's better to put it to sleep than allow it to suffer. That's one of the responsibilities of ownership.

It is so shamefull if you cannot keep the pups you should not breed them.
That person is disgracefull there are no words printerabull.***********.
Hope they find those poor little ones a good homes

Thats really sad - I really hope the poor pups find homes :-(

There does seem to be a horrible idea in todays society that people can breed their dogs to make a quick buck, I never used to find this but it seems to have escalated in the last few years. My friend recently got a dog for the first time and before I had given her a lecture when she was deciding whether to go for a dog or bitch, she had the idea that she could "stud" the dog and make loads of money, or breed the bitch (thankfully my lecture seems to have worked and she is no longer considering it).

Teri I too have noticed how the prices of pups advertised in the papers seem to have gone down. Yet it still puzzles me that some naive people will still, despite the financial climate, go to these multi breed outlets and pay top dollar for something that barely even resembles the breed.

> If you can't look after an animal properly it's better to put it to sleep than allow it to suffer. That's one of the responsibilities of ownership.

the ultimate act of resposibility, your absolutely right.

i heard of a weimeraner litter suffering same fate a few months back...and on another site I visit, people are advertising their litters as "reduced price to clear" :( :( because they cant sell them. I heard of a woman not so far from me with a whippet litter, a lurcher litter and a toy breed litter and almost having to give them away :(

I think as sad as this story is, and how so many of us don't like to think about the end for any animal, we must remember, there are many fates far far worse than death, especially for those who cannot defend themselves.

C

> there are many fates far far worse than death, especially for those who cannot defend themselves.
>

indeed. and many worse deaths than falling asleep.

i would hope that a good breeder would have a waiting list BEFORE breeding a litter but we are not talking about good breeders here are we?

No and this is the sort of "breeder" that a TV programme should be highlighting and someone should tell the public that a KC registration is not a gold standard when buying a puppy.

I had an interesting conversation the other day with a lady who said she thought it was ok to go to anyone who KC registered their puppies. I did warn her to do her research and be very careful.

I would imagine that even the good breeders who thought they had a waiting list are also very much feeling the knocks at the moment. An awful lot can happen in the four months between a bitch being mated and the puppies being ready to go to their new homes, and people really do seem to be losing their jobs left, right and centre.

Worse times to come ...

M.

>>It wasn't ridiculous during the last war when food rationing meant that thousands of dogs were put to sleep. There's nothing cruel or even inhumane about putting animals to sleep, upsetting though it is for the people involved. If you can't look after an animal properly it's better to put it to sleep than allow it to suffer. That's one of the responsibilities of ownership. >>

That's a very good point sad as it is there are worse thing than being pts :-(

This is so very sad-I really hope these poor puppies find good homes.I think I'll show this thread to my neighbour who is planning on breeding labradoodles from her young lab bitch.
My local vets had 16 8 week old springer pups handed in to them last week,another breeder who can't sell puppies they've given little thought to breeding.

go to these multi breed outlets and pay top dollar for something that barely even resembles the breed.

i think i know why 1. they take credit cards 2. there are no questions asked of new 'owners' to ensure that pups go to responsible homes.

very sad :-(

angela

> and the costs of raising a litter are £ 100's up until their 12 weeks old!
>
>

Try four figures, on average a litter will cost me about £1500 - £1800 with stud fees, travel health testing etc.  ind you I don't suppose that breeder paid stud fees, travelled or health tested.

>>> It wasn't ridiculous during the last war when food rationing meant that thousands of dogs were put to sleep. There's nothing cruel or even inhumane about putting animals to sleep, upsetting though it is for the people involved. If you can't look after an animal properly it's better to put it to sleep than allow it to suffer. That's one of the responsibilities of ownership. >>
> That's a very good point sad as it is there are worse thing than being pts :-(

This is one reason breeds had Gene pool bottlenecks, not stupid greedy breeders wanting to breed mutants as some would over simplistically imply.

Yes did that wrong some!
only remember that 15 years ago my sister raised a litter of 9 weim's [from imported german bitch] it cost her £700- that did not include travel fee's/ stud fee to breeder stud etc!

So must be small fortune now!

> I had to take one of my girls to the vets the other day for her booster, while i was there a lady came in with 9 Labradoodle puppies about 12 weeks old to be put to sleep as she can't sell them or even give them away.

