Hi,

Im wanting to breed with my GSD bitch she has had 1 litter before.

Now she is on her 10th day, she does live with the other dog in question who is just 12 months. Prefably i would like to use him, if not another dog could be used (depending whats happened)

Obviously they are friends, i have let him and her play together for the past few days, he has been getting rather randy around her! but she hasnt been ready so nothing has happened.

but today whilst i was out i asked my mum to pop by and let all the dogs out..

unfortunatly she let them be out together (the 2 in question!) and ended up taking a 1 hour phone call ....... so they have been together in the yard ..... alone.

now this evening he seems to have lost a lot of interest in her???? for the past few days hes been crying cos he knew she has been about etc etc,
This evening even when he has been with her they have played, snoozed etc all in each others company, he has got a bit randy ..... but no mounting what so ever.
now i was "hoping" to breed with them tomorrow. she had seemed to start flagging. but this evening all she has tried to do is mount the other bitch???

do you recon he has already mated her and has satisfied his needs for today? or she has today him off.... big style? the rest of the days if hes seemed interested she has just changed it into a game and not been nasty at all?

what do you guys recon is the next best step?

p.s - i wanted to breed with her this season cos when she is next due i will be getting married .... so on. so this season just seemed right for her!

sesh -dogs ehhh! lol

> do you recon he has already mated her and has satisfied his needs for today?

> Now she is on her 10th day, she does live with the other dog in question who is just 12 months.

For a start a dog does not have needs-the way you mean-a dog can/& will mate a bitch several times in one day until she refuses to stand for him, if he as the opportunity. So if he had mated her once today, he would still be wanting to mate again.

If he is just 12 months old has he had his hips scored, been haemophilia/JRD tested clear ?

My advice is that you need to get an experienced stud dog handler to show you how to correctly handle a stud dog

> who is just 12 months.

Have you been able to xray and get his hip score back in this time?

Do you not think this might be a wind-up?

I am hopeing, If not I hope they will read the posts at the top of the breeding section :) :)
Lea :) :)

Its recommended that you keep a stud dog away from his lady in waiting until the deed needs to be done. Love makes the heart go fonder a bit of separation should help.

Louise

Totally agree with other posters - have you had your boy health tested yet?  With all the bad press going around about breeders at the moment, it is essential you do this before even considering to use him as your stud dog.

Matings never happen at a convenient time - you have make decisions.  Why don't you wait until after you're married.  You'll have had time to get his health checks done etc and see what he's going to mature like.  GSD is not my breed but I do have a large breed myself and do not consider them to look mature until they are 2+.  He may well not turn out as you would like him to.

I certainly hope this isn't a money making exercise to help pay for the wedding.  Please take note from the more experienced people on here and wait.

As people have already said, GSD's need a few health tests before being bred from.  The earliest you can score their hips is 12 mths and it can take 5 or 6 weeks to get the results back so it seems unlikely this has been done?!  Male dogs should always be haemophlia (sp) tested aswell.

i actually come from a family that has bred some of the best GSD ever bred in britain.

these pups will actually be worked (when old enough) and will live with myself untill the right age to start training and will recieve all the pre-training/socialisation required.
The bitch has excellent hips and the dog is actually 13 months. I just round it up to 12months as in my previous post, he has had his hips done it took 4 weeks for the eagerly awaiting results, and we are awaiting the results of bloods- after a mix up. Hence hoping that these would have been back before hes had chance to mate with her.
The stud dogs otherwise i would have used are all owned within our family, just this certain dog has all the qualities we desire as well as an excellent temp. He has also shown and has been extremely successful also.
I just have never personally come across a male that seemed disinterested after such interest? unless she has told him off, which iam hoping she hasnt. So i dont have a prob in the long run? If i thought he was too imature i would have made sure that he wouldnt ever have got to her in the first place! but he did seem to know what was happening ..... so we made the choice we should use him.... but just wish i knew if it had happened yesterday or not. either way i can try and supervise a mating tomorrow
Unfortunatly the fact they have been living together before hand may not have helped but we didnt expect her to come into season so soon! she has been with us 3 moths now, and settled in fine with this other dog in question. He is the friendliest i have and they got along great so have been together since she came into season.

Im sure everyone means well asking questions etc, this is my first post on this site and thought it maybe helpful to join, but after reading some other treads on here seems alot of people want to put others down?

I asure everyone ..... all iam after is anyone else experience in this matter as we havnt come across it before?
surely forums are here to help everyone??

p.s - staff..... not intended to you - just learning how to reply on here?! sorry

SO............

has anyone come across a male that has just decided to be not as interested???????

