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- By denese [gb] Date 29.07.08 07:48 UTC
Just read my emails on up to date reports on the dangers of mobile phone masts also mobile phones. A cancer professor, has warned his staff not to hold there mobile phones to there ears.  The radio signals and electromagnetic fields can penetrate the human brain, it is causing cancer of the brain and salivary glands. He said all children should only use there's in an emergency. Children under 8yrs not at all.
They warn us about globel warming, Just because we can't see the seriousness of the electrmagnetic fields, that causes cancer after approx. 5years. We should take precautions If it was black smoke we would all complain and they would have to stop it. I think they under mind our intellegence.
Why don't they send a satilite up and do it all from there, the companies can afford it!!
Our local councillors need to be told to have the masts and pillons put away from our homes and schools.
I don't see any on the houses of parliment! ~Why!!!

Denese
- By perrodeagua [gb] Date 29.07.08 11:33 UTC
How does he know it's due to mobile phones?  We seem to be getting a lot more now.
- By tooolz Date 29.07.08 13:07 UTC
No disrespect denese but this is very old news; in fact there have been several tv programmes about the latest research, none of which has given conclusive results.
The best advice they can give at present is moderation.

> Why don't they send a satilite up and do it all from there
because the signal has to reach a device which can convert these waves into audible sounds we can hear....ie a cell phone or similar device.

If we were able to see all the electromagnetic waves in our atmosphere we would see solar radiation not just feel heat and 'see' light.... infra red in solar and remote controls, radio waves from many sources including radio, air traffic etc.... microwaves....... well we would be astonished.... the air is awash with waves and many perfectly natural  - including the Sun... responsible for more cancers than most other things put together.
- By denese [gb] Date 29.07.08 14:29 UTC
Hi tooolz.
I know it has been mentioned for years but! there are a lot more now and things are getting very serious. There is a meeting in London in Sept at The Royal Society.Where the professors from all over the world to put there evidence forward.
The constant exposure does cause cancer,  our young  trusts us to look after there welfare.
In layman terms, the electomagnetic waves from pillions and mobile phone masts break down a chemical in our brain when we sleep, it stops us from going into a deep sleep, this is when this chemical is released and it helps us fight infections also cancers.
In children it can start, not being able to sleep, getting agitated, nose bleeds dark eyes. constant viruses.
There are more young women getting breast cancer than ever before, at a local school that has masts directly longside, there has been 3 young teachers die of breast cancer in the last 7 years, coincidence! maybe!
My daughter has a phone mast put directly in line with her home, we have had a professor out with a machine that measures the electomagnic waves. They are dangerously high. We have spent over £2000,00 trying to make the house safer. Paint, outside,loft plaster board with the metal backing. Paint inside, Lining in the curtains. It has Lowered the radiation by half on the inside but! still a high level to be constantly in. Now waiting for a special film for the windows. Sleeping in these waves can seriously damage your health.
Some countries have already band them in built up area's. Some horses have been known to react badly also.

Denese
- By denese [gb] Date 29.07.08 14:37 UTC
To much sun can be dangerous but! we do need the sun it supplies a geat amount of vit. D that we all need.
All these waves are around us but! the mobile phone masts and pillons are constant, we would not sit infront of an xray machine all day and sleep infront of it at night would we. How long do you think we would last?

Denese
- By Isabel Date 29.07.08 14:52 UTC

> the electomagnetic waves from pillions and mobile phone masts break down a chemical in our brain when we sleep


I think you are getting several things muddled up.  The knowledge that mobile phone signals, which are very strong (try switching one on in the vacinity of a radio) can be damaging to the the brain and should be restricted in use for children has been around for years.  If anything matters should be improving as manufacturers have been working on reducing the levels of emissions.  Which is why you might find you are now able to use phones in areas that were previously restricted.  However the idea that the very much lower magnetic fields associated with pylons has never been found to be harmful despite a great deal of research.  You can find lots of information on the WHO site.
- By Isabel Date 29.07.08 14:53 UTC

> mobile phone masts and pillons are constant, we would not sit infront of an xray machine all day


I think you are getting your rays well mixed up :-)
- By Astarte Date 29.07.08 15:17 UTC

> We seem to be getting a lot more now.


cancers?

