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Topic Dog Boards / Feeding / Dog food without Chicken Fat
- By Jane_Floyd [in] Date 14.10.08 16:30 UTC
Hi, we have been feeding Floyd Royal Canin Sensitivity Control since April, this is nearly £70 per 14kg bag which lasts us approximately 28 days, he also has a quarter of a tin per meal of the wet variety to help keep him interested as he has always liked a bit of wet. 
We took Floyd to the vets last week for a check up, along with some info on a couple of other foods that we thought we could perhaps try him on, these were Timberwolf - Ocean Fresh and Orijen - Fish variety, we mainly chose these as they are more of a natural diet, also grain free and seem like a good food and to keep him on the fish. 
The vet seemed very impressed with the ingredients until he came to the fats, because they contained Chicken Fat he said no, now all of the other makes of dog food that I have looked at so far (fish varieties) they all contain Chicken Fat. The food that he is currently on I cannot find an ingredient list for, I empty his food into an air-tight container so I no longer have the bag to check.
Do any of you know of any similar quality dog foods made without Chicken Fat.  Floyd has been poorly (first 4 months of this year) with pancreatitus and IBS diagnosed in the end with a biopsy, hence the veterinary diet.
The vet was also impressed with Floyd's condition of how healthy he looked and said he looked absolutely superb.
Jane
- By charlie72 [gb] Date 14.10.08 16:53 UTC Edited 14.10.08 16:58 UTC
This is very similer to Timberwolf and I can't see chicken fat on the list..

http://cerberuspetfoods.co.uk/shop/article_TOTW%252035/Taste-Of-The-Wild-Pacific-Stream-Canine.html?shop_param=cid%3D9%26aid%3DTOTW%252035%26

JWB lamb and vegetable doesn't have chicken fat either..

http://www.wellbeloved.com/products/dog/lamb__vegetable_kibble/adult.aspx

Both are expensive but no where near as much as what you are feeding now.Zooplus do alot of different foods,have a look down the list on the left(looks like solid gold barking at the moon has no cereal or chicken fat),each one lists the ingredients..

http://www.zooplus.co.uk/shop/dogs/dry_dog_food

It's good to know he's doing well :)
- By Teri Date 14.10.08 18:25 UTC
Hi Jane,

AFAIK Wafcol Salmon & Potato recipe contains no cereals or chicken fats - at least it didn't when I last used it :)

I've fed this in the past and found it to be a good food, readily available and reasonably priced.  I did add tinned oily fish and occasionally reduced price fresh salmon off-cuts to increase the % content of fish but whether this was something you wanted to do or not it may be worth looking into this product.

I do despair of foods which claim to be of one protein source only to find they're basted in something completely different as it makes it much more difficult when trying to find an acceptable diet for a dog with digestive issues.

I hope Floyd continues to do well :)
best wishes,

Teri
- By coops555 [gb] Date 14.10.08 18:31 UTC
cant see chicken fat in orijen 6 fresh fish, the normal orijen adult has it in though i know

Composition Featuring Fresh Canadian Ingredients:
Fresh salmon (includes chinook, coho and sockeye species), salmon meal, russet potato, herring meal, fresh lake whitefish, sweet potato, fresh lake trout, fresh Northern walleye, freshwater cod, fresh herring, sunflower oil, salmon oil (preserved with mixed tocopherals, a natural source of vitamin E), sun-cured alfalfa, dried sea vegetables (brown kelp, Irish moss, dulse and bladder wrack), leeks, psyllium, crab shell, rosemary, lecithin (source of inositol), apples, cranberries, black currants, marshmallow root, chicory root (FOS), licorice root, yeast extract (MOS), fennel seed, zea mays, peppermint leaf, marigold flowers, chamomile flowers, dandelion, summer savory, rosehips, vitamins (Vitamin E, choline chloride, Vitamin A, Vitamin D3, thiamine mononitrate, Vitamin B12, folic acid, biotin), sea salt, minerals (iron proteinate, zinc proteinate, manganese proteinate, copper proteinate), direct fed microbials (dried Lactobacillus acidophilus fermentation product, dried Enterococcus faecium fermentation product).

