Chatting to a lady yesterday and we were discussing That Programme, she told me about her neighbour who breeds dogs.
Her neighbour has 4 female goldies , 1 male goldie , 6 gsd females, 1 gsd male, 2 springer females , 1 springer male, and an assortment of toy breeds , pugs, paps, yorkies cavies all living in bad conditions, the dogs are filthy the house is a one bed terrace , small garden, the garden is never cleaned up for dog mess and you can smell the house from down the road.
Anyway she was upstairs in her house and saw out of her window dead puppies in the garden, she called the RSPCA who finally attended almost a week later.
He had there four litters of toy crosses pap x yorkies and cav x yorkies, gsd x goldie and 1 litter of goldies
The inspector told him that he should really clean up the garden and that was it.( The lady was listening in her garden ).
When the inspector was leaving the lady asked him should the chap who is breeding have a council licence as he breeds all year round and always has puppies, his reply was as most of the puppies i have seen here today are cross breeds there is no need for a licence you only need one if you are breeding pedigree dogs, as they are the ones which are a problem.

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Peanuts

Has she reported her neighbour to the council for breeding without a licence?  It beggers belief that all those dogs can physically fit inside that size of property

I know shocking, she said that he has wall to wall cages and stacked 3 high in someplaces up stairs and down.
She has written to the council but has heard nothing.

Peanuts

Another body she could complain to is environmental health as I would say this is a health risk to the occupants and those living in close proximity. 

Could she not also write to the RSPCA requesting a writen response as to what "action" has been taken and why it was deemed appropriate to simply warn the offending "breeder".  I expect that she would receive a standard response but it would open the door for her to write a futher letter along the lines of what action she and most other dog loving people think should have been taken and why, in my own opinion, doggy people are losing all confidence in this organisation (in a perfect world, I know). 

However, on the flip side, it may be that they are planning a follow up visit before any real action can be taken.

Depending on the conditions found on their visit they may not have been breaking the Welfare Laws and the RSPCA would not then have any powers other than to advise.  However, with that number of breeding bitches they are surely breaking the Dog Breeding Licencing laws so I think it would be more profitably to pursue the council as they are obliged to adminster this.  I would phone and find out the name of the person responsible for this and address a letter directly to them, sending it registered. 

Beggars belief, if this is all fact.

According to this woman there are 12 adult large breeds, 3 medium breeds and cages full of pugs, paps, Yorkies and Cav's all also in a one bed house. How possibly can this person offer any kind of viewing area for potential puppy owners, and be able to raise pups with all that lot in one small house? Let alone the smell, mess, and garden must be a disaster, how could you ever keep up such a small area with so many dogs in it. Surely if this is all complete fact the RSPCA must have been able to find something to act on, the caged dogs especially, what kind of life is that to just be let out to pee etc, but spend much of their life in a crate?

The RSPCA can prosecute and sieze dogs if they are not feed, watered, sheltered or if they are pysically abused in anyway, as stupid as it sounds perhaps the dogs are all in good health so they had no legal rights here.

I think perhaps your neighbour as well as the breeding licensing laws could report to environmental health for the smell, noise? and running a business, the tax office may well be interested someone with that amount of animals surely can not be working so perhaps is claiming support and not declaring their earnings from breeding.

But, firstly I think it is very important that all facts are right, perhaps a phone call to the RSPCA who actually went into the house may be worth a call to just validate the situation more clearly, often people think they know what is happening when infact it isn't?

why dont you ,if you can get the right information get in touch with a national newspaper seems to me its the rspca who need investigating

As far as i know she has written to the local council and has had no reply but she will keep at it until something is done, she said that she has been in the house in question and she says that it is disgusting, as for what was in an earlier post , i don't think puppy buyers come to the house , i get the impression that the puppies are boxed up and shipped out to who know's where?

I really don't know the woman who i spoke to that well as she only phoned me for advice on another matter ( non dog-related ) but the impression i get from her is that she is not going to let sleeping dogs lie, and will continue to pester the local authority until something is done.