also down to burnt toast, marachino cherries, badly fitting bras and a myriad of other things. essentially we just get them and anything in over abundance can cause them.
- By Astarte Date 29.07.08 15:18 UTC

> have been working on reducing the levels of emissions.  Which is why you might find you are now able to use phones in areas that were previously restricted


so true, try sending a text from a modern mobile or an old brick next to a radio or computer, the difference is huge!
- By Isabel Date 29.07.08 15:25 UTC

> There are more young women getting breast cancer than ever before


The risk for this type of cancer increases with obesity so you really would expect this given the increase in size in young women.
- By ice_queen Date 29.07.08 17:06 UTC
5 years?  Well I'm dead then arn't I?  Not only do I use my mobile quite abit I sleep with it next to my bed or under my pillow....

If I took all research seriously I would be living in a bubble starving to death....

After all Red meat, sun, bras, anti-perspriants give you cancer....Not to mention diet coke (can't remember what it wa sin it, was it aspartium?) But either way I'm causing so much cancer in my body aparently.........
- By Astarte Date 29.07.08 17:46 UTC

> can't remember what it wa sin it, was it aspartium?)


aspartimine or something like that, causes cancer and kills braincells.

> If I took all research seriously I would be living in a bubble starving to death....
>


couldn't agree more, theres being sensible and theirs being reactionary. whats the point in trying to live forever and having a boring life (not suggesting mobiles make for an interesting life but if we cut out everything that causes cancer it would be!)- as the fabulous bon jovi say "It's my life
It's now or never, I ain't gonna live forever, I just want to live while I'm alive!"
- By ice_queen Date 29.07.08 20:57 UTC
Ditto Bon-jovi!

I'm not here to live forever but I'm here to live a good life and enjoy every second of it? 

"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, wine in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming "WOO HOO, what a ride!"

aspartimine or something like that, causes cancer and kills braincells.

And I've drunk Diet coke all my life and made it to uni...just imagine how smart I could be if I didn't drink diet coke! :eek: :-D
- By Astarte Date 29.07.08 21:06 UTC
lol i loved that, so true! frankly i think by the time you die you should be happy to be going out- done everything here, come on! whats next?? kind of attitude :)

diet coke is a bad bad thing...actually so are all diet drinks!
- By perrodeagua [gb] Date 29.07.08 22:27 UTC
Don't you just think that with how medicine has progressed in the last 10 years even that it is more that it is being diagnosed and treated early enough.

I remember not so long ago that if you got to a certain age and died or became ill it was just "old age" now there has to be some other reason.  Not a bad thing but just shows how things change in an extremely short length of time.
- By Nova Date 30.07.08 05:48 UTC
Also perhaps as we are all living a good deal longer we have far more time to develop cancer or some other unpleasant illness - and as people get older they start to listen to the news instead of dashing out to see friends and news media is always biased towards the hysterical

As a young woman I would concentrate on enjoying your children and let them enjoy their growing up, we are all far to concerned with germs, paedophiles, traffic and rays to find time to let our children live. Think one of the worst thing that happened to our children is the development of health and safety ideals.
- By denese [gb] Date 31.07.08 13:47 UTC
I would recommend that you  check the up to date information  on "SCRAM"  I am not a professor in cancer or on the radiation levels that are safe for the human body.
I do not get my information from the media.
Firms are now payed to hide them in trees. I wish you could have seen with your own eyes, how bad the wazes are off the mobile phone masts.
The council and firms that have the masts ect: on there property have a very large income off it.
I agree Nova but! you have a point, let your children grow up and injoy them.
It is five years living in the main rays of a mast when problems start to occur, that is fact! not fiction, not hysteria.

Denese
- By Isabel Date 31.07.08 14:27 UTC
I hadn't a clue who SCRAM were so I looked them up.  There are here.
They appear to be just a lobby group and I am sure they have not accessed any evidence that the WHO have not also seen and evaluated.
Disguising masts as trees is a planning aesthetic, they are never placed secretly. You only have to look at your local planning offices weekly list to find any of them and neighbours are always notified in the same way as any other developement.  
- By Nova Date 31.07.08 17:09 UTC
So SCRAM being a lobby group will only have the information that fits with their ideals, personally I would rather hear the overall view of the scientists who have no axe to grind.

