Just did a little search and can buy it online from a site called hyperdrug for about the same price. will get some ordered pronto :) thanks again to all for your advice. Such a wonderful website this :)

IMO if your bitch was up to date with her worming prior to the mating (I worm as soon as season starts) then she should be wormed when you start worming the pups.  I do this at around 2 weeks (a few days before I start weaning as I think it is a lot for little tummies to cope with). I personally don't use Panacur for puppies anymore as I have had a problem in the past and prefer Drontal Puppy but I think this just a personal choice thing as I have seen other posters say the same about Drontal (some just dont seem to suit a litter).  When I have used Panacur 10% on the advice of many far more experienced breederd than myself I have not dome the three day routine - just the one dose and then again at two week intervals.   

Alright i think thats what i am going to do also. do you use the same stuff for the mother as the pups? Also do all dogs go off thier food completly when they are going to give birth? Mines is refusing to eat her dog food today and will only eat chicken if i break it into pieces and give her a little at a time. I want to keep her strength up but i dont know if she is just being fussy and missing out on vital nutrients from her food because she knows i will feed her chicken if she turns her nose up. the vet said she should would have them by today so i know it cant be far off :)

I believe Panacur is the only wormer licensed for dosing pregnant bitches and I have always used it.

Yes all pups will be born with worms from the activated larva that encyst in a bitches tissues, this is how the life cycle of the dog round worm works and the main hosts are pregnant and lactating bitches and puppies.

If wormed with Panacur from day 40 of pregnancy to 3 days post whelping this can reduce the pups worm burden by 98%, so well worthwhile.

Mines is refusing to eat her dog food today

It is not always so, who was it on here who's dog was still eating in-between whelping? :-D I've never known a bitch do that, but it just goes to show there is never a 'norm'.

But........... speaking for myself and most other bitches they completely stop eating when in labour, the moment my girl won't eat I know the pups are coming that day, she also has that look in her eyes, I can see the pain she is feeling. So if she is off her food don't worry, it is pretty normal, as long as she will take a little chicken give it to her, perhaps mix it with a little rice, and some pasturised goats milk will do her the world of good especially after whelping so get some in, very highly recommend it, makes nice scrambled egg too. :-)  But, if she refuses food don't worry it is perfectly natural.

You may have some news in the next 24 hours then................... how exciting!

Well i think something is definatly going to happen, she went out for her walk today but refused to go and kept turning for home, its the first time she has behaved like that. When she got back she had a small amount of clear discharge dripping out, was a very small amount though not waters breaking or anything i dont think. She has become even more clingy than i though possible, she doesnt want to be anywhere but on my knee so i have had to go sit in her box with her till she settles, the puppies look like they are doing somersaults in her tummy and every now and then she seems to freeze and stare at the floor, she has gone to sleep for now though and hasnt been panting at all so might be early hours of tomorow morning :) im just praying things go well.

>It is not always so, who was it on here who's dog was still eating in-between whelping?  I've never known a bitch do that, but it just goes to show there is never a 'norm'

that would be my Tia, Carrington.. Her 1st Litter.. she whelped 5 days early.. ate a huge breakfast, and produced her 1st pup 2hours later.. and snacked in between pups, but then Tia has never done  'normal'

Good luck with the whelping :-)

she went out for her walk today but refused to go and kept turning for home,

Another good sign, as well as the what sounds like the plug giving way, the pups movement should slow and stop when they are in position for whelping so don't worry if you see no movement over the next 24 hours, wishing you all the best, by the way even though she loves her whelping box, she may very well drop her first pup anywhere, and I mean anywhere! She may be confused and not know what to do, or she may take to motherhood like a duck to water. Particularly stay with her with a torch if she needs to use the garden, she will probably wish to go quite often they tend to get the urge pre whelping. Don't take your eyes off her now, and get that coffee pot ready!

KayC, so it was your Tia it is a very funny story. :-D She's one in a million.

I dont think she has any intention of going out, she peed in her whelping box :) cheeky monkey, i dont blame her though its pretty cold out there. Its snowing really heavy here i hope we dont have to go into the vets as im worried about the roads. Been to the shop for some eggs and some chicken soup for her couldnt get goats milk though as its just a little village shop. Well will keep you updated with any news :)

I hope all goes well for you both :)

Good luck, Teri

Any news this morning?

