Just had one of my puppies go to its new home, 8 weeks yesterday, he was taken to the vets today for his first jab and the new owners were told take him back in 2 weeks for second jab, then 2 weeks after that he can go out.  In the meantime, dont let him on your grass, only patio and in the house, wash patio down with powerful disinfectant every night and everymorning, dont take him to friends who have fully vacinated dogs, and the list goes on,  this puppy will be coming out of his socialization period when he is finally allowed out and into his scardy cat stage without seeing anything, except for what he did with us, which fortunately was a lot.  Question do you tell the new owners the vet is talking a load of xxxxxxxxx and that puppy will be ok if they use lots of common sense etc about where and what they do with him, or do you keep stum and end up with a puppy that has loads of issues, because of lack of socialization.

You've got to tell the puppy owners that you disagree with the vet, give them your advice on what you o with your pups and what you believe they should be doing.

Hopefully as a breeder they will listen to you over the vet and let them know that if they ever want help in training or socilising you will be happy to help?

Also a thought...have you kept a puppy?  If so why not write puppy letters to other people about what your puppies upto explaining the exploring of grass and bushes etc so they relise your doing it?

It does sound like he is going a little over the top but perhaps there has been an outbreak in the area.

> and end up with a puppy that has loads of issues, because of lack of socialization.

Perhaps you are equally guilty of going over the top :-)  Many, many puppies do not get to meet other dogs etc until their course is complete and have no socialisation issues, it all just seems a lot of extra hard work for the owner to me.

Sorry should have mentioned I have not kept stum. 

I got Wukee on Jan 1st & on Jan 2nd he went to our dog club(in a pet carrier)he didn't go on the ground & was cuddled by club members all night. I really cannot understand vets advising people that their puppies can't go out on their own properties(as long as they are secure obviously)It's certainly not the advice given out by my Vets

MM, we do the same ourselves with puppies and have many experianced breeders/show people who do this too and will bring up sometimes 3 8 week old puppies if not all sold or gone to new homes yet.  One person is buying in a puppy this week and next week will be bringing him to classes next week!

I always say to people that they have to weigh up the risks. I tell them that I always carry my pups out, that way they experience more as they stay awake longer and are in the security of my arms, and I also have the control over who pets them. at the end of the day we have pople come into the house who could have carried parvo inon the soles of their shoes.  I would never keep a pup isolated till after the jabs. Anyway look at the risks in taking them into the vets!!

I always say to people that they have to weigh up the risks. I tell them that I always carry my pups out, that way they experience more as they stay awake longer and are in the security of my arms, and I also have the control over who pets them. at the end of the day we have pople come into the house who could have carried parvo inon the soles of their shoes.  I would never keep a pup isolated till after the jabs. Anyway look at the risks in taking them into the vets!!

Exactly tadog!  At the moment we have 5 dogs with the possibility of either breeding a litter next year or buying one in, with way we will have a puppy or more with 5 dogs who will still need their exercise on road and over fields, still go to dog training, and all 5 of us humans will be walking, training, (going to work in an office with AC and people who have dogs????)

Do you wrap a puppy in a bubble and leave it in a quite room till it's had it's injections??? (Yes I'm being sarcastic and taking the extream! :-D )

I took pup out before the first injection was given, it's amazing how much socialisation can be done sitting on a bench outside supermarkets, in the weekly market, etc.   Yes, I worry about pup catching parvo, but since one of my dogs actually caught parvo at a vet's waiting room (parvo pup puked on him and then died 2 minutes later, this was admitted reluctantly by the vet ) I feel it's not that risky ;)

I also have other dogs, and then there's the family coming and going so there's as much or more 'outside' being brought into the house as a pup will meet when being carried outside :)

We don't keep our human babies away from all outside contact until they're fully vaccinated and I've never heard of a baby getting diphtheria before vaccination so it must safe :)

I took mine out after their 1st jabs, not to the park where who knows what might around, but to dog club where all dogs have to be vaccinated before they can go, and we didn't walk round very much, mostly he just sat and watched things going on.