LOL. It is ludicrous to say they are now disguising them as trees, they have been doing that for years remember seeing on the TV news a long while ago, hardly a secret ploy to deceive, as you, or is it SCRAM, would have us believe. All masts I believe need planning permission so what would be the point of trying to hide them :-) except to make them less intrusive.

Frankly if you don't want to use a mobile phone then don't and don't let your children have one either, don't have a microwave oven or use any gas or electricity, don't use a car avoid detergent and soap, news print & coloured toilet paper because it has chemical dye or white because it is bleached, in fact anything that has, through the last 20years, been said by someone to cause someone no good, you may still be run over by a bus but at least you would have done your best to avoid being struck down by a modern convenience.

IMO we were all a good deal happier to live and die in ignorance, eating and doing what we enjoyed and living life to the full not spending what life we have trying to prolong the boredom by one more day, worrying about everything we eat, touch and breath, what a way to waste a life.
- By Angels2 Date 31.07.08 17:58 UTC
I think that Denese is just trying to make people aware of the dangers of mobile phones. I think each to their own in terms of how seriously we take information about safety. I am not for extremes but I would also hate to live in ignorance, as a parent anything i can do to give my children a better quality (and length) of life I will do :-)
- By Harley Date 31.07.08 18:33 UTC Edited 31.07.08 18:43 UTC
This is a difficult one for me and one where I am still undecided as to how to interpret the information of the "fors" and the "againsts"

My late husband's cancer started in his right kidney - he used to carry his mobile phone (way back when they were the size of house bricks) in a holder on his belt on the right side of his back. Could be coincidence but gives me food for thought.

A friend lives in a country road which has a huge  mast towering over the 20 or so houses in the road - it belongs to the MOD and bristled with smaller masts and dishes until a couple of years ago when the American Air Force, who were leasing it, turned up one day and removed all but a few dishes. Her husband died from leukemia, her youngest son (conceived at that house) has kidney damage and is probably going to need a transplant, her eldest son was diagnosed with bowel cancer and had a colostomy bag fitted at 17 years of age. At least another 10 residents in the road are currently undergoing treatment for varying types of cancer and four residents have died from cancer over the last 8-10 years. It may be coincidence but again gives me food for thought.

Apparently the site was originally a microwave radio transmitting station.
- By Lokis mum [gb] Date 31.07.08 18:35 UTC
There is only one thing certain in this life:  we all die of something!

With the onset of the NHS, three generations have grown up who do not treat the death of a child or a young woman in childbirth as a matter of course - yet up until 1948, such things happened regularly in every family and every street - my mother lost two babies between my brother and myself - one age 3 months (in 1938) - from croup, one age 11 months (in 1942) - from pneumonia.   My father's mother left school at 13 to look after her sister's 4 children, including a 3-day old baby, when her sister died of puerperal fever ("childbirth fever").  That was in 1923.    I lost three or four schoolfriends to polio in the early 50s.

As more and more of us grow to ripe old ages, it stands to reason that mathematically, there will be more young women diagnosed with breast cancer at early ages - sixty years ago, they might have died from childbirth - or TB - before such cancers might be detected!

Just as bad living conditioins and poor diets contributed to the deaths of many young people all those years ago, so bad living environments and bad diets now contribute to early deaths today.

Why is it necessary to have a phone stuck to one's ear all day?   Just use it when you need to!   

Only two things in life are certain :  death and taxes!!!

Margot
- By pinklilies Date 31.07.08 19:21 UTC
denese, if you are so woried about this, are you not concerned about the electromagnetic radiation from your computer?
I understand there is as much evidence saying there is no danger as there is saying there is danger. I personally think the biggest danger with mobiles is driving using them.......
- By tooolz Date 31.07.08 21:26 UTC
As I said initially..... As far as we know, Solar radiation is a far more serious risk to our health than any other wave type we are exposed to on a daily basis.
Can't live with it - can't live without it.......
- By Spender Date 31.07.08 21:46 UTC

>"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, wine in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming "WOO HOO, what a ride!"


