I have a labradoodle bitch with which I am eager to breed, should she be bread with another labradoodle or a standard poodle. I would be grateful to hear any comments. I am also looking for a breeder in or around the South Yorkshire area

why do you want to breed from her??

As I'm not in a very good mood I'll steer clear of this post tonight. My feelings are well known on the board.

That isn't like you John, hope you feel more like yourself tomorrow
Anne

Think it must be doing the rounds John, I've decided it may be better not to reply. In fact I find it myself thinking twice about answering a lot these days.

Hi guest

If you look in the upper right hand corner of this page you'll see a search option. If you put in "labradoodle" you'll pull up some information that you might find helpful.

As for breeding......it isn't something to go into lightly with any breed. Again, if you look in the search engine, you'll find the subject well covered.

Leigh, can you help me with a breeding link? :)

Breeding

Me too Jackie :-( :-(

Hi Guest
Labradoodles are not a REAL breed.
Breeding is something that should not be taken lightly and should involve a lot of research and knowledge.
If you do go ahead and mate her IMHO it won't matter if you choose a Lab or a Poodle or a Labradoodle sire as it will be v.unlikely that the resulting pup's will be what you are expecting, genetics is a very complex subject of which I know only a little (and that's regarding pure bred dogs where you are fairly certain what the pup's will be like!).
My honest advice........ Don't do it!
Nicky

What does IMHO mean. Is a labradoodle across between poodle and lab if so isn't that a mongrul. Hope noone takes offense

In My Humble Opinion ;)
Liz

Thanks Liz
is a labradoodle a mongrul then never heard of onr before if it is why are people trying to breed more mongrels shouldn't we be trying to breed these out. Don't get me wrong they are lovely but surely people should not encourage this IMHO (GETTING TO GRIPS WITH THE LINGO) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)

Hiedi
IMHO means *In my humble opinion*, as Liz said. :)
A Labradoodle is not technically a Mongrel, it is a crossbreed. It is a cross between a Labrador & a Poodle (Standard Poodle I imagine), I'm not sure if there is a specific way that the cross is made i.e. Lab Dam/Poodle Sire, Poodle Dam/Lab Sire, or whether either combination works equally as well.
And I agree with what you are saying that people should not be trying to breed Mongrels/Crossbreeds as there are already plenty of them in shelters all across the country, which is why I said in my original reply that my honest advice is, don't do it.
Nicky

I believe Labradoodles were originally bred for use as guidedgos-hoping that they would have the benefits of the Labradors but would not shed their coat.Obviously it didn't work since the labradoodle 'experiment' stopped.They are not a breed but I would refer to them as first crosses rather than mongrels.However once you cross a cross bred with another cross bred you produce mongrels-and thats just IMHO.I agree with other posters on the breeding of mongrels/cross breds -what do the hope to achieve.Surely everyone can find a breed of dog suitable for their circumstances amongst the hundreds of breeds available.If you want a mongrel go to a rehoming centre and give a home to one of their poor animals!
Archer.

Nicky
Thanks for explaining that to me. I can't understand why I have never heard of them before let alon seen one I bet they are a odd combination.Totaly agree with the above posters there are so many mongrels in shelters people should NOT be breeding any more. I just don't see the point in overcrowding the market of unwanted dogs. I strongly advise this person not to breed her 'Labradoode' every time I type that word it brings a smile to my face it sounds so funny Im just trying to imajion what one would look like. Do they all look the same? or do they differ depending on the sire or dam eg; labs head poodle body, and other sibling may have poodle head lab body (really can not imajon this I am trying my best) what they gonna come up with next a sibeadoodle :) :) :) :) :) :) :) ROTFLMAO :) Dont mean to offend any one but that has really tickled me

They do not breed to type and can look like either of the two breeds or any point in between. Some moult others don't so there is no guarantee what you will get.

Another point to remember is that they will carry the hereditary faults from both breeds! As a first cross only common faults will occur because (In recessive gene faults anyway) the gene needs to be carried by both sire and dam. The problem then happens that a Labradoodle mated to another Labradoodle will be susceptible to both hereditary ailments! The only way out of this is to mate to a totally different breed of dog but then you will not have a crossbreed Labradoodle but a plain and simple mongrel!

This is why I am and always have been very anti Labradoodles. To create a breed, as I have said before is fraught with problems and not something to be lightly undertaken.

