hi my boy has all the relivant tests needed to breed,someone has approached me asking to use him,i have no ides what kind of fee to charge ,not really bothered as long as the bitch has had all the relivant test too,but just curious as i dont want any more dogs myself at the moment.........

Kathy,

I don't know what breed you have but if your dog has done well in work, show or obedience you shuld go for the breed average, your breed club should be able to point you in the rught direction as a starting point.

In most breeds a dog with good results in health and are proven in working or in the show ring ask about the cost of one puppy but special arrangements can be made. Un proven dogs may get something less until their progeny are shown to be of good quality

thanks Floradora, the man wants to bring his female this week so i havent got a lot of time,this has totally come out of the blue for me,i just want to get everything right

> this has totally come out of the blue for me,i just want to get everything right

Do you have any experience handling a mating?  If you are new to breeding, it would be wise to get an experienced person to help with the actual mating and be there for support.  A stud fee covers the whole service provided, which really includes your knowledge and support as the majority will look to the stud owner for advice - something difficult to do if you are a novice yourself.  To be honest, I would be very hesitant of anyone who contacted a stud owner wanting a mating the same week.  Has your boy done well in the ring or field?  just wondered how the bitches owner had heard of your boy?

I BOUGHT A BITCH 2 YEARS AGO,THEN I BOUGHT A BOY,THE SISTER OF MY BITCH IS OWNED BY MY POSTMAN.......THATS HOW HE KNEW OF MY BOY,I HAVE SUCCESFULLY MATED MY DOGS AND EXPECTING PUPPIES MYSELF AT THE END OF THE MONTH.....I HAVE READ INTO ALL AREAS BEFORE I WENT INTO THIS AND FEEL CONFIDENT,BUT JUST NOT SURE ABOUT WHAT KINDA PRICE PPL CHARGE AS A STUD FEE AS ONLY USED MY DOG MYSELF......HE HAS AN EXCELLENT PEDIGREE AND DONE WELL IN THE RING,BUT NEVER USED HIM AS A STUD FOR SOMEONE ELSE BEFORE...........
thanks for all the advice every1............

No need to shout ;)  If this is your first litter then, that's not really what I would call experience, but obviously you feel differently.

As he is not proven it is normal to charge a nominal fee for your time.  Once he is proven, then it will depend on the breed.  I would suggest you ring your breed's breed club and ask for advice on what is an average stud fee charge.

thanks jen...........think i will give them a call tomorrow...yes my first litter and,had a scan done 2 weeks ago,,,,all looks well and my baby is doing fine bless her!!!!!
thats true jen im not experienced at all but wanting to be so much and ive always been taught the only way to get experience is to gain it,,,,but if the other bitch hasnt had all the relivant tests,its not even going to go that far as i just wouldnt let it

I was really referring to experience handling stud dogs and back up.  If you are lucky, all will go smoothly and you will have no problems, but more often than not, things are not straightforward, and this is where experience in handling is crucial or severe injury to either bitch and/or dog can result.

Just my point of view but I would be far too worried to take a bitch of mine to an inexperienced stud handler - in fact, I don't think I'd do it.

i'd be a tad concerned about the timing as well... does she meet the requirements you ahve for pups that will be your responsibility?

> ive always been taught the only way to get experience is to gain it

Yes, but in the case of handling stud dogs, I would look at assisting an experienced handler with a number of different matings before even attempting to do it by yourself.  That is how to get experience without risking someone else's bitch or your own dog.

Your breed club secretary should be able to advise what is customary in your breed. 

In my own and many breeds it is the price of a puppy. 

If the dog has not sired a litter before then it is usual for the fee to be paid after a litter arrives. 

The dog is proven as he has sired a litter for the OP.

Depends on the breed.  Pomeranian's are really cheap compared to other breeds.  Around £100 to £200.  Paid £150 for a champion not so long ago!

The Spanish though are a different matter, £800 - £1,000.00.  Which I think is really expensive in some ways when I think of the other breeds we've had in the past, but having those wonderful pups is well worth it in the end.

> The Spanish though are a different matter, £800 - £1,000.00.

Is that more than the price of a puppy?

Don't know how common it is but I've heard of some who charge, say £100 for the initial mating, then the same for each live pup, so the larger the litter the more you pay.

That is very common practise abroad.

The dog I used in Finland his stud fee was usually EUR100 for the mating and then EUR100 per puppy.  I agreed to pay the stud fee payable in UK which was at the time £550 which they were happy with as of course there might have been no litter at all with the travelling and timing etc.