ORIJEN Dog Food does not contain artificial preservatives.
Botanical Inclusions per kg:
chicory root (Cichorium intybus) 500 mg, licorice root (Glycyrrhiza glabra) 400 mg, fenugreek (Trigonella foenum-graecum L.) 350 mg, marigold flowers (Calendula officinalis) 300 mg, sweet fennel (Foeniculum vulgare) 300 mg, peppermint leaf (Mentha x piperita) 300 mg, chamomile flowers (Matricaria recutita L.) 300 mg, dandelion (Taraxacum officinale) 150 mg, summer savory (Satureja hortensis) 150 mg, rosehips (Rosa canina) 150 mg
- By Jane_Floyd [in] Date 14.10.08 19:52 UTC
Hi Charlie72, thank you for those links, "Taste of the Wild" looks interesting and so does the Solid Gold "Barking at the Moon".
Many thanks
Jane
- By Jane_Floyd [in] Date 14.10.08 19:58 UTC
Hi Teri, thank you for your suggestion, I will also be looking into that one too.  Quite often I add half a tin (small tin) of Tuna in Spring Water or half a tin of Salmon to his food as a treat, he loves this and then follows you round looking for more.
Thank you
Jane
- By Jane_Floyd [in] Date 14.10.08 20:01 UTC
Hi Coops555, if you look at the breakdown in the Orijen Fish ingredients, I think at Number 6 "Essential Fatty Oils" it does list Chicken Fat, Salmon Oil and Sunflower Oil, which I found quite disappointing when the vet pointed it out to me.
Thank you
Jane
- By coops555 [gb] Date 14.10.08 20:19 UTC
where did you get the ingredients list from as i just recived my packet and  it just says sunflower oil, salmon oil. no mention of "Essential Fatty Oils" or Chicken Fat.
here have a look on their web site to see http://www.championpetfoods.com/orijen/products/ORIJEN6FishIngredients.aspx
- By Jane_Floyd [in] Date 14.10.08 20:27 UTC
I clicked on the zooplus site, went to the Orijen products and then clicked on the Orijen 6 Fish, just down from the bag it says "Feeding recommendations" and then "ingredients" next to it.  When you go into the ingredients bit at number 6 "Essential Fatty Acid" are from Chicken Fat, Salmon Oil and Sunflower Oil.
Jane
- By coops555 [gb] Date 15.10.08 05:11 UTC
think that it is a mistake by zooplus easy way of checking here is another uk supplier try ringing them and asking as the adult food does say chicken fat on  ingredients but the six fresh fish does not. It is a great food though my pair love it as much as barf but it is so much easyer to feed and you know your dogs getting the right amount of what he needs
http://www.orijenpetfoods.co.uk/acatalog/orijen_dog_6_fish.html
- By Jane_Floyd [in] Date 15.10.08 16:23 UTC
Hi Coops555, I emailed them instead asking them to clarify there ingredients, they emailed me back confirming that there is definately NO chicken or chicken fat in there recipe for Fish.
Thank you for that.
Jane
- By coops555 [gb] Date 15.10.08 18:25 UTC
no problem i just moved from adult to 6fresh fish and they both love it.its well worth a try if it will save 30 pounds and i am sure its a better food for your dog to top it all
- By stitch8689 [gb] Date 16.10.08 08:16 UTC
my dogs are thriving on the taste of the wild salmon variety- if you are adding tinned food occasionally like i do, i think bozita is quite good, it tells you exactly whats in it rather than going down the 'derivatives' route.
- By MarkSurrey [gb] Date 17.10.08 11:07 UTC
The vet seemed very impressed with the ingredients until he came to the fats, because they contained Chicken Fat he said no

Did the vet say what his specific concern was? Is it particularly an issue connected to your dogs pancreatitis/IBS, or does he not like chicken fat in dog food period? I'm interested as I have just put our two onto foods (Arden Grange) that contain chicken fat as it's supposed to be easily digested. AG do say that they filter the fat to remove all protein, so that dogs with sensitivity to chicken should not be affected. If the other dog food manufacturers do the same thing then it may not be as much of a problem as the vet suggests (if that was his concern)?
- By munrogirl76 Date 17.10.08 11:44 UTC
Mark, I would guess it is the fat, as fat can cause flare ups of pancreatitis. But I maybe wrong and it might be that the dog's intolerant of chicken. ;-)
- By Jane_Floyd [gb] Date 17.10.08 13:04 UTC
Hi Mark, the vet seems to think its Chicken that causes flare-ups, though I am not sure how he got that deduction, because when Floyd was really poorly at the beginning of the year he was fed boiled chicken and rice and I have also given this when he has had an off day, of which the vet knows.  Floyd has never had any tests to see what food he is intolerant to and I was really more to thinking that it was probably the grain type stuff if anything that his stomach couldn't handle as when he was having bad days with pancreatitus it also came with bad colitis.  Once he had his biopsy, which were takings of his pancreas, his bowel and instestines at different points and we had the results back, the vet changed his food from Royal Canin Low Fat High Digestive to the Royal Canin Sensitivity, which is the fish variety and has no grain present.
Jane
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