Just saw this on Dog World website ??

http://www.dogworld.co.uk/News/50-Crufts-BBC

Aww thats a shame, it gets all of us who cannot get to crufts a chance to be there with frineds and family...i think even if you do not show alot of people used to look forward to watching all the different bits agility obedience etc, its a real shame!

Angela.

Who knows how acrimonious the negotiations have been but it is a shame that they could not have combined their efforts to show the quality of well bred dogs and the moves that are being made to widen that to include the small number of breeds with serious issues whilst continuing to provide public entertainment.

Not set in stone yet but presumably they feel it is the likely outcome or they'd not have gone to print on it ...

IMO the KC should have taken the ball from the Beebs court at the outset of the debacle and refused to allow them to film at Crufts and put the contract out to ITV or Sky. 

The BBC betrayed the majority of breeders, show goers, all canine competitors across many disciplines and the many thousands of working, therapy, guide dogs, hearing dogs etc as much as it did the KC so why should we, the people who make this programme possible by entering our dogs in the first place, help them make any contribution to the coffers of the Beeb? 

I'm certainly against them covering the show and it doesn't mean a new alliance, hopefully with considerably better information and air time on breeds, more professinal presentation about the show scene in its entirety (although I'd HATE to lose Frank Kane!), can't be struck up with another company.
Any new broadcaster has oodles of 'how not to do it' footage from the BBC to trawl through so should be able to make a significant improvement without too much difficulty :)

IMO the KC should have taken the ball from the Beebs court at the outset of the debacle and refused to allow them to film at Crufts and put the contract out to ITV or Sky. 

i agree

ntlworld.comDate:
Fri, 12 Dec 2008 07:21:16 -0500Subject: Press Release: Crufts 2009 Goes
On Without The BBC

CRUFTS 2009 GOES ON WITHOUT THE BBC
Today the Kennel Club confirmed that it and the BBC will be unable to
continue working together in 2009 for the broadcast of the world's
greatest celebration of dogs, Crufts, which in previous years has
attracted over 14 million viewers in the UK and additional audiences
worldwide. This position was reached after the Kennel Club regrettably
had to refuse to comply with the unreasonable demands insisted on by the
BBC, to exclude certain breeds of dog from the group competition at the
show. These demands took no account of the measures the Kennel Club has
in place to improve the health of pedigree dogs, or of the fact that
judges will be trained to help ensure that all dogs being awarded prizes
at Crufts will be healthy representatives of their breed.

More than ever, Crufts 2009 will set the standard for all future Kennel
Club licensed dog shows and the Kennel Club will be running a
comprehensive education programme for judges to ensure that only the
healthiest dogs are rewarded in the show ring at Crufts 2009 and beyond.

Ronnie Irving, Kennel Club Chairman, said "I am very sorry that BBC
audiences around the world will not be able to join us in celebrating
all dogs in 2009 and to see the remarkable diversity of dogs and
activities on show at Crufts; ranging from the show classes to agility
displays, the Friends for Life competition and the unsung heroes who
take part in breed rescue.

"However, we have been forced to reject the insupportable conditions
imposed by the BBC, who have told us they will only televise the show in
2009 if certain breeds are excluded from participating.We are unable to
agree to these demands, as it would compromise both contractual
obligations and our general responsibility to dog exhibitors and our
audience and we believe it would be inappropriate and counterproductive
to exclude any recognised breed from Crufts.

"We are obviously disappointed and confused with this outcome as we
hoped the broadcast would have supported our focus on health and welfare
issues, given advice about caring for and training dogs and showcased
the charitable work that we support. This TV exposure would have
benefited all dogs and given viewers a well-rounded picture of what the
new Crufts in 2009 is all about."

In October 2008 the Kennel Club announced a clear strategy to show how
it is further focusing its activities on the health and welfare of all
dogs. It announced mandatory compliance with its strict code of ethics
for all breed clubs registered with the Kennel Club.

Earlier this month, it completed its review for each of the 209 pedigree
dog breeds in the UK and announced revised standards that will have
far-reaching benefits for the health and welfare of dogs. These new
breed standards and health plans will benefit from the extensive
research that has been funded by the Kennel Club in conjunction with
renowned veterinary research centres over a number of years. The overall
aim is that all pedigree dogs should be fit for function and that
breeders and judges should not reward dogs with obvious conditions or
exaggerations, which would be detrimental in any way to their health.