KIND thanks in advance..... :)

My male who has been used at stud just recently and last year is the type of dog that will only mate when the bitch is ready and won't do a repeat either on the same day or 1-2 days afterwards. It is not a bad thing really as I can at least tell people if their bitch is ready or not. The last bitch he mated came to him on day 12 & 13 but he wasn't interested so they came back on the 15th and he hopped on straight away with a 25 min tie. Some dogs will keep mating a bitch if given the chance but others are like my male and his sire actually will only do it the once then are not interested afterwards.

Forums are indeed where people come to ask questions. However not being mind readers people have to answer posts as they read and as you obviously know there are health concerns within all breeds that should be addressed before any mating takes place. By rounding your boys age down you gave the impression that he may have not had any health test done and obviously concerned responsible people will question that and give advice accordingly.
Welcome to the forum

h> i actually come from a family that has bred some of the best GSD ever bred in britain.

Well perhaps you could enlist the help of your family with the mating. Is your mum not involved with the breeding of your family's dogs ?

When we had GSD stud dogs, we never had a problem mating them to bitches they lived with(& before you ask yes they were compatible pedigreewise & health tested & were from Germany specially selected for us by an SV judge & breeder)

You were lucky getting the results back within 4 weeks for the Hips & Elbows, I still waiting for my BC girls hip score to come back.

thanks :) I understand peoples concerns etc, i forget the age of the little guy .... in my eyes hes still my lil babe!

my mum isnt part of the "doggy" clan.... lol. she likes them but dosnt work with them. unlike the rest of us. Obviously ive constulted everyone else, but i find its interesting to find other peoples views/experiences helpful also.

slightly annoyed now that mum hadnt let them be together and just used one of the older dogs.

thanks for your replies

I have recently had a bitch mated.

The male was very interested in the bitch on day 13 when first introduced but she wasn't ready and they settled down to a friendly co-existence whenever reintroduced until she was ready on day 18 to 20.

In fact a premate test was done on day 16 that showed she hadn't ovulated quite yet, as the stud owner was starting to wonder, and found their boy knew exactly what was what.  This was a mature dog though who had sired before.

tinker88 your boy is still quite young, could it be that he is not sure what to actually do even though he showed interest in your bitch,or it could be he has tried to mate with her and has come across  some discomfort or pain that could be putting him off. has your boy been elbow scored also?
you were very fortunate to get your h/s  results back in 4 weeks i had one of mine hip and elbow scored on 27th august and i am still awaiting the results up till today nothing returned to the vets yet.

Hi Guys

Forgive my ignorance but what breed is a GSD if your allowed to say???  I wouldnt use my dog as a stud beacause I think once they know what they are doing they may want to do it with any biitch and that could cause problems when socilalising they may then become focussed on doing the deed all the time!!!  I have had my bitch mated and I took her to a kennel club accredited breeder and to her stud dog it was a job so to speak and quite a technical feat really to ensure both the bitch and dog were ok and the tie didnt damage the dog, we did have to be quite involved in supporting them both.  It makes you wonder really how they manage to get pregnant by accident!!!!

PS to Molly have you been chasing the vets your results seem to have been a while, I got my hip score results within 6 weeks of the films being done and my eye result and certificate on the same day...

poppyspot g.s.d  german shepherd dog, yes i have been chasing my vet re the  hip and elbow scores no luck as of yet i have a post under health on this topic.

"SO............

has anyone come across a male that has just decided to be not as interested???????"

We find that if our stud dogs are not interested in the bitch then it is generally down to the fact that she has a health problem that we or the bitch owner has not picked up on, dogs are very perceptive, after all in the wild it is survival of the fitest.

Have known dogs that have been scolded for mounting behaviour a bit worried about doing the deed also if the bitch is a kennel mate and there are more senior dogs about, that is a normal dog behaviour and seen in wild dogs only the senior dog will mate the bitches.

Some dogs will not be interested until the bitch is ready, in fact most sensible dogs will not be interested until the time is right, again a natural response in nature, why waste time and energy on a bitch that is not ready.

Think a phone call to one of your very experienced and successful relatives should tell you how your family lines will react in a given mating situation and it may be you should separate them now for a few days until the bitch is ready and hope he has the confidence to perform.

GOOD NEWS

we took the bitch to my grandads and it seemed she has had an extremley short season....... so i took her to the vets for a blood test - just incase anything was wrong.

now seen as she was quite poor when she came out of teh MOd kennels he thinks that the lack of condition on her when we got her has caused her to have a shorter season (abit like thin/anorexic women he explained) even thou she is in good shape now.

we had the bloods done and the cheeky chappy hasnt done the deed....... well as far as they can tell - for now. she can go in for another test in a week or so.

so he lost interest due to teh fact she started coming out of season.

so when hes older - next season we shall try again then.

and i havnt got a gay potential stud dog!!

MOLLY - chase your vets for your results! ?????!!!!

> when she came out of teh MOd kennels

Do they release dogs with papers?  I am quite surprised to hear that.