Excellent, I love it.  :-D

I wonder has anyone given any thought to the negative stress induced by all that 'science' says are bad for us (they'll change their minds in 30 years time) and how many illnesses that is causing??  Sometimes ignorance is bliss.
- By Isabel Date 31.07.08 21:53 UTC

> I wonder has anyone given any thought to the negative stress induced by all that 'science' says are bad for us


Quite, although I am glad you put science in quotes as it is generally psuedo science that puts this stuff out.  I was interested to note that one item on the agenda of some seminar the SCRAM people were reporting on was titled 'Stress Induced Adverse health effects'.  Just worrying about these things may actually cause people to become ill, confirming their fears! 
- By denese [gb] Date 01.08.08 21:25 UTC
Pinklilles,
I can switch my computer off! There is no comparison with the radiation from a computer to a phone mast.
"scram" is run by people that have been affected by the cancers ect caused by the very high radiation levels.
They are concerned about others people and children that have developed cancer in this way. Run voluntary!
It is the lack of knowledge of a lot of people that  helps these people keep on putting these phone masts in built up areas. As I have said if it was shown in black smoke people would understand how serious it was.
Don't carry your mobile close to your body when not in used. Don't lay it next to a baby or child, use it on loud speaker when you can. I can only give you the facts. What you do with them is your chose.
But! please do take care don't wait until it is two late. We had to two very high qualified proffessors call out with all the information and testing equipment. We were very shocked at how bad the rays were.
Its the constant pulsing of the waves in the main beam that penetrates the scull and stops the body making the chemical melotoin that helps fight cancer, it breaks down the immune system. That is fact. The people that say that all this is rubbish is usally the people on large financial gain from the masts. It brings in a very large income. People like ourselves are of no great loss to them. It is also a post code lottery if you will get treated for a cancer, if you develop it.
Pre warned is pre armed!!

Denese
- By Isabel Date 01.08.08 21:45 UTC

> "scram" is run by people that have been affected by the cancers ect caused by the very high radiation levels.


> They are concerned about others people and children that have developed cancer in this way. Run voluntary!


They may feel that is the cause of their illnesses but that really doesn't in any way make them more understanding of the science, certainly no better than those responsible for reviewing the evidence for bodies such as the HSE or the WHO.  Sadly people have always got cancer and probably always will.
I know you mean well but I don't think it is at all justified to scare people when there is no real evidence to support what you are saying. 
There has been evidence to support the view that young children should not use mobile phones or that people should not use them for extended periods without using a ear piece and nothing has been attempted in hiding this from people indeed that has been official advise issued over this in the past and I can remember phone companies being criticised when they have marketed phones towards very young children but you cannot translate that evidence across to masts generally or carrying mobile phones which when not in use only transmit a very short burst of signal hourly.  The advise regarding children and extended use may not even apply anymore now the emissions have been reduced on the later models although I do not know.
If it was just left to the people with commercial interests I would share your concerns but it is not.  There are many independent agencies, government, charitable and independent that review these matters.  The scientific community is made of people like you and me that have family and loved ones also living in this world and therefore have a vesting interest in the truth coming out.  When the evidence is there it will be seen.  Even incredibly wealthy and influentual industries have failed to ever stop this take for example the leaded petrol industry and tobacco.

>We had to two very high qualified proffessors call out with all the information and testing equipment.


Did they charge you for this service or offer to sell you anything preventative?
- By pinklilies Date 01.08.08 22:38 UTC
I am quite interested in how you have turned this thread to "we have two professors" and "we were shocked" etc. Are you claiming to be involved in this research personally? It appears that you are a member of a group that supports this view.
It may well be your opinion and you are clearly motivated, but I have not been shown convincing evidence that it is fact, even though you claim it is. I do wish you woudlnt state that this is a fact...it is not. It may well have been researched, but it has not been proven as a fact. just because you personally choose to believe it does not mean it is true.

People will make up their own minds on this issue, and would possibly prefer to get our information from more reliable sources than yourself. What is certain is that many more things cause cancer than mobile phone rays, and people dont give those up either. I am interested to ask you if you smoke?
- By Jeangenie [gb] Date 01.08.08 22:41 UTC

>"scram" is run by people that have been affected by the cancers ect caused by the very high radiation levels.


So they're biased.

>Don't carry your mobile close to your body when not in used.


There's no point in having one if you're not carrying it. That's what phoneboxes are for.