John

Putting aside the fact that you may make easy money by breeding fancy named crosses, I do wish some one would tell me why they do it. Have just read the Bull-Boxer thread and it would appear that according to the person posting this wonderfull 'new breed' is the answer to all canine problems. It is so hard to swallow, but why are people so gullible, I'm sure they mean well but even a little study would show them that what they are attempting was not possible, except after years of carefull study and experiment. Ja:)kie

Jackie H,
I've been reading it too and at the risk of opening another can of worms :( Surely, any crossbreed that's not KC (or AKC) recognised is a mongrel!!! There, I've tried to keep out of it but I've finally said what I think.

I know every dog started as some sort of crossbreed but humans have created enough problems in dogs. Should we not try to correct the problems we've already created and don't we have enough unwanted dogs already?

Sorry, just MHO.
Dot

What worries me Dot are people talking as if the cross is the answer to all dog owners problems. It's fine that they are happy with their dog but as we know people are easy to fool and it is just not that easy to produce the perfect breed. Also I can't belive that there are not enough breeds to suit all requirements and if you can't find one to suit perhaps a dog is not for you anyway. The rescue kennels are full of peoples mistakes and experiments and to me to encourage the breeding of more is to put it mildly, plain stupid. Cross breeding is not the answer to health, occaisional out breeding may help, but cross breeding solves nothing and just produces new trouble. Jackie

Jackie
I agree on every thing you have said. And I would love to know whether guest is still going to continue her ideas on breeding the labradoodle. I am still trying to imajon what one would look like. I know this is seen a s cross breeding. But in my views breeding 2 different breeds of dogs together= Mongrels. Is there any other sort of breeds like this?

Hi all, In mho it is more important that ANY type of dog is bred with care, love and great consideration to where they go. Swamping the market with badly bred, ill reared pedigrees is just as bad as swamping it with the same badly bred and reared mongrels, or crossbreeds. I am sure there are many people in this country who just want a healthy family pet, and even if they wanted too could not afford to buy an expensive pedigree pup.
DOGS...there are sites on Labradoodles, and those that I have seen look a very atttractive dog, and while I have your attention,"is there any other sort of breeds like this" a huge amount of our now "PURE BRED" pedigrees, were long ago nearly extinct and different breeds were added over a period of time to increase numbers, so if you want to be really technically correct, a lot of our pure breeds are not "pure" at all, and how about the Lurcher? Type, breed, crossbreed or mongrel?

This is true Philippa but most of these old breeds were bred by people who knew what they were doing and were bred for good reasons. These days it seems that crossbreeds which people find names for like Labradoodle just appear to be bred to be sold at inflated prices!

Hi Phil do you think its a good thing then to put poodles with labs??? hence labradoodle.
Myself Im sick and tired of exploitation oF dogs ie: designer dogs.
Labradors are in my opinion the most exploited breed there is with 34.000+ registered every year with KC and thats only the registered ones .so forgive me saying I do not encourage lab crossing.
ok accidental lab crosses Im happy to help rehome but designer dogs worry me.
Lets use this site to promote careful breeding and that is not to say Im anti any other kind of dog Im not at all.

I also can't help thinking that the Lurcher is only "enjoying" it's present popularity because of Heartbeat and wonder what will happen to quite a few of these when the novelty wears off?

Well I've got a first cross dog and to my mind he is a mongrel, no other word for it.
On the subject of rescue, why do people think it is mostly mongrels that end up in rescue? Yes the majority of dogs you see in rescue centres are mongrels but think of all the breed rescues around the country that rehome dogs & that adds up to an awful lot of pedigrees and don't forget that many of the centres pass on the pedigrees to the breed rescues too.
Just perhaps if it was made a legal requirement for owners of both the bitch and dog to be responsible for any puppies bred by them for the dogs life people would think before they add to the problem. Ingrid

Hi John, I truly dont think the Lurcher on the whole is any more popular/unpopular than it has ever been. I think people either "luv em, or hate em" Some Lurchers make wondeful pets, and some of the crosses do not. It is not generally the ordinary public that kick these lovely dogs out, and fill the resue centres and Lurcher rescues with them. It is people who think they are capable of working them , and then give up, who then finish with a half trained, half hunter on their hands and then dont know how to handle it, so out it goes. Also the multiple Lurcher breeders, who say whatever cross you are looking for, that the most recent litter they have is that cross exactly. Then when the owner finds out it was not what they wanted at all, out it goes again. I have four Lurchers, two bought intentionally, and two rescues, and all of them are truly nice loving dogs. Sharon and I are doing a lot of work/research on Lurchers at the moment, and intend ( as best we can) to keep some sort of proper register for those who want to keep track of their adults/ pups.