Nope no news yet. She is still leaking but its not much. She hasnt been panting at all yet. I gave her a scrambled egg with chicken mixed through it last night and this morning and she absolutly loves it :) Didnt have to hand feed it to her or anything. She keeps peeing in her whelping box though, even when she has just been out she will go in there to wee. Maybe she thinks it is an ensuite :) Im going through my newspapers quick and the pups havnt even arrived. She is doing some nesting in there and has shredded some of the paper in the bed area. Will keep a good eye on her again today for any changes :)

Are you sure it is wee and not her waters - they don't always go in one gush can leak for a while?

That was my thought.

Well i know some of it at least is wee because its a big yellow puddle when she does it. The stuff leaking from her is clear and like sticky water and its not much, only enough that when she sits down she leaves a wet patch behind her and if you dab her with tissue it is wet. Shes yawning an awful lot just now and huffing and puffing like she is uncomfertable but still isnt panting at all. I moved her blanket a few minutes ago and im not sure if she has been stashing food when my backs turned or if she threw up but there was a pile of egg and chicken hidden away.

You can buy it online from Canine Chemists. They deliver very quickly and will be cheaper than your vet!

Edit: Sorry, didn't read page 2! Duh!!!!

Any news for us yet?

Still no pups and not much change in the way she is acting appart from now she is completly off her food, havnt been able to tempt her with anything since breakfast so hopefully it wont be much longer now :) will keep you all updated.

Still no sign of them. I was really tired last night so took her to bed with me for a nap and she had great fun digging and nesting about it the duvet :)  she stayed there the whole night and this morning woke me up and seemed to be very anxious. She has thrown up this morning and seems very jumpy. she has had some breakfast though so im not sure what to think. Also the puppies feel like they are lying more horizontal today and are only kicking a little.

Still no puppies. She has had a good appitite today and wanted to go out for a short walk this afternoon, we only took her across the road and back again though as her tummy was dragging through the snow in the deep bits. The discharge is still there but seems to be getting a bit less watery now but still clear.

Good grief, tell her to get her finger out - smartish!

I'm not sure I would have been ermm 'brave' enough to let her into my bed with me!!! But I am very obssesive about my bedding and buy new every year and wash quilt about 4 times a year too! I even bought a Dyson Washer ;-) Knowing my luck I'd have ended up with a bed of puppies and placentas and I would probably refuse to sleep in the bed again! Hope something happens soon!

Well to be fair i didnt plan to sleep the whole night with her in there, i was planning on waking up after an hour but slept right through :) I put a foot stool next to the bed so she could get up and down if she wanted to but im sure if it was time they would have been in the bed :) My first dog as a child had a litter of puppies in my mums bed, it was a border collie and had 7 pups right next to her, she didnt even wake up till it started to get cold and wet. the way i was feeling last night i didnt really care about what might happen to the bed, i was like a zombie lol :) Hopefully not much longer to go.

Still no puppies. I risked another night of her in bed with me though only 4 hours this time and in that time she threw up all down the side of the bed. Whoops. Needless to say im not in the good books today, wasnt my side of the bed she did it on :) she isnt eating again today. will update with any news, Kim

What were you planned sleeping arrangements for when she does whelp.  Can't you bring them into plan now?  I sleep on a futon in the kitchen from about day 60 and I think I actually get to sleep better for it.  I am more relaxed knowing I will wake and be right there if she needs me.

I was planning on sleeping on the sofa as her whelping box is in the living room but its so uncomfortable ive been finding it hard to go to sleep until im in my bed. Ive been leaving it as late as i can before taking her through with me to make sure there are no signs of labour and that way i know its only a few hours before my partner will be up to watch her. I know i will have to move through there for the first couple of weeks after they are born though to keep an eye on them all.

Think my girl might be going into labour :) !! She has been panting heavily for the last hour and is really restless, she is shaking a little also and digging her bedding out of her box. fingers crossed this is it this time :)

Sounds like you are in for a busy evening/night.  Good luck.

