Hi

Could anyone tell me what time judging starts, what ring the Newfoundlands are due to be in and what breeds are in before them, please?  The same info for the Belgian Shepherd Malinois would be great too :-) 

Thanks!

Have you seen Rachel recently?  Tried e-mailing and texting but heard nothing.  Saw something on her website that says Chacha was injured at an event last week and it looks as though she won't be shown at Belfast.  Hope all's OK and good luck at the show anyone who is entered.

Hi Di

I'm sure you've heard from Rachel by now but I was talking to her briefly this morning and ChaCha is ok...she sustained a bite wound from a rescue dog that no-one knew was unpredictable with other dogs so Rachel is resting her for the moment but she's on the mend :-)

OMG, I've just heard about this on another Forum.  But did anyone else hear about the woman who took her dogs and kids to the Belfast show?  One of the dogs was due to whelp!  The woman left the dog that was due to whelp in the car with her kids while she went off to show the other dogs.  The dog then went into Labour in the car with the kids, unsupervised!!!  The NERVE of some people!!!  I mean seriously, obviously her puppies and kids are not a priority.

This is under investigation as photographs were taken by another party.

"OMG, I've just heard about this on another Forum.  But did anyone else hear about the woman who took her dogs and kids to the Belfast show?  One of the dogs was due to whelp!  The woman left the dog that was due to whelp in the car with her kids while she went off to show the other dogs.  The dog then went into Labour in the car with the kids, unsupervised!!!  The NERVE of some people!!!  I mean seriously, obviously her puppies and kids are not a priority.

This is under investigation as photographs were taken by another party. "

Sorry to post this here, I should have started another thread.  I had not heard of the dog attack, only the foolish woman taking a dog in whelp to a show.  Sorry for any confusion.

why was n,t she reported it,s people like her who give the rest of us caring owners a bad name

She needs dealing with harshly by the KC,if I had been show management I would of ordered her to leave (so long as the bitch had finshed).
There are pics on carol ann Johnsons site today of pups and the disgusting owner.

Apparently it is under investigation, as the show committee were made aware of very upset and distressed children in the car park.

So glad to see that photo's have been put up!!  Didn't a similiar incident happen a couple of years ago?

only found one photo it is shocking , i was at a show in dublin a couple of months' ago and there was a jrt in pup , who looked like she was ready to whelp , she was very upset . i went back in to show centre and told someone from the ikc , and it was also called over the intercom and the owner came back ,

some people :-(

She has the litter advertised on CD. Personally I don't think she should be able to. Genuine caring breeders should only be allowed to advertise. The woman has a partner at home who could have looked after the bitch. The breed clubs should expel her as well.

Let's hope Admin have been advised. This person doesn't deserve her dogs if she finds a show more important than her pregnant bitch.  Weird how the expected due date on here is a month after the bitch had the pups.

I find this absolutely appalling. As a mother myself, I can only imagine what those poor children were going through until they were found, they must have been terrified.

Also, I had assumed that this person must have lived in Northern Ireland, (not that that in any way excuses or explain it!) but it seems she travelled her dog and children all the way from Southern England. it is a 6 hour ferry journey from Liverpool to Belfast, what on earth would have happened if the bitch had have whelped then and got into trouble whilst alone?

It is no wonder people who breed and show get such a bad reputation when the small minority act like this. No prize, rosette or award is worth the welfare of a bitch or her pups.

I really hope the welfare soceities can do somethignt o protect this womans dogs from her stupidity and selfishness in the future.

She whelped under the supervision of the Show Vet (who is also the USPCA senior vet).  The USPCA also had officers there taking notes apparently.  Not sure where else will have information on this, but I guess it will come out in the dog press soon!

I think this is disgusting, poor poor girl having to go through that - her owners should be totally ashamed of themselves I will never understand how people could put a possible prize at a show before the welfare of a dog.

I don't care if they are saying that there was a Vet in attendance, the bitch should not have been put in this situation. I really believe the KC should show some credibility now and ensure this person is banned from showing and she should also be banned from membership of any breed clubs. After all surely this is against all code of ethics. No, not acceptable under any circumstances.

The USPCA are the Ulster Society for Prevention of Cruelty to Animals and they were VERY interested in this situation.  According to other GSP people: the poo is about to hit the fan!  The Breed Club is furious, as is the rest of the show world, the reaction is also intensified (although everyone would still be peed off but now there has to be a stand made) since THAT programme went out and I don't doubt this foolish woman will be made an example of.  Well, I hope so anyway.  Looking forward to the dog papers in the next couple of days.

Should make very interesting reading. But hope this bitch and her puppies are okay.

Another mockery of the Accredited Breeder Scheme sadly!

Does anyone know what breed it was?  (are we allowed to know)

I think another poster has already said...German Shorthaired Pointer :-)

Oh right ...thanks. No doubt we will get the story soon enough.

On the face of it looks very damming and even if KC and breed clubs come down on this breeder.... Joe Public will just file the story under
'Those d**n dog breeders'
I feel that we now sit somewhere between Injury Lawyers and Second hand car dealers on the public's scale of trustworthiness.
Why oh why does this hobby attract such people... ( retorical question .....I know.....money!)

> Another mockery of the Accredited Breeder Scheme sadly!

They can't be expected to predict that a breeder will behave like this.  What will count is how they deal with the matter.