Well, There may or may not be more Lurchers around that in the past but as far as my local rescue centre is concerned there appears to be an awful lot in the last few years. When it comes to Labrador crosses there most certainly is far more around. Just adout every rescue center in the country has it's fair share. There was always the accidental matings and these I'm not talking about at this time. It's the deliberate crossing of the breed I love that makes me sick to death. When I see as you can, advertised on the internet, Labrador crosses advertised at more than the price of a very good pedigree Labrador then the only thing I see is exploitation.

John

Oooooooo no Mattie,, I obviously didnt make myself very clear!!! Sorry, I certainly didnt mean it was a good idea at all. I just think that ANY dog should be reared as well as possible no matter what it is, and that an awful lot of people would be without a much loved pet if crossbreeding or just mutts were wiped out all together. I hope I didnt offend you, I obviously didnt explain it very well :(

Phillipa im not in this thread at all :D says she scratching her head at phillipa and walking away very puzzled indeed :D. Mari

Hi mari, Put it down to the fact that Im getting older, and that I cant read properly!!!! ;D
My reply was supposed to be for MATTIE.(Philippa retreats muttering something about" I must get more sleep")

It is probable my faulty memory but seem to remember that in my youth nearly every cross breed was fathered by the local farm collies. And if you went to the local rescue during the 50's & 60's most of the crossbreeds were collie crosses often with GSD'S, Lab or bull breed crosses were almost unheard of. I also think that at the time most cross breeding was more by accident than design, dogs being allowed to run loose. In Linconshire there has been a big effort to stop hare coursing so I would not be at all suprised to hear that there is an increase in the number of lurchers in rescue, at least around here. Tell you what though the roads are covered in dead hares. Jackie

My first visit to Battersea Dogs home , some 10 years ago was an eye opener...I had never heard of a Lurcher ..but the place had loads of them. On my second and subsequent visits it was the same. Lurchers and GSD crosses seemed to be the predominant dogs in the place.

I rarely see a Lurcher here in Lincs ...but we see plenty of evidence of hare coursing still :(

Melody

Please can we keep this thread on topic: 'Labradoodle'. Thank you :-)

Leigh we are talking of crossbreeds. ie Labradoodles. What is the topic which is upsetting you and I will avoid it. Jackie

Hi Jackie, I don't want this thread to go off on the rights and wrongs of Hare Coursing :-) Cross breeding is fine, that is still 'on topic'.

Did not realise that I had gone into the rights or wrongs of coursing, just saying why I thought that there were more lurchers in rescue. Lurchers being a deliberate crossbreed. Jackie

You didn't Jackie :-)

About 4 or 5 years ago when traveling across the county in the early morning you would see groups of Lurchers & or Whippets being let out or reloaded in to vans, I've not seen it, well not much, in the last couple of years. Jackie

People seem to use Labradors as half of the cross because of their reputation of being a lovely big cuddly teddy bear as depicted in the Andrex advert. So let’s tell the truth for a change.

The Labrador is a born jumper which can clear a four foot fence with one paw tied behind its back!

The Labrador is a born digger who has a wish to visit its cousins in Australia and can sink a bore hole 3 feet deep in the hardest ground in ten minutes!

The Labrador is strong enough and determined enough to make its own mind up on which direction its walk takes without consulting you!

Left on it's own for an hour or two whilst you are at work earning enough to pay it's food bill it can easily recycle your furniture into matchwood!

That’s the reason why there are so many in rescue and these traits can all be passed on to the crosses. Properly trained there is no finer dog but unfortunately so few people appear to have either the brain or inclination to bother. I spent all day yesterday out in the field working my dog and a wonderful day we had but if you are looking for a "Couch Potato", A Labrador or Labrador cross is not for you.

John

I have a lady that comes to me to have her labradoodle groomed and she decided to breed hers with a poodle ( for extra cash ) i now have her bringing 6 of them to me as she could not sell them.
they are all completly diffrent , ie colours, coat texture, temprements , head shape. body shape the list is endless!
My advice is don't do it.
it takes years of experianced breeders to create a breed none of them were made over night more like 70 , 80 years or more!!
just love what you have and be happy:)

Sam

If people want a Retriever with Curly hair, why not do some study and get the real thing.

I beleive that Curly Coated Retrievers could do with more support. then if you want a smaller breed there is the Irish Water spaniel, Spanish Water dog, and the one that looks like a poodle ESS cross, and I can't remeber the name.

There are in fact several breeds that would fit into what the Labradoodle would look like, but are already established breeds, withich breed true, and their faults and virtues, re health etc are known.

Well said Brainless :D.
Nicky