I have just come back from a trip to California.
I was lucky enough to be there when an all breed dog show was taking place over a weekend.
I attended in the 100 degree dead heat with no breeze, the poor dogs, i was suffering let alone the dogs.

Anyway i was amazed to see what differences there were in some breeds compared to those over here. I always thought that the dogs should be the same the world over, but no.

The Bernese were very snipey in the head, one male i met was a champ and to be honest i doubt it would ever make the grade over here. The bitches had no stop what so ever and lacked any real bone on them.
The Irish Wolfhounds had very little bone on them and were a lot shorter.
The Newfs were so tiny, almost the size of the average Bernese over here, very small heads and no body to them.

The Danes with their clipped ears looked horrific and to mention the aggression in many lines was outragious.

One thing to note that i did see was that the Sammy's looked very good out there, as did the Mals, was very impressed with the Mals.

It got me thinking to how their breed standards differ and something like the Newf, are they supposed to be smaller in body and smaller heads and the English are breeding them over size or are they just bad examples of the breed??

The list could go on, i did speak to the club committee about this and they said they visited the world show in Sweden this year and also noticed major differences.

How can some breeds differ so much in each country, surely they should all be very similar to what they were bred for.

Also on another note, i saw just walking around many Pitties, they were all very well behaved and very endearing!! Also way too many under sized Chi's around, their so called teacup variety... What a shame they have   done this.

I agree that the dogs are very different in looks and standards from the North American dogs, to the UK.  I had a peek on the Kennel Club website, looking at some pics along with breed standards, and they are quite different to what I would see over here. 
A lot of it, was grooming I think.  Poodles are done up more here, that in the UK, along with a lot of the longer coated dogs.  And I have never seen a longhaired German shorthaired pointer, that was quite interesting to look at, rather pretty actually.
The dobe, seemed to have a more slopped topline, and also not as much as an uptuck in the stomach.  The min pin, had a snipier head to what I am used to seeing over here.  And the Border Collie with a straight topline, along with a straighter topline in the GSD. 

It got me thinking to how their breed standards differ and something like the Newf, are they supposed to be smaller in body and smaller heads and the English are breeding them over size or are they just bad examples of the breed??
I wouldnt call them bad examples of the breed.  They are what is deemed correct in this country (Canada and the States) and may not be correct in yours, but it doesnt make them worse or yours worse, if you get what I mean. 
TBH, a lot of the english dogs wouldnt pass the grade here either.  Its what pleases the eyes, to the particular country. 
Your Springers, would be deemed pet stock here (I am not trying to be rude, at all, as I think both types - working and show - are beautiful - its just what would happen).  Our springers are smaller, and finer.  They have more coat.  They have a full saddle (and the pics on the kennel club website, didnt have one)

The Danes with their clipped ears looked horrific and to mention the aggression in many lines was outragious.
Aggression???  Most danes I have come across are very dosile and friendly.  Bad day at the shows it seems for the breed. 

Also way too many under sized Chi's around, their so called teacup variety... What a shame they have   done this.
Our Chihuahuas are smaller than yours, but we do not recognize a "teacup" variety.  Trust me, teacups are smaller than what you saw at a show!  It is a shame I think, as well, that breeds have done this. 

> And I have never seen a longhaired German shorthaired pointer

Neither have I. ;-)  Do you mean the German Longhaired Pointer? :-)

lol!!! :-))

>The Newfs were so tiny, almost the size of the average Bernese over here, very small heads and no body to them.

The Newfoundland Reserve Bitch CC at Crufts this year was won by a young US import bitch so I'd say you witnessed a poor entry rather than examples representative of the entire breed in the US.  I know there are some excellent types being bred in the US.  Like everywhere, you'll get good and bad examples...I've seen a few here that look like Flat Coat Retrievers.  There are some wonderful examples of News coming out of Europe too yet someone I know judged Newfs at a European show recently and commented at how disappointing the heads were in general.

I took my friend from the states to Crufts a few years ago and her main observation was that dogs here are generaly bigger,which is strange as I always think of everything in the States as being bigger.

I wouldn't say the pictures on the Kennel Club website illustrating each breed are particularly typical of what is in the ring with some breeds, especially the GSD where there is really a huge split in type dependent on judges.  Some of these pictures are of dogs from quite some time ago from their picture Library.

If you look at the Our Dogs And Dog World Websites the photos there are of current show dogs, and i suspect results pics on breed club pages will give a better idea..

For me having shown in both the USA and here, my own breed is very different on the grooming front in the US to here.

They tend to be more on the glamour side of things stateside, we're a bit more (not much lol) down to earth about it ie more natural lay of the coat.  State side they want a square jaw which unfortnately is spoiling the breed as they are experiencing more undershot jaws and some UK breeders have found this when using imported animals some stunning pups with bad mouths.

When my boy was in the states being campaigned my friend sent me a photo of him when he gained his title - didn't even recognise my own dog!  A lot of it is down to grooming and I have to say you can get some pretty bad entry's at some of the shows, did one in California where my sister lives and saw huge pugs, schips with no foreleg and over 25lbs, Afghans with such short backs they were incapable of striding out in that beautiful action we see over here.