Any idea who should be emailed re this situation? and given the depth of feeling perhaps emails to relevant parties expressing this depth of feeling would go a long way. I heard from a non doggy acqaintance that she had heard this story already and took great delight in telling me all about it! The breeder (I use the term loosely) in question should have the book thrown at her. I had an accidental litter last year and missed WKC, bournemouth and City of Birmingham (2 dogs entered at each) as my bitch was due 5 days aft WKC and had her litter for the other 2. What was this person thinking??? Hope she comes on here to explain her actions? So selfish!
Angela

> Another mockery of the Accredited Breeder Scheme sadly!

Is she an AB then? If so, she ought to be kicked off the scheme right away.

I can't find any reference to the scheme on her web site.

but it seems she travelled her dog and children all the way from Southern England. it is a 6 hour ferry journey from Liverpool to Belfast, what on earth would have happened if the bitch had have whelped then and got into trouble whilst alone?

Not excusing ANYTHING here (perish the thought), but do we know she went from Liverpool? The ferry only takes 2 hours from Scotland.

I had heard she came from Oxford?

Not excusing ANYTHING here (perish the thought), but do we know she went from Liverpool? The ferry only takes 2 hours from Scotland

No, we don't. Although it is possible as it would have been the nearest port. Failing that, she drove the poor bitch to Stranraer, which I don't see is much better? The fast ferry from Stranraer actually only takes  an hour or so, but I still wouldn't want to travel an in whelp bitch that far and then leave it unsupervised. It doesn't take long to run into problems.

can some one pm a link to her website to me , interested to see

ginastarr

Sent via pm

What amazes me is that a breed specific forum has banned the discussion of this subject.  I followed the debate and do not think that it was a 'witch hunt' ; for someone who is an outsider to the show world and only works their dogs, this APPEARS to me as yet another example of a 'closed shop' and the show world protecting their own.  I am therefore very interested in your reaction and will keenly follow what happens.

I hope that it is NOT allowed to die a quiet death.

> I had heard she came from Oxford?

She does, Banbury.

I don't care which ferry she took to get to Belfast; it is inexcusable what she has done. Even if she lived in Ireland you wouldn't take a whelping bitch to a show!

> What amazes me is that a breed specific forum has banned the discussion of this subject

Which forum was this please? Like you I hope this doesn't become a closed shop as you put it and she gets what she deserves but I wonder if the thread was stopped because it will go before the breed clubs?

It is the group run by Dave Bishop of GSP Rescue SW on Yahoo
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/pointerman007/messages/5017?viscount=-30

I hope that both the GSP Association and the GSP Club become involved - to be honest I am in two minds whether to phone them tomorrow myself.  I hope also for the integrity of pedigree dogs everywhere and the showing world that this is not allowed to be swept under the carpet.  I have no personal axe to grind with the individual concerned other than from the welfare perspective.

> Another mockery of the Accredited Breeder Scheme sadly!

I have looked in the latest BRS where she has a litter registered and she is not a KCAB.

Can anyone think of any plausible explanation for taking a heavily in-whelp bitch hundreds of miles to a show? I have racked my brains just in case, but I can't think of one... I do wonder what on earth was going through her mind.... :-(

> I do wonder what on earth was going through her mind....

A green card it would seem

Well I suspect it has backfired for her - because if, particularly in in the current climate, she is not severely disciplined by both breed clubs and Kennel Club for acting in a manner prejudicial to the interests of the dog world and compromising animal welfare I will eat my hat, following which I will beat a path to their door to seek the reason why not. How can a green card possibly come before your bitch's welfare? In fact - I wonder if it may actually be covered by current Animal Welfare legislation also?

> She does, Banbury.
>

That's where the KC Chairman, Ronnie Irving, lives. I wonder if he'll go round and tell her what everyone thinks about her? ;)

Can someone send me a pm with her website address, thanks, its disgraceful!!! :-(((((

please pm me to thanks

> this APPEARS to me as yet another example of a 'closed shop' and the show world protecting their own.

I suspect it is more to do with avoiding any chance of either a libel case or prejudice to any case that might be brought against the breeder.

Can someone send me a pm with her website address, thanks,
i hope they throw the book at her
she wants banning

Gunner I'm on a few gundog sites and when details of working people not doing health tests even though they know there's a problem in their line is brought up that is always closed so don't make out that gundog and show people are any different.

This story is covered on page 2 of OD this week, including owner and dog's names. Bet this exhibitor is rather regretting her actions now.

M.

Does anyone know when the issue is on OD online? Or if it is? (I have only just joined!)

I am glad she has been named, and I hope she feels the full wrath of any authorities who can take this further.

This week's is on there now, K. Apparently she whelped the first pup and then went to show her bitch in Post Grad as she knew it would be a while before the next pup. (Obviously didn't whelp the last bitch I did, when I was struggling to catch them they were coming out so fast LOL!) Nine pups born and it's the bitch's fourth litter.

M.

Perhaps the breeder believed the bitch wasn't due for 4 weeks for whatever reason.    It seems far fetched but something very odd has went on certainly.

Could someone PM me I can see two with litters due in a months time.

Apparently the bitch wasn't due for a week, and wasn't meant to be going but for a last minute change of plans which meant that the children and the in-whelp bitch had to be taken.

M.