Ronnie Irving added, "Crufts is the world's best platform to talk to dog
owners about how we can work together to ensure their dogs' health and
well being and veterinary and scientific experts will be on hand to
explain how research has developed over the last 10 years which can help
us to resolve genetic issues generally.

"Dogs and their owners world wide, look forward to Crufts every year and
I can promise all dog lovers, anywhere in the world, that the show will
go on. I ask all those that care about dogs and animal welfare to
support us and to flock to the show to make it the biggest and best ever.

"Crufts 2009 in particular, will focus on thanking the unsung heroes of
the dog world, such as breed rescue volunteers who work tirelessly to
ensure that unwanted and abandoned dogs find a good home

Well I can't add a thing because Teri said EXACTLY what I think.

Glad I got BIS tickets now! On that line, anyone received theirs yet?

mind you, as TV goes, Crufts always had a sense of watching paint dry about it.

This position was reached after the Kennel Club regrettably
had to refuse to comply with the unreasonable demands insisted on by the
BBC, to exclude certain breeds of dog from the group competition at the
show.

Who do the BBC think they are?!!!!!!!!!

Can't believe the BBC would demand certain breeds were cut from the competition!  That's diabolical!  Unbelievable!  Good on the KC for refusing to give in.

I think I will have to see about coming down for Crufts next year. Seeing as I can't watch it on the tv anymore!

Crufts is sounding a more attractive prospect by the minute - I'll very probably go now :)   Less hustle and bustle and devoid of the circus element made worse still by the BBCs presence alone never mind coverage.  

Now if they'd only get rid of all the stalls that bear no relation to dogdom, drop a hall (or better two!) then it would be far more like a Dog Show Heavens to Murgatroid - that's a radical thought - we can but dream but at least things are moving in the right direction  :-p

Which breeds did they want to 'drop' do you think?

I'd imagine it would be linked to those highlighted in the documentary plus any that Mark Evans found to be 'most mutant' ..... so any with overly short legs, large heads, wrinkly, compromised breathing - hmmm, that sounds more like the exhibitors :-D  add in compromised sight and we'd cover most of the judges too :-p

LOL! :-)

But you have to wonder, did the BBC honestly think that the KC would "bend to their will"?

not likely....apparently they dont even bend to the will of their own members

> so any with overly short legs, large heads, wrinkly, compromised breathing - hmmm, that sounds more like the exhibitors :-D  add in compromised sight and we'd cover most of the judges too :-p

Ooooh you are awful  ........................

but I like you :-D

>not likely....apparently they dont even bend to the will of their own members

Exactly, the way the BBC are allowing Wossy back shows how little they care about the public.

Hooray!!! No more annoying Ben Fogle :D :D :D

Jeangenie

    >not likely....apparently they dont even bend to the will of their own members

Exactly, the way the BBC are allowing Wossy back shows how little they care about the public.

who said i was talking about the bbc

'They' could be the BBC just as easily as the KC in your sentence.

Jeangenie

    >not likely....apparently they dont even bend to the will of their own members

Exactly, the way the BBC are allowing Wossy back shows how little they care about the public.

who said i was talking about the bbc

The BBC exerted bully-boy tactics, which is unacceptable.

not when you see i was replying to Granitecitygirl just above

Now if they'd only get rid of all the stalls that bear no relation to dogdom, drop a hall (or better two!) then it would be far more like a Dog Show

Or even better keep ALL the stalls except breed club ones in one separate hall without dogs!

>The BBC exerted bully-boy tactics, which is unacceptable.

Quite right. The BBC don't make demands on which teams play in the rugby tournaments, or F1 - why should they think they have the right to say which dogs can be shown at Crufts?

I knew who you meant krusewalker - I'd go so far as to drop the word 'apparently' though!  I guess that's as good a reason as any for restricting membership numbers - less members, less to let down, ride rough shod over (I could go on but I'm fighting with a large tree and a large puppy ....... progress, if any, is slow :-p )

> Or even better keep ALL the stalls except breed club ones in one separate hall without dogs!

Marianne for KC Secretary :) :) :) (sorry hun, I want the chair LOL)

i had a feeling they would do this.

So does this mean the BBC is going to ban any "mutant" breeds from any other shows featuring dogs - like Dog Borstal?

