Naturediet have discontinued their Original and have introduced a new flavour Rabbit & Turkey. Bit miffed really as the Original is my dogs favourite!!! will have to try and stock up before it sells out altogether. Tried the Rabbit one today and they ate it OK.

That's a shame - that is the one we always get :(

I have to say that I am really not impressed with their website.  The only part of it which is kept up to date is their online shop.  A pity as their product is one of the best and this does not make the best of it. 

Thats really weird!! I have been feeding this to my shih tzus for last 2 weeks and this particular flavour has made them ill, they have been fine on all others but the original has made them very very loose, was up all night with one!

Not had a problem with the Original, that was the only one they really liked, apart from the new one Rabbit & Turkey, they wolfed that one down too. Going to contact them tomorrow to see if they have some boxes left!!!!

Yes, have to agree with you on the website, You would think they would want to keep it up to date. I'll mention it to them when I phone to order.

They are changing a lot of thier products.  One of my dogs has the sensitive gold and that is being discontinued.  Its to do with the amount of complaints from people over the smell of the tripe in it and the costs of some of the herbs.
They have been very good and sent me lots of kennel packs at a low cost and rang me when thier final batch was ready to see if I wanted a lot before they dispatched it to shops.

I like the product very much,but i still have a problem getting that lid off,they have changed it recently but i still cant get it off without having to cut it .

Me too, thought I was just being an idiot !!

I notice on Berriewood's website, where I buy my Naturediet from, that there is another new one. Salmon and prawn with vegetables with rice. It's the new sensitive one I believe. They've also put all their prices up :-(

just order the salmon one along with arden g wet food and nature diet rabbit and lamd over £100 worth the dogs eat better than i do

With the cost of food going up and up I expect many manufacturers will switch to formulas that are cheaper for them to produce and keep the costs to us within reason.   As long as the food is of the same quality and has the same benefits as the original versions there's no problem with it (apart from some picky dogs, of course!) 

As for Naturediet - I believe many years ago they had a tripe-only variety and then eventually mixed that with chicken (?) because there were so many complaints about the odour.  Runs true that manufactured dog foods have to appeal to the people that buy them too :-)

My Dobe does really well on the sensitive gold How annoying. I saw on another website that they have now put flaxseed/linseed in all the flavours apart from the fish and rice (I think) - gives my dog the squits something major.

Aren't people pathetic!  Tripe is so good for dogs and that is one of the reasons why I have stuck with Naturediet.  They should promote this and try and re-educate people rather than pandering to silly human senstivities!!!

The Fish and Potatoe one is the new sensitive one that they reccomended I use for my JRT, they did advise I added a little tripe myself though for extra protein.
They sent me 6 free packs to try and it does seem ok.

Please do not say they have put flaxseed/linseed into the fish rice potato as he can not eat any other food on the market. I am going to have to phone them

> Please do not say they have put flaxseed/linseed into the fish rice potato as he can not eat any other food on the market. I am going to have to phone them

Fish, rice, potato new batches will have flaxseed/linseed in. God help me what do I feed him now!!

> My Dobe does really well on the sensitive gold <IMG alt=mad src="/images/mad.gif"> How annoying. I saw on another website that they have now put flaxseed/linseed in all the flavours apart from the fish and rice (I think) - gives my dog the squits something major.

It will be put in the new batches - darn I could cry now :(

Fish, rice, potato new batches will have flaxseed/linseed in. God help me what do I feed him now!!

Home made? 

>The Fish and Potatoe one is the new sensitive one that they reccomended I use for my JRT, they did advise I added a little tripe myself though for extra protein. They sent me 6 free packs to try and it does seem ok.

I thought the new sensitive one was the salmon and prawn flavour? The fish/rice/potato is another one. That one is ok...my dog is (was!) fine with both the sensitive gold and the fish one - it's linseed/flaxseed that I meant gives my dog the squits. I wonder why they are now putting that in. Also makes a lot of dogs itchy.

