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Topic Dog Boards / Breeding / Choosing a stud dog!
- By fecimus [gb] Date 10.07.08 09:15 UTC
I am looking to mate one of my bitches later on in the year and have looked around at many stud dogs.
The breed has a small gene pool and I want to not breed too close! I keep looking at the many different qualitys of my bitch and what she needs to compliment her, she is rather naked and i need a dog with some coat, she is very outgoing and loves everything so another dog with a fab temprament would be better.

I am importing a dog later on in the year and could use him, he has a beautiful pedigree, but this would be a complete outcross. He is also of a colour that is accepted in the UK, however we do not have any! The colour was not desirable i would like to bring this colour back in. He is a champion in the country he comes from.

I wanted to know wether to use the imported dog on my bitch or not? Or wether to go with another dog that has produced some lovely pups and would compliment her pedigree really well.

New lines, or Line breeding??
- By Isabel Date 10.07.08 09:28 UTC
I can't imagine anyone can really advise you without knowing the breed (which you cannot state due to TOS) and the individual dogs involved as these decisions are so complex.  If you are uncertain I would use your contacts within the breed or use the Breed Club for advise.
- By peanuts [gb] Date 10.07.08 11:20 UTC
If it was me i would use your new import, chances are that people are going to want to use him him the future to widen the genepool , so why don't you use him first to see what he throws.
Yes it may be an total outcross but thats the chance that you take. If he is a champion then he must be a good example of the breed.

Peanuts
- By Noora Date 10.07.08 11:48 UTC
I assume the dog compliments the bitch lookwise and has not got the same faults etc.
If the dog has been used in his home country I would look into what kind of type were the bitches and what kind of type he left with them.
If he has not been used what about seeing his sisters/parents etc for an idea what he carries to see if it would be likely to go with your girl.

In the end you are importing in some new blood so you should use it to see how it goes in with your line :)!
Or have you got other girls in mind who you brought the boy for?
You might get a litter that is not all even but does it really matter if they are healthy and you can pick the one that is most like you want them to be and carry on from her/him.
- By fecimus [gb] Date 10.07.08 19:48 UTC
He has been used in his home contry once, and the resulting pups are really nice one is already on its way to becoming a champion only one more cc to go!!
I think i might have a go and see what i get as the bitch that he has already been used on is very similar to mine and the pups are very nice. If nothing comes of it then I can only say I have tried!! He has had all relevent heath tests and is clear and the pups he has porduced are clear too so I am pleased about that.

His pedigree combines some very old English lines that were exported to America, also American lines that are very solid in producing nice dogs, and also some Swiss lines too.... but he lives in Sweden! He is very continental.... He has also been shown under Brenda Banbury and Gordon Williams, they have both given him CC's in Sweden so hopefully he will be what they are looking for in the UK aswell..:)

I think he would compliment my bitch nicely he is a big dog and my bitch is a pretty little girl so i should end up with some substantial pups!
Just waiting for the rabies all clear before he comes over.. then all the other paper work!! Arg!!

Im very excited about his arrival!!
- By Tip [gb] Date 11.08.08 00:29 UTC
I suggest that you do some detailed research into the dogs in the background of the pedigree of the dog you are bringing in. It is no use relying on photos or reports from others. You need to see the dogs behind the dog you are bringing in. You really need to see the Swedish and American dogs behind him. You also need a detailed health picture. Do the dogs behind it have good hips, eye clearances, elbows, cardiac and thyroid. Many overseas countries are better at doing health clearances and do more than the basic hips and eyes and have been doing them for longer than the UK.
I assume you have been over to see the dog that is coming over. What do you feel he will bring as a benefit to your bitch? what are his strong points. You mention that he is big and will produce big pups. As your bitch is small, you may end up having to do a Caesarean if the pups are too big to be born naturally. Is the other (i assume UK) dog you mention strong in the places where your bitch is weak.

In most breeds linebreeding is good, but too much linebreeding does cause problems such as small litters and fixing of faults as well as good points. It also reduces diversity. These however are known problems as you know your line. I assume that this is a bitch you bred and know the strong and weak points of your line. An outcross is good but unless you have a good knowledge of the dog and what is behind it then you can also be asking for trouble. You may get something you didnt want.
You mention that it is a colour not in the country and you want to bring it back in. That sounds like the colour seems to be the driving force behind using this dog. I am not sure that this is the best criteria to base a breeding on IMHO.
- By crinklecut [gb] Date 11.08.08 04:33 UTC
I would be very careful when using a dog from overseas. Champion status in some countries is so easy to achieve that it does not necessarily make them a better dog, in some of the European shows there may be only a handful of dogs entered so to make up a champion is simply a matter of turning up a few times. Also, with regards to breeding you do not always know what is behind a dog from overseas. With UK dog you tend to see one generation after another so can get a good idea of type and temperament etc. With an import, unless you have been to its native country to see relatives and offspring (if any) it is an unknown quantity. I guess it all comes down to research.
- By Brainless [gb] Date 11.08.08 08:23 UTC
Any breeding should be based on research and more research ;)
- By Saxon [gb] Date 11.08.08 08:51 UTC
I agree with what everybody else has said about doing your research, but if you are importing an entirely new bloodline, presumambly he's going to be an outcross for most of the bitches already in this country, therefore, somebody has to take the plunge and use him, otherwise it's a waste of time and money importing him. It might as well be you, in fact, as you are the one who imported him, if you don't use him people may start to wonder why.
- By perrodeagua [gb] Date 11.08.08 12:06 UTC
Actually you can state what breed as you do not have a litter etc and you are not advertising pups for sale.
- By fecimus [gb] Date 14.08.08 11:10 UTC
Have researched soo much looked at all of the other dogs pedigrees health results and pups health results, they all seem pretty good to me. He is a very very nice dog and firends who have gone over think he is very nice too.. He is coming over to do some showing so even if I do not use him he should have a nice time, the owner is paying for the importing and driving him to me aswell and then taking one of my dogs back to Sweden with her for some showing, so swapping dogs really just a trial and error really who knows, but my dog is very calm and settled wherever he goes so think he can cope with this well...

The main reason I want to use this dogs is he has some very old english lines in him that have died out as they were sent to American and not continued over here, there is a dog with similar pedigree and he has peduced some really nice blood lines!! So confusing..

The bitch is in season now so not going to mate her until her next one, gives me more time to think about it!! Celebrating this fact as she was 19 months before she had her first one and its only 8 months between her first and second so happy with that, although I have 3 bitches in season now and the stud dogs are going mental!! They are very vocal... they joy of breeding:)

Have spoken to the breeder and she thinks I should go with the English dog and wait and see what the Swedish dog does over here showing he might not be everyones cup of tea!!

Thank you all for your words they have really helped me!
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