>Don't lay it next to a baby or child


Well dur! Who are they going to be phoning?

>We had to two very high qualified proffessors


Who is "we"?
- By Jeangenie [gb] Date 01.08.08 22:48 UTC

>stops the body making the chemical melotoin


What is 'melotoin'? Googling hints that it's a tradename for a particular manufactured drug (or a common typo). Do you mean melatonin?
- By denese [gb] Date 03.08.08 06:56 UTC
No, Isabel no charge was made only to help if they could. Some double glazing does reduce the rays. They had all the necessary equipmrnt need to see were the rays were the worsed in the home they were very bad in the babies cot so that had to be moved and insulation paint painted on the inside walls. The pillows on the childrens beds (top of there beds) were bad so the beds have been moved on to another wall. They sold us nothing. or tryed two.
One of the professors has now retired and has been gathering his evidence for years. A very caring Gentleman who had nothink to gain either way, They have not reduced the rays they have boosted the masts three months after erecting and added another two. Beleve you Isabel I do not take not of these thing lightly, I have to have a lot of proff to convince me. The council have erected these masts on the side of a low rise block of flats. Why not the top god only nows. The direct rays then would have not directly entered the houses. Alot of counciloors are trying to fight were these masts are placed but always get over rules because of the income.
You know like I do, they do not care about us as people, they are not by there private schools or the half a million homes. It is frightening and worrying. I have four grandchildren living in these rays.
A lot of people are falling ill in the flats. but! they do not realise why. They masts are on the outside walls of there bedrooms. Isabel this is disgracefull, They are some ones loved ones who no nothing about the radiation levels.

Denese
- By denese [gb] Date 03.08.08 07:04 UTC
Yes! Jeangenie you are right, I get a little annoyed when talking about this, as I have to breath deep and try to explain in just a few words, There is a few extra letters in my words  to Isabel. But I am usally rushing. I am going to feed my puppies now, all have a good day. Its because I do care what happens to people. What do I gain from warning anybody. I hope just to make them aware.

Denese
- By CherylS Date 03.08.08 08:39 UTC
I actually believe there could be a link between mobile phones and some cancers and it's only a matter of time before scientists establish a clear cause and effect.  I also believe there is a link between cancer and pylons some foods, smoking, obesity, alcohol, sweetner (aspartame)  and HRT.  We live in a society where cancer is caused by a whole host of factors and the problem is isolating any one cause and attributing it to the cancer someone has.  Science is fabulous but we have to be careful about what we read from non-scientific organisations regardless of whether scientific professors are involved or not.  Remember the doctor who falsified his 'evidence' to cause the MMR scare?

denese I appreciate your concern.  Something to remember though is that not every established cancer causing agent will actually cause cancer in every person so looking forward to the time when doctors can establish the individuals who are most at risk.
- By Isabel Date 03.08.08 09:23 UTC

> You know like I do, they do not care about us as people, they are not by there private schools or the half a million homes.


No, I don't know that Denese.  Wherever I have lived councillors are people from the local community.  Anyone offering themselves from further away are rarely voted in.  Even if they were I would have no reason to suppose that they were so uncaring as to ignore evidence that people could be at risk.  What possible reason could the HSE or the WHO have to deceive us?
- By Angels2 Date 03.08.08 09:32 UTC
I really do think that Denese is being given quite a hard time when she is merely trying to warn other people of the dangers she has been made aware of.

I appreciate that there is a lot of scaremongering that goes on now days but on the other hand wouldn't it be really sad if everyone was too afraid to speak up and share their knowledge for fear of being "shot" down (so to speak) and accused of not having all the facts. When these things are in the early stages they aren't always proven.......only time will tell
- By Isabel Date 03.08.08 09:44 UTC

> When these things are in the early stages they aren't always proven.......only time will tell


Yes, they will and this is why we should leave it to those who have a clear understanding of the evidence and the necessary skills to evaluate it.  Bearing in mind there already has been a great deal of research in this area and no attempt at concealment has been made when evidence has been found such as mobile phone (not mast emmisions) and young children or prolonged use. 
Denese, I am sure, means well but this sort of scaremongering can be very harmfull both in the short term in making people who have suffered cancer feel guilty regarding something or other they may have done and in the long term by changing the course of sensible choices we might make such as the MMR debacle.
- By Angels2 Date 03.08.08 16:17 UTC

> Denese, I am sure, means well but this sort of scaremongering can be very harmfull both in the short term in making people who have suffered cancer feel guilty regarding something or other they may have done and in the long term by changing the course of sensible choices we might make such as the MMR debacle.