That's the only dog food mine could have at one point as well katt. Naturediet were having a lot of problems back then though, and I ended up putting him on raw in the end which he was then on for 2 years and did great on bum-wise (much to my suprise) but had non stop skin problems that gradually got worse and worse. He has a mixture of raw, kibble and naturediet now, although I will be stopping the ND when I run out of what I've got if they are putting flaxseed in (did they tell you why?). Also having a bit of a nightmare with kibble. He was on Nutro lamb and rice but it's very hard to come by at the moment. Tried him with Burns and Arden Grange (switching him over a 3 week period) but both gave him awful squits. Fish Orijen his poos are ok on (although rather large!) but something about it sends him wild scratching. Tried him with Wafcol salmon and potato in the past before I discovered ND but another squitty one (the dreaded flaxseed strikes again).

Have you tried looking at the wet foods on Zooplus? They have a big range, although not sure if anything is similar to the fish/rice ND.

Can he cope with chicken Zarah? Naturesmenu now do some tinned food (Chicken with potato, peas & carrots, Beef & Chicken with potato, peas &
carrots, Lamb & Chicken with vegetables & rice, Chicken & Salmon with vegetables & rice.) I don't think they put flaxseed in any of their foods. I've noticed in their raw completes they've started adding salmon oil tho'.

> Fish, rice, potato new batches will have flaxseed/linseed in. God help me what do I feed him now!!
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> Home made?&nbsp;

Bit hard to do that ad  he can only eat one meat protein and thats fish :(

> That's the only dog food mine could have at one point as well katt. Naturediet were having a lot of problems back then though, and I ended up putting him on raw in the end which he was then on for 2 years and did great on bum-wise (much to my suprise) but had non stop skin problems that gradually got worse and worse. He has a mixture of raw, kibble and naturediet now, although I will be stopping the ND when I run out of what I've got if they are putting flaxseed in (did they tell you why?). Also having a bit of a nightmare with kibble. He was on Nutro lamb and rice but it's very hard to come by at the moment. Tried him with Burns and Arden Grange (switching him over a 3 week period) but both gave him awful squits. Fish Orijen his poos are ok on (although rather large!) but something about it sends him wild scratching. Tried him with Wafcol salmon and potato in the past before I discovered ND but another squitty one (the dreaded flaxseed strikes again).
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> Have you tried looking at the wet foods on Zooplus? They have a big range, although not sure if anything is similar to the fish/rice ND.

Zarah  I was told they have put it into new batches for Omega 3 & 6. Stupid in my opinion as the fish content shound have provided the Omega's. I've looked at the new ingredients of Naturediet and I can not find Kelp in the ingredients looks like the kelp has been replaced.

I've looked at Zooplus and their is nothing not sure what I am going to do as he can only eat fish. Going to have to talk to the vet's to see if we all can work out a natural home made diet as no food on the market suit's him due to his allergies.

If anyone finds a diet that has just fish, rice, potato's in please pm me, I would be ever so greatfull. He can have kelp as a add on but nothing else.

That means NO other meat proteins, NO sunflower oil, NO oats, NO soya, NO linseed/flax etc.

Just fish, rice, potatoes, kelp

Is beet fibre off the list. Fish 4 Dogs has this in it:
Fresh Fish 30.5%, Potato30.5%, Herring Meal 21.4%, Salmon Oil 7.6%, Beet Fibre 6.4%, Brewers Yeast 2.1%, Minerals 0.8%, Vitamins 0.7%

Maybe the best option is to work out a diet of fresh with the vet. I buy raw packs of white fish from prize choice. You'd need to cook the potatos and rice. Kelp can be found a few places.

Thank you Lori  for trying to help :)

He does eat the fish treats from Fish 4 Dogs but he can not have Beet Fibre or Brewers Yeast in the dog food.
I've managed to get a few more box's of ND so I have 6 months worth, this will give me time to work something out.
He does have daily raw fish added to ND, was thinking about attempting to create ND in the kitchen and I found the kelp all I need is the vitamins, but I'm bit worried about giving the wrong dose.

I do not want him like he used to be so I think I best visit the vets first, maybe the vet will be able to tell me what to do.

