A dog with a hernia? a friend of mine has a puppy with a small hernia and was planning on showing, is it ok or can she not show?

If you leave it alone then yes you can show her, some judges will notice other will not, if you have it repaired you should by right get permission to show from the KC and that is unlikely to be given.

So all your friend can do is to follow the advice of her vet and if they say leave it alone then she can show, if the vet advises to have it repaired then it is likely that permission to show will not be given, of course, the health of the dog is paramount.

It is possible it will dissapear anyway.

Thanks that brill, are hernias hereditary? iv read so many conflicting things its getting confusing

I really wouldn't worry too much about it.  It's more common than you think especially in some breeds.  If it's a coated breed most judges won't even notice.  However if your friend plans to breed from this bitch it's something to watch and monitor, as the abdomen expands with pregnancy it can sometimes cause complications.

It really depends what type of hernia it is but they can be hereditory.  I have them in my lines and if left alone they tend to dissapear on their own.

Did the vet say "you can have it repaired when we spay?" that's the classic line - lol

I tend to try and push the soft tissue back in when they are very young, sometimes it can just be delayed closure.

Vicky x

Yes you can show a dog with a hernia but it would be better if it were not detectable from ringside i.e. doesn't spoil the dogs underline.
Hairy dogs fair well with this but I did see a huge one on a Basenji and it looked awful.

In my experience hernias are definately hereditary and in fact I have had a dog I know definately threw them.
In some breeds they talk of 'hernia free lines' in some families.
The big difference beween a large protruding bit of gut through the wall of the abdomen and a 'late closure' ie when the ring closes and traps a bit of fatty tissue behind, should be taken into consideration. I personally wouldn't breed from the former so I probably wouldn't show it..

Hi pups a male, shes only just got him so hasnt seen a vet yet but she will see what he thinks is best.

is it possible to be hereditary and none of the other pups have 1, also this is a repeat mating and the first litter never had any hernia's, sorry for all the questions but i dont really know anything about hernias.

In dog breeding there are many long-held myths and old wives tales and Umbilical Hernias have plenty of their own.
I've lost count of people who truly believe that they are caused by the mother pulling on the cord. Anatomically speaking it is the little diaphram ( ring of muscle) which needs to close around the opening from which the umbilical cord came.The mother has no effect (other than giving her genes) on the ability for this to close or it's rate of closing.

I dont know the genetic mode of inheritance of this condition, nor do many, due to the fact that scientific studies in dogs are usually carried out on more serious conditions
.In practical terms I have observed ( in the breeds I've owned) over 30 years that in my carrier bitches, even when I cut the cords, they have a much higher tendency to have UHs. In my non-carriers they could swing the pups by their cord and never produce one, but it takes two to tango and the dog  has an equal share in the incidence of this, fairly trivial, condition and as I've said I had a male which definately threw this trait .
In repeat matings you still get the random occurences thrown up in sexual reproduction....... this hopefully keeps a population diverse and why not all children from the same parents look the same.

Thanks for all the replies they have been very helpful.

> , if you have it repaired you should by right get permission to show from the KC and that is unlikely to be given.

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Actually Jackie the KC have done a U turn on that one (a couple of years ago now) and will give permission to show after a hernia op, but have stated they are looking into the issue further re heredity and may change policy again, so the present situation is without prejudice to future policy.

> In practical terms I have observed ( in the breeds I've owned) over 30 years that in my carrier bitches, even when I cut the cords, they have a much higher tendency to have UHs. In my non-carriers they could swing the pups by their cord and never produce one,

Completely agree with this statement.  Whether I cut or the bitch does the job herself has had no effective, they are either going to have it or not.

In a male pup I would be even less concerned and more reluctant to have it surgically repaired, especially if a coated breed and therefore it wasn't obvious.

In my experience I have had litters where only one pup has had a hernia and as tooolz has stated it's just like any other inherited condition.  Each pup in isolation has a % chance of having one, some do some don't.

I really wouldn't be too concerned.

Vicky

It's very common in my breed, my girl has a medium size one and nobody has ever commented and she's done very well at the shows. :-)

I personally wouldn't breed from the former so I probably wouldn't show it..

Ditto.

> If you leave it alone then yes you can show her, some judges will notice other will not, if you have it repaired you should by right get permission to show from the KC and that is unlikely to be given.

I got the Kennel Gazette for some years, and in Permission To Show I have always seen permission given following umbilical hernia repair. It seems a number of people do get them repaired to show and are granted permission.

If you read Brainless reply further up the thread you'll see that currently there are permissions being granted :)

I didn't read down the whole thread first I responded to the post that I saw. But I was already aware that permissions are being granted as that is what I just said. ;-)

My mistake - it read as though (since you've received the KG for a number of years) you were under the impression this had always been the case :)

Sorry, seems I gave you false information, at one time the KC would not give permission to show for a hernia repair, it seems that at the moment they will, my apologies.

Wasn't how it was meant to read - have received the Kennel Gazette, off and on, for over 5 years - and I have always seen permission to show being granted for umb hernia repair. Prob my wording - can't think straight at the moment.

YES............. i have a champion with one!!!

Thanks so much i will pass the info on xx