Point me in the direction of that selfish woman so I can give her a good hard slap is about all I can say right now as reading  this thread had made me so angry if i said what i really wanted to say about her i would get banned off this forum.
I really really hope those poor pups found good homes ,but it wouldnt suprise me if they hadnt :(

Maybe the makers of "That programme" should do a programme on this sort of thing and name and shame that kind of breeder.....
Bet they wont though

I do not breed/show nor have I seen the program (no BBC and internet is on dial up so no watching online). However, I do run a rescue and I, along with many other rescues here, have noticed a steady rise in breeders trying to get rid of litters they can't sell. No one has mentioned the program to me, they all say it's due to the credit crunch and peeps not having as much money so spend as they had before. Some of these litters have papers and were booked before they were born but the buyers jumped ship because of the costs involved. This is not third hand knowledge this is what I have been told by the breeders trying to place their 4 or 5 months old litters in rescue. :(

Edited to add: Rehoming is as slow as never before in the 11 years since I founded my rescue. Regardless of the breed or x breed of the dogs in rescues and I am not the only one who is experiencing this.

I'm just glad I have decided not to mate my girl - as you can imagine, selling Cavalier puppies is not easy at the moment! I do want a puppy to continue my line, so I can only hope this blows over in another 9 or 10 months so I can mate her another time. :-(

You wouldn't think so when you see 26 pages of Cavalier pups on the famous BYBs website! :(  What on earth will happen to all those poor little souls? :(

its not just dogs....was talkin to a friend whod just taken youngsters to the sales (TB) and they had taken 6 and come home again with 5....and some of the best bred ones there!

puppies are full pedegree but due to endoresments on KC papers the pups will not come with KC papers so not KC registered pictures or available on request

this was on the famous BYB site too
advertising a large breed with over 80 odd adds
seems even if you endorse your litter
people just totally ignore it
and breed anyway
i just pity all these poor pups
god help the breed  rescue,s 

Just to let you all know , i rang the vet and asked about the pups, the vet did not put them to sleep , they have been taken by the local rescue center and two have been placed in homes.
I hope the rest are found homes soon.

Peanuts

good news that some kid soul has taken them in...
only now for the little mites to find forever homes.. thats were its gets hard now for any dog/pup at the moment.

So glad I went with my gut instinct and kept the boy [ Starsky] that is here now with me.

this is more and more common, we took in a litter of springer pups a couple of months since when the breeder couldn't afford to feed them as they had got to 12 weeks old, i have a 4 month old pup here now, and we also have a litter of springer x labs that arrived after the mum was handed in, in pup, as the OP said all in rescue are bursting at the seems at the moment and people are thinking twice about taking on a dog

Hi Peanuts, thanks for letting us know.  just keep thinking about those poor little pups, they never asked to be brought into this world and deserve so much better.  will be keeping fingers crossed they all find lovely homes. x

That's good news peanuts.....Soooooo glad none of them have been pts.
Hope the reast of the pups find nice homes soon

whaqt great news.
here's hoping the others find a new home soon.
xx

Thanks for the update peanuts

I hope they all have great forever homes soon after the terrible start they've had - all dogs deserve better!

Phew, thank goodness for that!

i see the op lives in wales? i did ask but she didnt answer so i can assume it was a litter from a puppy farm? only a byb would be so uncaring as to have a litter pts

Yes i do live in South Wales , but the litter not from a puppy farm, from a family who thought that they have a litter to make money for xmas the vet knows the family.
Not everyone in Wales is a puppy farmer !!!
Assuming things all the time is not good and will lead to rumours !!

Peanuts

but the litter not from a puppy farm, from a family who thought that they have a litter to make money for xmas the vet knows the family.


In responsibility terms they are both the same to me.  One irresponsible litter is the same as the next. Worse a cross breed litter .

However you are right the location is immaterial.

Whatever I may think of the breeder in breeding the pups in the first place and with no waiting list etc.

I think it is even sadder that this person raised the litter for 12 weeks, whether just for money or from just wishing to have a go! And then after all that hard work, which it is, had to take them to be pts, I think that is heartwrenchingly sad, the breeder must have been devastated, (unless she was out and out heartless and only saw the £ signs) but giving her the benefit of the doubt she must have bonded with the little mites, how can you not. She learnt a terribly sad lesson at the expense of the pups.

I'm glad that the vet has declined for now to put them to sleep and is trying to place them, but they may well have to end up that way.

It is a very sad story.