hi guys as you know i am new to this dog showing lark and i was wondering if someone would mind exsplaining the difference to me over the AVNSC and the AV classes, and tell me what dogs can be entered in each, because im not sure i understand.
Tanya x

AVNSC just means that if you don't have a breed class then you enter AVNSC. AV is for anyone

Any Variety Not Seperately Classified means just that. As said, if you don't have a class for the breed this is where you usually enter your dog. It tends to be the less common breeds.

With the AVNSC (Any Variety Not Seperately Classified) Is for dog breeds who dont have their own breed classes.  If you compete and win the AVNSC you go on to group just like you would if you won best of breed.  AV (Any Variety) are for anyone they may or may not have already competed in breed classes or an AVNSC class.  A winner of an AV class does not go on to compete in group level.  There is an exception to that rule to do with puppy classes but thats when individual club rules come in.
Also when it comes to the order of judging for the day a AVNSC class can be at anytime just like a breed class but an AV class can only take place when all the breed and AVNSC classes for that group (Hound, terrier, etc) have been completed so AV classes tend to be at the end of the day.

Hope that all makes sense

Emma

Just to give an example, I show Cavaliers which pretty much always have breed classes, so I can put them in the breed and also in AV Toy, as they are a toy breed. But if I showed a rarer breed like Maltese I would often not have breed classes, so I could put them in AV and also in AVNSC. :-)

Sorry to jump on this thread,but its connected,just bare with me.In a breed class where for example there are P.G and Open,even if there are no specified puppy classes ,best puppy in breed has to be declared,and believe me I have been caught out on this a couple of times as the Steward and judge was unsure!I am on a waiting list for a breed that rarely has a breed specific class so will have to go in A.V.N.S.C.Am I right in thinking best puppy has to be declared in this class?Thanks Jude.

Yes, as far as I am aware a Best Puppy AVNSC should always be declared. :-)

Thanks i thought so,its just that I have been to a couple of open shows standing like a Banana waiting for best puppy in breed only to be told,oh there isn't a puppy class!!!!!I have tried arguing my point.You would have thought the steward/judge would know.

If there are puppies entered and there is a Best Puppy in Show award. Best Puppy in Breed/ Best Avnsc Puppy must always be awarded.
They can come from any class if not beaten by another puppy.

Am i right in thinking a show not judged on the group system the winner of Best AV and Best AV puppy can go on to compete for BIS and BPIS  (if of course it's unbeaten).  Hoping I'm right as I told a puppy buyer this.

I know best AV MP or P can providing there wasn't a MP or P scheduled in their breed, not sure about AV - don't think so.  AV Veteran however can providing again there were no V classes in their breed.

Perhaps some else can clarify

Vicky

Yes you are right.

> I have been to a couple of open shows standing like a Banana waiting for best puppy in breed only to be told,oh there isn't a puppy class!!!!!I have tried arguing my point.You would have thought the steward/judge would know.

I got caught out like this once too.  It seems that the steward hadn't noted the age of my dog and bought it to the attention of the judge.  As I was new I didn't really challenge them but I should have withdrawn from my next class and gone onto Puppy Group.  Never mind - I learned it for the next time and always looked in the catalogue to see what other puppies were in my classes so I could do my own checking in future!!

Now we are out of puppy we've new things to learn!!

thanks guys... its good to see it explained clearly... the books seem to explain it clear as mud

My breed often has puppies lurking in Junior or even Graduate classes, if someone has kept 2 or 3 from a litter. So I've got in the habit of always checking through for puppies when I steward, always seems to impress the judges! :-D

Yeah likewise I look through for the puppies, I hate for someone to miss out on a rosette they deserve.

Emma