All the BBC had to do was not to show any footage of breeds they deemed unhealthy; unless they made it to Best in Show - and then maybe they could have covered the offending pooch with one of those black boxes - or made it look all fuzzy so you couldn't identify it.

Pleeeeeeeeeeeeze - the BBC taking a moral stand?  Not likely - there is something else motivating their withdrawal. 

You can just imagine a chap with a lead and a "censored" sign on the end of the lead lol!

List of disputed breeds now on BBC website:
Basset Hound
Clumber Spaniel
Dogue de Bordeaux
Mastiff
Neopolitan Mastiff
Pekingese
Rottweiler
Shar Pei
St Bernard
Chow Chow
German Shepherd
Bulldog
Rhodesian Ridgeback
Cavalier Spaniel

gutted. i don't think we can make it down this year. i didn't want the bbc showing it after 'that' show but i was hoping someone else would be. any suggestion another channel might?

> Hooray!!! No more annoying Ben Fogle :D :D :D

oh, silver lining :)

Yeh..I've made it onto a BBC list...or at least my little mutants have.

It makes you wonder ( :-) ) just who drew up the list for them.
I doubt whether your average TV Exec would have heard of some of them.

er...why? to the majority of those. i know why they think for the cav, the bulldog, the peke, the pei and the GSD but whats wrong with mastiffs?? or rotties? and clumbers?

I know, it's appalling!  Jemima Harrison has already commented on the BBC Decision on Bev Cuddy's blog.

Can't understand why rotts are even on the list.  Poor Tooolz hope your "little mutants" aren't taking it too badly :-)  I'm hoping one of the breeds on the list will make Best In Show this year (I'm also plugging for a certain standard poodle though).  I really really want to go to Crufts now after seeing the list.  The breed forums are going to be chaos tonight, smoke blasting out of the backs of computers lol from the overload!

> Can't understand why rotts are even on the list.

i know, i've never met a rottie that wasn't in rude good health.

well, to fellow freak lovers and owners isn't it nice to be different if being normal is being that dim? :)

i was already upset that i couldn't go this year, now i am devestated i can't even watch from afar :(

> hope your "little mutants" aren't taking it too badly

Judging from the snores coming from the sofa...I'd say they'll cope :-D

Don't forget to NOT buy your January edition of her rag mag either as otherwise you'll be subjected to a FREE COPY of 'how to save our pedigree dogs' - which if the 'success' of her buddy's travesty of a documentary is anything to go by will ensure that 'oodles', 'chons' and every other kind of what not is vaunted as THE must have when trying to find a healthy family pet (rolls eyes heaven wards)

which one is that? pm me please!

Done :)

for some reason my breed appears in the DW articel but not on the BBC list. How odd!

thanks teri!

why, whats 'freaky' about your guys?

Funny how quick Jemima can reply to that but cant reply to my question of what qualifications she has on the subjects she preaches about.
I for one do not feel comfortable posting anything while she is on this forum.

My mutants arent bothered about being on the TV anyhow :p

well, to fellow freak lovers and owners isn't it nice to be different if being normal is being that dim?

Hear, hear Astarte!  That could almost be my motto.

Well, this should generate a few more column inches for the BBC.  I imagine that is the point of it all.  Up to us to keep doing our bit to present the other side of the story in any way we can.

> Funny how quick Jemima can reply to that but cant reply to my question of what qualifications she has on the subjects she preaches about

or indeed most of our questions.

she is obviously extremely uninformed.

> for one do not feel comfortable posting anything while she is on this forum

i do hope you don't stop because of someone like thats presence. if you do they win

Just a thought, but could rotts be included because of the baby/kids that have been killed by some?

So does this mean the BBC is going to ban any "mutant" breeds from any other shows featuring dogs - like Dog Borstal?

EXCELLENT point indeed.

I guess they couldn't include Boxers (despite their appearance on PDE) as they have one on EastEnders, but Bassets would be okay as the EE Basset ran off and was never seen again........

oh dear I'm so upset........NOT!

Horse and Country will be looking into broadcasting bits of crufts I suppose, depending on how well DD viewings go would be my guess ;)   Sorted boyfriends parents present at least....they have sky, just need a recorder ;) :-D

At least now the show won't be run on BBC Timings, all breeds I hope will make the group and there will be more space or a dog show!!!!!! :-D

> At least now the show won't be run on BBC Timings, all breeds I hope will make the group and there will be more space or a dog show!!!!!!

i'm hoping for ITV and martin clunes.