Peanuts

That is shocking but not really at the same time
Good old RSPCA doing nothing again even when its blatent whats going on, didnt the new animal welfare bill say they can now act before animals are in distress?? Now they dont even work if they SEE dogs in distress and they have the cheek to advertise their biggest rescue campaign yet on TV, wheres all the money going I wonder, not on stopping cruelty it would seem :(

cant belive you dont need a lisence to breed if you are only breeding crosses.
Massive loophole which will come back to bite all councils on the bum me thinks.
Just goes to show all dogs are at risk by bad breeders not just the pedigrees.

> cant belive you dont need a lisence to breed if you are only breeding crosses.

Where has that been stated?  The law covers dog breeding establishments.  I have never seen any mention of it only referring to pedigrees. 

Peanuts said that the guy said it in the first post on this page.

I think the RSPCA chap was wrong, assuming it hasn't got a little confused coming third hand as it has, and no such loophole exists. 

well thats great news if its true. I hope it is.

The RSPCA only has powers to act in certain situations and its officers get just a miffed as us when they are not allowed to do anything to help.

Case in point.  Before the building work started around us we had fields nearby. We heard what what was clearly a young puppy crying and climbed into the field and found it tethered under a tarp with a hobbled horse (I belive hobbling a horse is illeagal) The poor creature could not lift its head for fear of pulling its own legs from under it (horse) the puppy was about 3 months old.

We complained to the owner who said he was doing nothing wrong but brought in another pup for company - not the answer for sure.

Phoned the RSPCA who came out that day.  The officer was told to leave the situation alone as it would be classed as trespass.  The puppies had shelter and water.  The officer could not however walk away.  He came to us for a kitchen knife to cut the horse free.  It was still tied but not hobbled and could lift its head.

A day or two later he phoned us and said he was in trouble for doing what he did and would we speak up for him.  We did with pleasure but it begs the question - who's welfare are they looking after?

poor man.
it seems they are damed if they do and damed if they dont.
I dont think i could do there job i would get to upset when i could not help.
Most rspca people must be animal lovers to start with and it would be hard on a person to have to walk away from something like that.

a few years ago a nasty person on our street rang the rspca on me !!!! it was summer and our dogs were on the back gardon in a massive run with lots of water and shelter from the sun/rain ,id gone shopping so i wasnt in ,the rspca went onto my back gardon to see and let her self into the run to check the dogs and left me a card saying she had been i went to the back gardon and to my horrer she hadnt shut the run gate the dogs where running al over the gardon and 1 of them was a 5month old pup at the time she could of easy gone and got killed on the road ...i was soooo mad i rang up the number that she left me ,she said she was told i leave the dogs out without water and she needed to check i told her she could see the water was there and she said the puppy was wanting to be fussed !!! i was so angry she could of killed my dogs !!! now i understand thay have to come and see but this was the same day call out ,you know what she said to me ...i hope you take your dogs for a walk !!! and dont leave them in the run all day ...omg i just laughd at her and put the phone down ,its all wrong i get that and the poor dogs and pups are living in that and the rspca walk away ...its crazy !!!! she never said sorry for not making sure the gate was shut !!!

OMG the poor doggis, i feel so sorry for them living a life like that, when they could be enjoying a spacious living accomidation and running around in a nice field somewhere! Makes me so angry how these people can just do this, and even angrier how they seem to get away with it!!!

Sometimes they get just as miffed as we do, others they turn a blind eye, as happened this week when the Anti Puppy Protest campaigners reported on emaciated puppies in a superstore. The local RSPCA man went round and did not do anything other than "have a word with the staff" about one dog.

Well this man dosent live on the gold coast i have2 fixed goldens and a belgian in her fist welp and i have the council at my place all the time
i look after the belgian as i show her so far i have been lucky but if the council see her thay will take one of my dog so keep ringing your council this man need to be shut down

Oh no that is so sad , poor dogs , how can anyone live like that , its awful to think them sort of things go on!!

