just recieved an email from an email address i dnt recongnise its about that program, this is what it says
Hello Dog Lovers Since the damaging BBC documentary Pedigree dogs exposed the Kennel club have asked parliament to give them statutory legal powers, we do not think it is right to give them this power,they are a private commercial club and this would make them a monopoly, also this would mean every dog breeder (all breeds) in the uk would have to be a member of their kc Accredited breeder scheme or be unlawful/Illegal! if you support Freedom of choice for breeders please sign our petition.We are not anti-kc but we are against them having statutory powers.click on the following link or copy and paste it to your browser.
i dnt no how they got my email address as i never really sign up for anything, the email was marked as unsafe by my computer
its against the kc by what it sounds once, surely its a good thing if the kennel club has power over breeding, and this is the first i have even heard of this

Although you may not know the person this indeed is a fact, one of which I am still against.  Oh and to add I do health test my dogs and I'm not an accredited breeder either through my own choice.

This is the exact same text as on a "well known other" dog register website that was set up by I believe the pet shop people.

Someone recently sent me the link as they were alarmed not by the KC but the lengths "these" other registers will go to gain members..

Didn't realise it was from then, I think the e-mail I meant was where the government were wanting to take the reigns which I do not agree with!!

I had the same email but just deleted it so didnt look at the link.

I too do health tests on my dogs and am not a part of the ABS either because I believe they need to change a few things first before I would even consider it.  Like making more health tests mandatory not advisable and the main thing that really annoys me about it is that you can join having never even breed or registered a litter before!!!

I have seen more adverts and emails from other dog registering sites since that programme, I think they are just seeing the pound signs.

Emma

This is the header from the e mail-says it all really & nothing slanderous or libellous in publishing the header from an e mail

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> the main thing that really annoys me about it is that you can join having never even breed or registered a litter before!!!
>

Would you like to see them breeding outwith the requirements for a while?  If they are ready and able to meet the requirements why should they not join straight away?

I would like them to breed at least one planned litter as they may not know anything about dog breeding.  How do they know what sort of after sales care should be provided and if they are breeding to a good standard.  I am personally waiting for them to introduce a tiered system for the scheme before I will consider joining as it doesnt really stand for anything yet so i wont pay to have that stamp on my affix as I rarely advertise and people come to me for a puppy/dog so they dont need this extra selling tactic which is all I see it as at the moment.

Emma

>Would you like to see them breeding outwith the requirements for a while?

No, I'd like all breeders, including those producing crosses and mongrels, adhere to or exceed the ABS requirements. But I wouldn't allow them to become fully accredited until they'd proved they could actually deliver! Many professionals don't become fully qualified until they've passed various practical exams to prove their skills, so I believe that breeders, like groomers or behaviourists, should have had some practical experience in the field before being granted accreditation. Theory is important, but it's not enough on its own IMO.

> I would like them to breed at least one planned litter as they may not know anything about dog breeding.

I'd like to see them learn before they start.

> I am personally waiting for them to introduce a tiered system for the scheme

The scheme does have the accolades.  The point of the scheme is not to reward but to set a standard and encourage people to adhere to it right from the start. The scheme depends on buyer feedback, if breeders are not signed up there is no system to determine whether they are satisfactory.  When they are in, there is.

> I rarely advertise

I see nothing wrong in advertising in itself, not that that is the point of this scheme.  What matters is how you vet the buyers or bitch owners for your stud dogs but I do see you have a page on this site which is read by many thousands :-)

The scheme depends on buyer feedback, if breeders are not signed up there is no system to determine whether they are satisfactory.  When they are in, there is.

I think that breeders not adopting the scheme but feeding back information to the KC via the breed clubs is a way for the KC to determine that at the moment we dont believe it is satisfactory.  And as I have seen the ABS stamp being used by many byb breeders who have no interest in the breed the feedback from this type of breeder if the owner can be bothered to send in the comments is not worth much as a buyer who has gone to that type of breeder in the first place doesnt know much either.

I am for the scheme but not in its current state and the KC and my breed clubs know my view.

Emma

> we dont believe it is satisfactory.

Who's we?  There are several breed club members in the scheme currently showing on the lists of litters of Dachshunds and many of them hold stud book numbers.  A full house of breed club members for the ABS breeders in the wires :-)

Who's we?
Of course I cant speak for every member of every club but the clubs I am involved with have very mixed feelings on the ABS and a lot have the same feelings as I do.  I wont name names as it is not necessary.

> the clubs I am involved with have very mixed feelings on the ABS

It was the Dachshund lists I was talking about. 

No, I'd like all breeders, including those producing crosses and mongrels, adhere to or exceed the ABS requirements. But I wouldn't allow them to become fully accredited until they'd proved they could actually deliver! Many professionals don't become fully qualified until they've passed various practical exams to prove their skills, so I believe that breeders, like groomers or behaviourists, should have had some practical experience in the field before being granted accreditation. Theory is important, but it's not enough on its own IMO

Fully agree.

Was at a show the other day and my mentor asked someone (who started with his 'stock'), why had she become an Accredited Breeder. Answer: 'you can sell your puppies easier'. Think that just about says it all!