Welsh springer Int. Reserve BIS CH. Multi Group Placing and Winning AKC CH. Slapestones Sea Breeze this is a  SH CH Ferndel Maverick x SH CH Steelriver Rysa pup that went out to my friend in IL in 04 she went down storm and is now with the Statesman Welsh Springers, didn't think there was that much difference between the Canadian/American welshies?  She certainly isn't considered pet quality with any of the breeders I've asked about the differences.

when the usa's top ever bloodhound.....and i think top of all breeds in fact....came to UK to Crufts....he looked like a large beagle!!! LOL I was horrified!  Very glad that We beat him!!! :)

I think the problem is that it is very difficult unless attending a National Speciality to get a real idea of what any breed is like from a couple of shows as the entry at any event is likely to be small and unrepresentative of the breed as a whole as it is a huge country.

At least in the UK at any General Championship show unless it is a judge with known specific preferences you will get a representative entry at the shows.

I have opened up a can of worms here.
The show i went to was the Burbank Kennel Club, so the dogs were picking up points here towards being made up (finished).
Maybe i did go on a day in which the Danes were having a bad time with the heat or something. It was hot even i was getting tetchy with the heat which was relentless.

If a dog was bred for a certain purpose surely then we can't and shouldn't have that major differences around the world in the breeds.
Some breeds were very small numerically, being that they weren't so popular in the area.

I understand that each person in a breed will like something in a breed and maybe enhance on that, though its back to the same, why would you change the breed so much just for something you like rather than for what it should look like.
I am aware of a breeder who moved to Canada who had a show winning kennel of a certain breed in Europe. Her dogs never made it in Canada as they didn't meet the eye and what was liked in Canada.

A Bernese breeder i spoke to at the show said that in the US they have a huge issue with hip and elbow problems, which is more of a problem than anything else in the breed.
In the breed i have looked through many a website of different kennels and many of the Bernese are very small, no body or bone. How does a Bernese work like that?? Pulling a cart all day, it just wouldn't happen with these dogs.

I think that i am going to have to get to the Westminster show next year to see if the dogs come up any better. Though saying that a few years ago i was watching the show on TV while over in the States and some of the dogs   looked amazing, though in the flesh its probably very different.

Do you mean the German Longhaired Pointer

lol yes, thats what I mean.  I have only seen the shorthaired version of the German pointer, and one wire coated one.  lol  Typo

Welsh springer Int. Reserve BIS CH. Multi Group Placing and Winning AKC CH. Slapestones Sea Breeze this is a  SH CH Ferndel Maverick x SH CH Steelriver Rysa pup that went out to my friend in IL in 04 she went down storm and is now with the Statesman Welsh Springers, didn't think there was that much difference between the Canadian/American welshies?  She certainly isn't considered pet quality with any of the breeders I've asked about the differences.

I didnt look at the welsh springer, as we dont show them here.....I dont even know if the welsh is recognized as a breed in Canada.  Maybe they are, and just a low following, but I couldnt tell you.

The differences between the English Springers from the UK and Canada, is what I was refering to.  

I wasnt trying to be offensive, and was just going on what people had said on the forum about my Joy, and also the pics of different springers on the Kennel Club website, which I have been told is a bit inaccurate.  Our dogs seem heavier boned, and have a completely different look than the UK springer. 

Yep, the Golden look like a completely different breed. The heads are much more fine in muzzle and are a bit collieish (new word in the English dictionary)LOL. They leave a long of fur from the throat down so that they look like they have no length of neck.

Sorry didn't mean to imply anything other than I was curious so had asked a few of my stateside friends about the differences showing the general consensous from them.

> The show i went to was the Burbank Kennel Club, so the dogs were picking up points here towards being made up (finished).
>

Thing is in the US most shows except Fun matches have points, they do not ration them like they do here other than how many dogs are needed to gain them and what value that gives to them (for Majors).

I took some photos and its a shame that there is nowhere to post on here as to what people think of them.

Maybe i'll put them on facebook for people to have a look at.

I wouldn't say the pictures on the Kennel Club website illustrating each breed are particularly typical of what is in the ring with some breeds, especially the GSD where there is really a huge split in type dependent on judges.  Some of these pictures are of dogs from quite some time ago from their picture Library.

I actually wonder where they get some from, the one that heads my breed, well it's head for one doesn't look right.  Don't even recognise the dog, I would say it's definitely not one that's been shown here in the UK.

I actually wonder where they get some from, the one that heads my breed, well it's head for one doesn't look right.

I like the one for my breed, it's the mother of one of my bitches. :) (But yes, that makes it quite an old pic.)

>I actually wonder where they get some from

The one for my breed used to be the breed CC record holder, is a descendent of my first bitch and is the full uncle of my boys!

I've seen a few programmes on Animal Planet and yes I think there are some major differences in some breeds, and a lot of it is the trimming and presentation too. Next year I hope to go over to America to visit my friends who have a puppy from me and see how the US shows work!