Oh no that is so sad , poor dogs , how can anyone live like that , its awful to think them sort of things go on!!

Same problem a long time ago the RSPCa were called because our dog howled all day. we had moved house he did have a garden and a dog flap but he would cry until we got home. RSPCA were sympathetic, we moved house again to get away from a neighbour who worked nights and slept very shallow and expected all dogs and kids to be quiet.
But as for leaving a gate open I'd sue!!!!!!!

years and years ago i worked for the r.s.p.c.a, part time sometimes i went out with there dog wardens, there hands are tied to an extent and they do get very frustrated when there is obvious neglect and abuse as it takes so long to go to court and these people normally end up getting more animals in the meantime, if the animal is left with food water and some sort of  shelter, and no obvious injury  and in no imediate danger to there selves or others , they cant just take the animal without permission as they are liable to be sued .But yes in the case of them coming on to my property and leaving a gate open  and putting my dogs at risk and other people i think i would have done something about that as if anything did happen to a third party because of your dogs escaping you would have been put to blame, what is the world coming to? nothing shocks me anymore.

i told them that i was upset but all i got was we have to go out if somone has rung up ,i shoud of donr that put i was just so glad my dogs where ok and hadnt gone off ,
i know they do a good job some times :(

Unfourtunately the RSPCA have totally lost thier way. They throw their financial and Political might at anybody where they see a fast few quid being generated by publicity. Disabled people, OAP's children are a particular scoop as recent media attention prooves.
Their "Inspectors" in some instances (not all) go around impersonating Police Officers, or at best claiming to have Police powers, bullying, intimidating and basically playing God ! They are just on an ego trip and probably failed to get selected for the Police because they are too ruthless and uncaring (well at least where people are concerned), who are these lot who think that they can make life and death decisions on peoples pets ?

Its about time they had their prosecution powers brought under the scrutiny of the CPS, the Police or removed completely, this would enable them to get back to prevention of cruelty and not prosecution, which is really what the "P" now stands for.

I dont think their donators realise what they stand for and what they do with sponsors money, things like taking prosecutions against 15yr olds and pensioners or the disabled, flaunting and ignoring the law themselves, trespassing and stealing and then prosecuting the victims ! Telling schools not to keep pets, killing sacred cows, selling the rights to their freedom food and still allowing farmers to keep poultry in appalling conditions (never mind they made a few quid !) the attrocities go on, and what about their guy on the interview, what arrogance ! well in my expierience they are all like that, roll on a judicial review, a Charities Board complaint and the removal of their Royal status

Public opinion?  Shouldn't that be personal opinion? :-D

My understanding from our local council is -

If you breed more than 3 litters a year you need a breeders licence regardless of weather you are a commercial kennel or "Hobby Breeder".

If you sell said puppies for financial reward you need a pet store licence.

Pedigree or non pedigree is regardless in their eyes, a litter is a litter.

We tried a little exercise yesterday, we phonned a few numbers that are on another site that people advertise pups and stud dogs on, one chap was advertising their male Boxer at stud for £100 and on speaking to him I was amazed at how "stupid" some people are, I asked him how many litters his dog had sired, "3" he answers, and how old is your dog?, "2" he answers, how old was he when you first used him at stud ?, "8 months, but that was a mistake, we caught him on our bitch and thought oh well we will just use him as a stud dog from now on".
Has your boy been Heart Scored? "Whats that" he said,  so I explained about heart problems with boxers and he replys "Thats ok it dose not apply to us, we are hobby breeders and our dogs are all ok" and how do you know your dog is ok ? "well he has sired 28 puppies so far and has another 4 litters due and it was all freinds who had bitches that he was used on and the puppies are all fine.

The logic and idiocy of some people amazes me, how can you stamp out health problems in pedigree breeds when any clown with a dog or bitch thinks they can make a quick buck by being a "Hobby Breeder".