I completely understand where you are coming from but I really don't think Denese did this post with the intention of scaremongering people or trying to make people who have had cancer feel guilty about the choices they have made. Perhaps in years to come Denese will be proved wrong or perhaps not

There are lots of websites that warn you about "cancer causing" things such as parabens in toiletries etc, it is up to us as individuals to decide whether we are going to let this information affect our choices or not. I hope for our childrens sakes that Denese is proved wrong (no offence intended Denese)

:-)
- By denese [gb] Date 04.08.08 18:09 UTC
Angel2

No offence taken, I hope to god, that I am proven wrong, as my grandchildrens lives are at risk. My daughter is so worried, she is a very intellegent girl. So she has been doing a lot of home work, one of  the local coucilors did his best, to support her  videoing the normal waves from your sky, telephones, internet ect: then he came back to video it after the masts had become actived and it did frighten him he took it forward to get them moved, but was over ruled by his superior in parliment. He was offered to come ond see all the evidence with his own eyes and make his own conclusions over it. BUT! he refuse also the local councilor, he videoed it when the special paint was painted on the outside walls of the house and the loaft boarded with the plaster board with the metal backing.It reduced it by half,  then again after they had re boost the mast  after 3 months He was so shocked, he has suported all he can, but! higher up have just dismissed it.  wouldnot even discuss it. Also wasn't intrested in any evidence.
In July 2008 two men have died with cancer they live in the main beam one 42 his wife the end off last year never thought anythink unusual about it untill her husband died.
A 23year old male has and left a wife and two young children. Should we be concerned or berry our heads in the sand.

Denese  
- By Isabel Date 04.08.08 18:54 UTC
Denese I don't know why anyone would be shocked to learn that these mast emit signals, our phones would not work if they didn't or be amazed to learn that they can be blocked by certain materials, again anyone who uses a phone will have experienced this.  The question is whether these signals cause any harm to the human body and nobody has put their heads in the sand over that either.  There has been a great deal of research conducted.
- By Jeangenie [gb] Date 04.08.08 19:22 UTC
Denese, you left out the signals from all the satellites that enable our Satnavs to work, and of course all the TV signals (that reach our aerials) that penetrate our houses (we have a fully fundtioning TV aerial in the loft, so I know the waves have no trouble entering the building!).
- By denese [gb] Date 05.08.08 08:04 UTC
Jeangenie,
No! we had the waves of these videoed, before the masts were erected, The machine they use collects the waves and puts them into sound. So for the lay person you can hear the diffrence. By my cable box there was nothink, But cable is run under ground. By my house hand held phones it made a clicking noise, by my daughter sky box it made a screaming noise.  By the rays of the mobile phone massed it made very aloud sieren noise so loud you had to put your hands over your ears. Went off the monitor. That is why we got the proffesors in with there equipment that gives it in noise ond digi numbers of very dangerous levels higher than the human body should be constantly exposed  to. Far more sensitive equipment. Jeangenie, there is no comparison to television arials, micro waves. xrays can be dangerous if you have to have a full body one but! are very necessary to find out health complaints. But! hospitals and Doctors will not allow them unless really necessary. The nurses all stand behind safty barriars. they would not live long if they didn't. These are on the same level of masts. I could put all the technical terms, but they are difficult to understand if your have not reseached it. I have only reseached it, very selfishly, because my daughter and grandchildren are living within these rays. Ignorance can be bliss. Until somthink happens, then it is to late.
Remember jeangenie the average person sleeps 8 hours this is like being under a xray machine for 8 hours. Babies and children are at higher risk as there bodies and brains are developing, we owe it to them to try and do what we can to protect them, don't we?