Hi Katt,

> I'm bit worried about giving the wrong dose

Hope the following info will be of use: Your vet may very well be able to assist, always a good first port of call, but be minded not all are fully trained in Nutrition (specific) hopefully he/she will be able to point you in the direction of an associate more knowledgable if this is the case.  Meanwhile my tip would be to join BRITBARF its a google group, and the gentleman that runs the site is extremely well learned in this area, takes his research seriously and diligently..Im sure you will be able to get some good sound advice there (from him)
     On the subject of vitamin and supplementing this info from Provet on supplements,amounts and indications is pretty comprehensive.
SA-37 is commonly used by alot of folk.
Im sure you'll get some good info on Britbarf (takes a few days to be accepted and join up but well worth it)
HTH! :-)
Liv.

forgot to say!

on the provet list you will see 'Keepers mix' (it comes from Dorwest Herbs - Keepers mix )
I use this with one of my dogs :)

Katt.... Ive just a light bulb moment, would the Exclusion range of dog food be of any use? seems to have what your looking for?

>Can he cope with chicken Zarah? Naturesmenu now do some tinned food

Is that the one in the sachets or is the tinned one different? Very confusing all this! Chicken is a bit hit and miss with him. Doesn't seem to cause an increase in scratching but it does seem to give him gunky eyes. Bum wise he seems to be ok with it 2 or 3 times a week, but anymore than that and he starts getting squitty. The problem I have with wet food in general though is that I struggle to keep the weight on him. When I stopped all raw I put him on the Sensitive Gold and it took a while but his skin cleared up lovely from about 6 weeks on, the itching was massively improved, toilet fine, but just can't get enough bulk in him without him getting the squits. That's why I started adding in dry so would be good if I could find another kibble to suit - bless him he'll eat anything and tucks in with glee, "anything" doesn't seem to like him though!

>seems to have what your looking for?

..and what you're not - sunflower oil and yeast :-P

guess what the turkey/rabbit give pagan up set tummy

mine all do well on lamb so will stick with that one.

Hi zarah. The tinned are new and not the same as the pouches. Haven't tried them myself tho' (or the dogs for that matter), so don't know what they're like. The pouches did make my lot loose, so the tins may well do the same. The only way I've kept weight on Hattie is raw feeding, but she obviously doesn't have the same skin problems as Talli.

Thank you HuskyGal for the links, I am very grateful :)

I'm going to print all the info and show to the vets, I am a big fan of Dorwest herbs I use a few products already :)

I am a wary about online groups but I will have a little look.
I have had problems with online groups in the past as I was told by a few that if a dog eats raw food the allergies disappear. This is completely false and dangerous advice I was given, my dogs Allopathic and homeopathic vet where disgusted when I showed them the information and they both agreed.

Both my Allopathic and homeopathic vet in the past have agreed that it is very difficult for a dog that can only eat one meat protein to live on a BARF diet but I think this will be my only option so they will have to help me device one or send us to someone that can.

In the mean time I'll pray ND changes their minds on the igredients change on the sensitive food.

> Katt.... Ive just a light bulb moment, would the http://www.zooplus.co.uk/shop/dogs/dry_dog_food/exclusion/62671" rel=nofollow Exclusion range of dog food be of any use? seems to have what your looking for?

Thank you Huskeygirl :) , I got excited then but no he can not have it :(

Ingredients:
Potato, herring, sunflower oil, fish oil, dried yeast, vitamins, minerals, taurine, aloe vera, rosmary extract.

The food has sunflower and dried yeast in :(
I have only ever used aloe vera on his skin, but aloe vera can give lose stools so been told not to give this internally.

Thankyou Thankyou Thankyou Milo my JRT has been scratching madly again and biting himself.  he is still on the sensitive gold though but i usually buy a small bag of JWB as treats.  He is having the fish one and I looked and it contains linseed.  This must be what has set his reaction off again. I would never have realised if it hadn't been said on here that it can cause a problem.
Goodness knows what I am going to feed him now.  He cannot have dried food as a main part of his diet as he sets his stomach ulcer off and he becomes anemic (sp) on it.
I don't want to be feeding him chicken wings or anything with bones in as the one time I tried him he got into difficulty with a lodged bone and ended up at the vets.
I thought about just buying the frozen minces and adding rice or potatoe but what else should I add to make sure he gets all his vitamins? 
I really have trouble keeping any weight on him and ND sensitive gold was the only food he has ever been able to tolerate.