Im really worried...she still hasnt had them :( she has been panting off and on all night and digging around like crazy but she hasnt had any contractions that i have seen. i was reading up about primary uterine inertia last night and am so worried about her getting that because she looks really stretched. I also read that the first stage of labour can take 36 hours but usually takes 6 to 12, its been 17 hours she has been panting, although she has been sleeping for an hour at a time in between, i dont know if i could wait till 36. How long should i leave her?

What's her temperature doing?

i dont have a thermometer :(  she does feel quite warm, her nose is wet and warm and inside her ears is realy hot but her gum colour is normal. Do you think i should send my partner out to get a thermometer or is it too late to be taking her temperature?

Ive rang the vets and they want me to take her in at 2.30 to have a look at her. I hope im doing the right thing and it doesnt upset her too much :(

If you're that worried I would call a Vet! Better to be safe than sorry, if she's past the point of her 'peak' temperature indicating labour is imminent, then getting a thermometer isn't really going to tell you a lot, unless she has an infection simmering, in which case you need a Vet for that too! Best of luck, Dawn

Right, well done! I had just posted but I'll leave it there for others to see if that's ok with you? Best of luck, you're doing the right thing with taking her there...unless they could come out to you? More expensive I know, but at least she will be in her own environment and be less stressed that way! Hope everything is ok, Dawn

Just caught up with this - I think you're doing the right thing having her checked by the vet now.  Please let us know how she gets on.

Best wishes, Teri

then getting a thermometer isn't really going to tell you a lot

It certainly would.  If her temperature is back up to normal or above, then the bitch needs unzipping!  Knowing how to read the thermometer results was the first thing that I was taught by my mentor.
But I agree, with an inexperienced owner, the Vet should be the first point of call.

I'm on the edge off my seat with this thread, every time I see new posts added I'm hoping for good news of healthy puppies. I really hope everything goes well for you and your girl at the vets.
Sending positive thoughts to you both.
Paula

So it wasn't the wrong advice then? Especially as there isn't a base line to work from?

:) everything is fine for now. The vet said there didnt seem to be any problems yet, she isnt dilated but her temprature has dropped. If they are not here by 8.30 tomorrow morning though she wants to do a c - section. The first thing she did when she got home was steal the other dogs dog food so i have given her some puppy food and she didnt turn her nose up at all, she hardly ate anything yesterday so must have been starving. Fingers crossed there will be some good news tonight :)

Ahh good news then Hun, glad she is ok and all the best for tomorrow! We'll be thinking of you and looking in to find the post with how many pups!!!

To be honest if she was panting yesterday and this morning, could be another 12 hours or so...all the best and fingers and paws crossed for you all XxX

Im not 100% sure but she seems to be having contractions. She had what appeared to be three small pushes at 2.52 then again at 3.02  i think they are actually coming now.  shes having another better go! :)

Wow - the trip in the car must have got her going.  Good luck.

Usually when the shaking starts they are very near so I would expect them today.

Take notes when you notice pushing starting from the beginning and between pups.  Vital information if a problem arises.

Owww, I can't go and tidy up now! I have to watch for pups! :-) Not that I need much of an excuse!

Been following this thread too,it looks like puppies are on their way or are already here ,good luck and enjoy .

im on the edge of my seat too good luck

I know!!! How sad are we? Getting excited at someone elses pups! :-)

i know ive just got in from work and nephew nagging to go on computer i dont wanna go just incase i miss somthing lol

I know good ain`t it,I am washing all my vet beds and keep checking thread.I am due puppies about 20th December and will go through it all myself .

Just got in & had to check how things were going on this one looks like you are in business at last. Good luck hope to hear more before to long.

They are here!! One boy and one girl :) mum is coping fantastically. Im a little worried though as we have had no placentas and both puppies were attatched very close to the mum so i couldnt tie of the cords, the first one ripped free and was bleeding heavily, we managed to stop it with some string but it lost alot of blood. the second one i had to break the cord with my nail to get it free as it sounded like it was struggling to breath. Mum got very distressed when we were tying off the cords and was barking at us every time they squeeked. i think there might be more pups to come but mum is having a little rest for the moment. how long should i wait for the placentas to appear? we have a vets appointment tomorow at 9.40 but dont want to wait that long if it is dangerous for her. thank you all for your support :)