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- By white lilly [gb] Date 06.12.08 10:42 UTC
1 of the familys that had a pup from us rang me this morning in bits (pups only 4months old ) she as had to rush him to vets with very bad sickness and diahrehia hes pooing out blood and lots of it ,the vet said it could be parvo but hes had his jabs ,hes very very poorly his temp didnt even reg , im worried sick he might die ,so is it right pups can still get parvo even tho there jabed ?
- By WestCoast Date 06.12.08 10:50 UTC
Certainly, but the pup is in the right place whatever is the problem. :)
- By ridgielover Date 06.12.08 11:00 UTC
Unfortunately injected pups can get parvo.  My first RR did back in 1985 when she was 5 months.  She pulled through.  Fingers crossed for the pup.
- By impish [ca] Date 06.12.08 11:32 UTC
Unfortunately, nothing is 100%, but giving the vacinations are the best coarse, as 98% in better than 0
- By WestCoast Date 06.12.08 11:53 UTC
98% ??

I was told by a manufacturer's Vet that only 3 out of every 5 pups vaccinated accept the vaccine because of maternal immunity, which means that 2 out of every 5 owners are walking their dogs unprotected?

I have also found that Vets tend to call any bloody faeces parvo and rarely test to confirm because the treatment would be the same whether it is or isn't.
- By Jeangenie [gb] Date 06.12.08 11:56 UTC
That's the importance of herd immunity.
- By ice_queen Date 06.12.08 12:25 UTC
It could be parvo...it could be many other things, the most important thing is the pup is at the vets where they can find out what it really is a treat for it.

My partners parents recently had a dog being sick and had diarehea with blood in it, they just said it was parvo, I believe it's because he was fed a beef based food and I've told them he needs a chicken diet....Back on chicken diet and he soon returned to self....

I'm not saying this is the case in the pup as this dog was from compleatly different circumstances and was imported from another part of the world where his diet had always been chicken and rice for 8 years.
- By white lilly [gb] Date 06.12.08 13:58 UTC
hi theyv just rang me ,hes no a fluid drip and his gums are looking a little more pink now insted of gray ,hes still loosing alot of blood from his bum but hes stopped being sick ,please keep your fingers cross for him x
- By impish [ca] Date 06.12.08 15:35 UTC
What they say here is that the vacines have a low side of 95% to a high side of 99.99 % for effectiveness after 1 year.
- By WestCoast Date 06.12.08 15:43 UTC
Ah I see.:)  Is that only for the pups that have accepted the vaccination?  Or are you saying that all pups, even if they didn't accept the vaccination due to maternal immunity, have those high levels of immunity after a year?
- By Astarte Date 06.12.08 15:51 UTC
fingers crossed :(
- By white lilly [gb] Date 06.12.08 15:52 UTC
ok im getting alitte confused :( ,i thought if a pup is still feeding from mum when vaccinated it may not be coverd but if the pup asnt had milk from mum for 2weeks before jabs it will work ? am i wrong in thinking this ?
- By WestCoast Date 06.12.08 16:08 UTC
It depends on the level of immunity that the dam has herself and then passes on to her pups. 
But your pup wil get the treatment that it needs at the vet.
- By dollface Date 06.12.08 16:25 UTC
Yes they can- Taz had his jabs and got parvo at 6 months- suprisingly he made it-

All the best for your we pup ((hugs))
- By Goldiemad [gb] Date 06.12.08 18:36 UTC
Fingers crossed here for the little one. You must be so worried, here's hoping the next update you get is more positive.
- By Boxacrazy [in] Date 06.12.08 23:22 UTC
Could be something like gastro enteritis, the bleeding one..(sorry spelling brain deserted me at the mo).
At least he's in the right place to treat him.
- By WestCoast Date 06.12.08 23:43 UTC
Haemorragic enteritis?  Much more common than parvovirus but also very nasty if not treated quickly. :(
- By Boxacrazy [in] Date 07.12.08 07:23 UTC
I had an adult bitch catch this from a dog show (someone had bought a housemate that wasn't poorly to the show) she was very poorly with it.
But with lots of TLC from both my vet and myself she was much better 7-10 days later.
Fully better 14 days from having it.
- By WestCoast Date 07.12.08 09:21 UTC
Thought that I'd post this on here too.

Anyone who is worried should be using bleach on any areas where it is possible and using Parvocide (or similar) to spray in the air, furniture, clothes, hard to reach places in corners etc and making foot baths (a soaked piece of carpet) for everyone coming into the home.

When I have puppies I also spray the whelping box once a day with Parvocide, without the pups in there.

Whether this problem is really parvo, haemorragic enteritis or any other virus, this stuff kills all fungus, bacteria and viruses and was certified by the MAFF decades ago.  I don't understand why it's not used in hospitals!

And of course, if any dog has blood in their faeces, the owner should contact their Vet.
- By Boxacrazy [in] Date 07.12.08 09:44 UTC
I use Safe4
http://www.safe4disinfectant.com/safe4pets.html

Thumbs up from here.
- By impish [ca] Date 07.12.08 10:23 UTC
It will be on all dogs that have received the vaccine, not split by ages.  But from what I have seen over the years that dogs that may come down with parvo or kennel cough more than 30 days after the vaccine do not get as severe of case, much like a child that may get one of the childhood diseases after the vaccine has had the time to produce the immunity.
I do not vaccinate my dogs for at least 2 weeks (try for a month, if I can)  before I am going to show them or have them at a training hall to allow for the vaccine to produce the maximuim ammunity before I make the extra risk of exposure.
- By WestCoast Date 07.12.08 10:28 UTC
dogs that may come down with parvo or kennel cough more than 30 days after the vaccine do not get as severe of case

IF the strain that they come into contact with is covered by the vaccine that they received. :)  Vaccines cover only a minority of the strains. 
- By white lilly [gb] Date 07.12.08 16:53 UTC
she's rang and hes now starting to sit alittle now and then hes lies back now but still its a good sign !!! ,vets now think it might not be parvo but ill know for sure 2morrow , hes still very poorly and not out the woods yet but im staying possive he will be ok ,he dont look like the same dog :( hes just bones bless him x
- By WestCoast Date 07.12.08 16:57 UTC
vets now think it might not be parvo
Sounds about right but whatever it is, the Vet is the right person to be helping him. :)
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