Have you tried either Natures Menu in pouches or the frozen raw Nature's Menu (includes veg and rice)? 

So fustrated just now as so far I have found nothing that will suit my dog :( bevb tell me what Milo can only have and I will keep a look out while hunting for new food for my dog.

I personaly spend over £250. a year with ND add up you as well bevb that would be approx £500. between us both In a year. This may seem a small amount to them but if you then add up all the other customers dogs that can not tollerate the new igredients, I think ND may find many lost customers due to this change in the sensitive food.

Maybe if everyone wrote to ND asking them not to change the sensitive range. Not sure if this will work but might be worth a try.

I will be writing to ND as over the weekend I bought one of the new recipe/packaged ND from a petshop to try on my three.  I only gave my German shepherd 1/4 of a tray with her complete dry food on saturday evening and when I got up at 5.30 Sunday morning I found 4 huge piles of loose cowpatty poop all over the floor. :-0 It could've only been the ND because she didn't have anything differnt from normal and she has been fine since I have put her back on the old ND.  It didn't affect my other two though. I'll be looking for something else for Pagan now unless ND change the recipe back to what it was.

It was the chicken one I tried by the way.

I sent two emails since the last time I posted here and so far I have received no reply :(

I rang them this week. The woman I spoke to noted my concerns and said she'd pass my comments on 'to the powers that be'   She seemed quite shocked when I said there were a few concerns with the new recipe of ND being mentioned on some dog forums.  She also said that I was the first complaint she's had and that she would be looking at some of the dog forums (I didn't mention which ones). Also she advised me to put my concerns in a letter to ND.

> She seemed quite shocked when I said there were a few concerns with the new recipe of ND being mentioned on some dog forums

Bodhi that is very odd as I did tell them my concerns. I shall also send them a letter in hope that they will change mind on the ingredients.

For the past 4 days my dogs been unwell, upset tum (squirting like no tomorrow), smelly coat, red itchy ears and chewing feet these are signs of allergy for him (We had to take him to vets for meds). The vet knows we only feed him what he is allowed and can not fathom what has happened.
Told me to check the food I can see tiny pieces of carrots in but I've had this before and he has never had a problem with carrots so I know it's not this, not sure what has set him off he will be on cooked fish and rice from tomorrow.

If you do write here's one more tale to tell. My dog can eat everything with no upset. He usually eats raw but I bought some ND turkey/rabbit for him for an occasional quickie or if I was out (easy for the OH). He had very bad diarrhea - first time in over a year. He's eaten similar types of food with no problem (he can eat kibble, Nature's Harvest, kitchen scraps, 2 wk old carcasses - he's not picky).

Just spotted this new wet food on zooplus. Ingredients list further down the page says that the fish and potato flavour consists of just 70% fish and 30% potato, nothing else.

Well, I telephoned last week and told them how miffed I was too. The explanation they gave was that they were stopping the original, chicken/tripe etc because they had had a lot of complaints from customers about the smell. But the customers aren't eating it I said, the dogs are!!! she said they had to go with the flow of all the complaints about the smell which I find hard to believe. I think they will loose a lot of their customers now, I've tried mine with the Natures Menu pouches but they're not as keen, same with the Natures harvest.

Zarah Herrmanns Organic ingredients look good :) I'm going to phone zooplus on monday to double check with them.
Thank you for posting link :)
xx

this is really odd - my youngster used to get the squits on the original but the rabbit and turkey she loves and is doing great on.

dvnbiker thats good news :) in my opinion ND is a very good food one of the best on the market.
I think it's just whats ok for one maybe no good for another.

I know this may seem obvious, but rather than paying a small fortune for a tin of fish and potato manufactured in Germany (I assume), could you not just cook it yourself to the same proportions that are in the tin?