In my breed some people charge a £50 non refundable stud deposit if the fee isn't being paid up front, as it has become common in our numerically small breed where everyone knows everyone to wait for the stud fee until pups are born.  That covers the stud dog owners trouble and possible expenses (boardign the bitch, taking time off work, hosptality for the bitch owner etc).

Actually I wished we would do it here with all breeds, a smallish fee plus price per pup . With an average of 3 in my litter as an over all price it would be similar to what we pay in my breed.

On the plus side of doing it ,  currently our system is tough luck when you pay it all up front and when the bitch misses etc for whatever reason. It sometimes isn't possible to go back, or something changed with the dog or bitch etc. So a free return often isn't always the best way.    I have a return stud with 2 people, one I am 99% sure I am not likely to take up now and the 2nd the dog is too old now hence my bitch missed ( 1100 mile round trip to).  

Why can't dog stud fees be like many horses, no foal no fee, with a small payment for the stud groom at mating, which would be the deposit brainless quoted? Anyone with a stud dog care to comment? Or anyone else who knows why this wouldn't work in dogs?

That is basically what happens in my breed.  When a stud fee is the price of a puppy it doesn't seem fair for the bitch owner to carry the cost. 

It's OK in breeds where the stud fees are very low to say the fee is for the service and not for a litter, as it is just enough to pay the stud dog handler for their time and trouble.

The only possible problem I see could be trust.  I guess you would have to be able to trust people that use your dogs.  I am for it though.

People I know with a stud dog always go and see the litter, so would know how many there were.:-)
Unless I've missed your point completely and you meant something different.:-D

Assuming they weren't selling unregistered pups, the numbers would be in the BRS for all to see.

M.

Oh I am not saying I doubt people. Gosh no.  Just that I gave the benefits in the first post and a possible negative in the second. :-)  I would go for this method.

What like even 1000 miles away? :-D    

:-D :-D In our numerically strong breed there is no need to travel that far for a good stud, but no, probably not that far!:-)

This is becomming quite popular in my breed.  I have been able to use this method since 2005.  Before the days of on-line registration the stud dogs owner would be paid before releasing the green forms to allow bitches owner to register puppies.  Now, I assume the KC contact the studs owner to confirm - I have only this morning registered a litter on-line for the first time and was able to give stud details etc.  I have paid my studs owner more than I would have done for a one off charge - and I am more than happy to do that as dog has provided me with a litter of 11.
I personally think this way of charging for a studs service is much fairer - if you only have a small litter its not so much for the bitches owner to pay out and benefits the studs owner should the litter be above the average.  There is obviously trust involved - I wonder if anyone has had any bad experiences this way?
I also have a young male dog who is available at stud and I have offered this charging system to his prospective bitch owners with positive results.

Whats stopping you?

We do it with our boys.  There is a small handling fee at the time of mating (plus boarding fee if we have the bitch to come stay).  Then at 2 weeks of age there is a charge for each puppy providing there is more than 1 in the litter.  If there is just 1 pup then we waive this fee.

Registration forms will only be signed after payment - and if registering on line then we will advise the KC if no fee has been paid. 

All of it is laid out in a stud dog contract to refer back to if necessary

Obviously we don't offer a free return if no puppies.

kate

>Obviously we don't offer a free return if no puppies.

You don't?

> Obviously we don't offer a free return if no puppies.
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obviously? why not?

We do it with our boys.  There is a small handling fee at the time of mating (plus boarding fee if we have the bitch to come stay). Then at 2 weeks of age there is a charge for each puppy providing there is more than 1 in the litter.  If there is just 1 pup then we waive this fee.

Ermmmm, would think it obvious :) .... kenneling has been provided, a service has been provided for a small handling fee, all acceptable, no big stud fee paid untill puppies are born, and then no fee if a single puppy...damn good service if you ask me ;) But nothing to return....

think i misunderstod- as in they will charge again if the bitch misses and has to be remated? other than maybe a small charge for the extras of housing her again and such that seems a bit mean to me

Well, lodging apart. There is the time spent by the stud owner meeting the bitch's owner, maybe cup of tea/toilet facilities/snack....then the time actually spent on the mating, then loading up bitch and saying the goodbyes...only to maybe repeat same the day after. Don't you think the stud dog owner deserves something for their time? :)

Jeanjenie > You don't?

nope, the bitches owner has paid the handling fee only, there is no further fee if there are no pups.  The handling fee is purely a fee for the dogs time and efforts at the time of mating, together wtih our time.

consider if (figures given are purely hypothetical) the handling fee is say £30 for the mating.  If there are no puppies then there is no further fee, in fact if there is just one puppy there is no further fee.  However, if the bitches owner wants to try again then they would pay a further handling fee and then only pay anything else if there are puppies. At most you've lost out on £60.