Denese
- By denese [gb] Date 05.08.08 08:26 UTC
Hi Isabel,

Yes! they do do harm to the human body, that is fact. Isabel, do you remember people that worked at the nuclear plant? they were told there was no proff that that caused cancer.
Armed forces that did radiation trials, they got cancers, deformed babies. I could go on and on. We and them were told and convinced that they may have got cancer any way.
As I have said before sometimes they undermind our intelegence.
Very selfishly unless it effects our loved ones we do not take any notice.
You no, that money comes before health in many instances.
Certain members of parliment, really don't care about the likes of ordinary people. They don't know what it like to live in certain areas, go to certain schools. These things do not happen in there world.They would not last 5 mins on a council estate in the inner city areas.
Less people to claim pensions. Loads of income for councils to put these masts on council estates, by state schools, they even do it by ordinary morgages homes,as they own the street lights.ect, could go on and on.
Have not seen or heard of any, once you live in a half million pound home though.
Some on factories, banks post offices.

Denese
- By Isabel Date 05.08.08 09:30 UTC

> Yes! they do do harm to the human body, that is fact.


No, it's not fact, Denese, it's you opinion. 

> Isabel, do you remember people that worked at the nuclear plant?


What am I to remember?  My husband works in a nuclear power station and I know what they protect him against and what they don't regard as a risk to him.  You can't keep comparing radio waves, microwaves and radiation.  They are not the same.

The council do not get income from these masts unless they happen to own the land they are placed on they merely give planning permission.  Our nearest one is on a farmers field and the lane stretching up to it has those million pound homes that you think are dodging out.
I really don't think you can pin your views on corruption as there has been plenty of independent evidence produced by bodies such as the WHO.  I keep saying that don't I :-)
- By Jeangenie [gb] Date 05.08.08 09:35 UTC

>No! we had the waves of these videoed, before the masts were erected, The machine they use collects the waves and puts them into sound.


Who was it who came and measured this? What was the name of the organisation?

>very dangerous levels higher than the human body should be constantly exposed  to


What are the 'safe' levels, and how were they determined, and by whom?

>I could put all the technical terms, but they are difficult to understand if your have not reseached it.


I wish you would - it'd be easier to find out more. :-)

>Remember jeangenie the average person sleeps 8 hours this is like being under a xray machine for 8 hours.


:confused: Sorry, you've totally lost me there.
- By Angels2 Date 05.08.08 11:04 UTC
Perhaps the poster and the people replying should agree to dissagree?

I don't think anyone is really naive enough not to realise that mobile phones aren't good for our health (hence why they say usage for children should be limited) so it stands to reason that living next to a whopping mast sending out waves would be even worse than a mobile phone. I for one would not buy a house next to one (although I appreciate that you cannot control where they are built in future) and i'm sure i'm not alone in that.

:-)
- By Isabel Date 05.08.08 11:16 UTC
I don't think it is people being naive when you don't simply extrapolate up from any known issues to much greater ones without the benefit of any evidence.

> I for one would not buy a house next to one


That's the real danger people living next to them are in.
- By Angels2 Date 05.08.08 11:49 UTC
To believe something you don't need proof and Denese believes there is a danger....is she wrong to believe that? Of course not, that is her belief

I have made a point of getting my husband to ask people at his work whether they feel that living next to a mast would be detrimental to their health and so far of all the people he has asked not one person has said no.

Of course until it is proved then it is just speculation but this does not mean it is not truth

:-)
- By Isabel Date 05.08.08 11:59 UTC

> Of course until it is proved then it is just speculation but this does not mean it is not truth
>


No, nor does it mean it is truth.  It is very hard to prove a negative but there has been a great deal of research in this area and nothing detrimental of the kind that Denese refers to has been found to convince the independent agencies.
Speculation is also harmful, particularly when it is way over the top such as comparing radio waves with xrays!   I'm afraid she is definated wrong to believe that.
No wonder your husband's colleagues feel as they do.
- By tooolz Date 05.08.08 12:08 UTC Edited 05.08.08 12:17 UTC

> I have made a point of getting my husband to ask people at his work whether they feel that living next to a mast would be detrimental to their health and so far of all the people he has asked not one person has said no.
>


Angels2:
   Rupert Murdoch has a lot to answer for!!

Denise: I could put all the technical terms, but they are difficult to understand if your have not reseached it.

Perhaps it would be better to accept the fact you may be talking to people who know more about the physical properties of Electromagnetic waves than you do, maybe not with such a vested interest as yourself, more of a broad scientific knowledge.
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