If say you went and paid up front £150 and got no puppies you might go back for a second go but could again get no pups, or something could happen to mean that the bitch couldn't be mated at a future season - the bitches owner would then be out £150 with no second go.

Am i making sense?

I'm muddled here (not difficult!). I've come across the 'handling fee' situation before - in fact I use that system myself - of a token amount (non-refundable) paid at the time of mating and the balance of the fee paid at either confirmation of pregnancy or whelping. But usually, if the bitch misses, then there's a free return - no handling fee, but if puppies result this time then the balance of the previous fee is payable. If the bitch misses again then there's nothing more to pay - the single handling fee was paid the first time.

But as long as everything's written down clearly and both parties understand the terms, then any system's fine. It just seemed a bit strange, that's all.

> Depends on the breed.  Pomeranian's are really cheap compared to other breeds.  Around £100 to £200.  Paid £150 for a champion not so long ago!
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Same here.  My toy breed has (normally) 1-3 pups in litter.  Selling price can vary hugely, say £800 - £1,500.  I mated my bitch to a well known stud, I was more than happy with the bloodlines, had already decided that I was keeping the litter for myself.  Two pups born in January, lucky me got one of each sex.  The bitch will make a super brood, and the dog (with fingers x'd here,) is for me to show.  I paid £200 and I believe that £250 is the norm for a champion.  In this instance I didn't need to leave my bitch, as mating was almost immediate, and I took her back 2 days later.  The fee was for 2 covers.  I'm amazed in the huge difference, depending on breed.

yes i suppose, i misunderstood though, i thought that they ment that if the bitch missed they would completely charge for another mating

in my breed we pay  £250  stud fee up front.  cost of pups  £550-£750

If the dog is unproven I would not be asking for a stud fee.  I would want him to go to a proven bitch, if this resulted in pups I would then charge a fee to the next bitch he mated. 
The cost would then be dependent on the progeny that was there for people to see and also his success in his field, be it the ring, working, racing.  Most important to me would be the quality of pups that he was producing - regardless of a CH in front of his name.

The way I would like to see stud fees paid would be an initial sum for the mating and then a price per pup produced.  This is how it used to be done, but this seems to have gone out of the window now. 

In my breed it seems always to ahve been teh price of a puppy or a puppy itself,a dn I think that was common in a lot of breeds.

Why would you not charge a stud fee for a males first litter, it may be the only one he ever sires,a dn if pups are produced then surely a fee should be payable?

Certainly there are excellent dogs and champions in my breed that never got the opportunity to be used at all or only once or twice as there simply weren't compatible bitches for him.

I am preparing to try to use an unproven dog, I actually bred him, and have every intention if a litter results of paying the owner the full stud fee, which is still the price of a puppy.

It just seems to be the case in our breed - I have never heard of anyone charging for a maiden dog. 
We used one of our dogs on our bitch; had it been someone else's bitch we would have not asked for a stud fee.  However, now he is proven we will be charging a fee, which will increase slightly when there are several progeny can be seen in the ring.  

In our breed I have never heard of anyone paying more than £350 for a stud fee. 

Probably the best way to go - if he is unproven is to waive the handling fee and agree on a price per live puppy should the bitch whelp.  Sounds fair all round to me - as long as the bitches owner are aware he is unproven and prepared to take a  chance.

This is what happened in my dogs proving litter.  As I was inexperienced at handling the woman who used him (he went back to her lines) did the handling at the first mating, she assisted me at the next mating.  She then paid me a price per puppy, although I ended part using it towards the price of a bitch in the litter. Npw I charge a handling fee and a set amount per live puppy at two weeks of age.

Two weeks is quite a while to wait - I've just had to pay my balance after 48 hours!  Thankfully all are still doing ok at 10 days.

Quite a discrepancy between charges and ways of charging.  I can certainly see the fairness in charging a nominal fee for 'service' and then a price per pup on delivery - although in the popular breeds the successful dogs really do 'earn' their living mating pet bitches, so I guess it's easier to charge a flat fee.

In my breed the stud fee is the price of a pup, and if the dog isn't proven it's sometimes (but not always) half that.

> It just seems to be the case in our breed - I have never heard of anyone charging for a maiden dog. 
> We used one of our dogs on our bitch; had it been someone else's bitch we would have not asked for a stud fee.  However, now he is proven we will be charging a fee, which will increase slightly when there are several progeny can be seen in the ring.  
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> In our breed I have never heard of anyone paying more than £350 for a stud fee. 

In Ridgebacks the current stud fee is the price of a pup regardless of maiden or prove stud, pup prices are £800+!!!!!!

i belive that in my breed its fee or first pick and newfs are priced at around 950.00 to 1,300 at the moment!!