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Topic Dog Boards / Behaviour / how long does it last????
- By sheryl74 [gb] Date 09.05.08 17:03 UTC
hi i have an 8 week old puppy who is constantly howling at night, we have the radio on a blanket toilet b4 bed all the things that have been suggested and nothing is working coming upstairs is not an option as i have a brand new carpet and he isnt going on paper just wherever he feels like it ;-( the pattern seems to be asleep till 2.30 am then howling and attacking the stair gate for as long as an hour and a half he then starts again around 5.30 am he has paper down which he uses at night during the day its everwhere else i am just wondering how much longer it is gonna take for him to stay quiet till morning and me hubby and kids get some sleep ;-(
- By Brainless [gb] Date 09.05.08 17:21 UTC Edited 09.05.08 17:27 UTC
When he starts at 2.30am are you taking him our to toilet?  he could be an exceptionally clean little mite who doesn't want to dirty near where he sleeps, or simply on waking when his bladder or bowels call, finding himself alone, and is frightened/lonely.

Quietly taking him out as soon as he starts, not paying him any attention other than giving him his toilet command and then back to bed.

do not interact or play with him, but wait for him to settle in his bed again ignoring him all the while.  Put the kettle on, make a cup of tea but do not interact with him.  he should wander off and lie back down.  You then quietly go back to bed.

You may need to get up again about 5 or 6am to do the same.  It is no different to a human baby.

As for paper that is just to mop up and should not be looked on as training, in fact having paper down that he gets into the habit of using will just teach him to go indoors.

The way to house-train is to watch him like a hawk when eh is awake, take him out at least every hour whilst awake, after every meal, game or drink.

You need to take him outside and use a word or phrase only used for toileting, and as soon as he performs praise and/or reward with a tidbit.

As a breeder in common with other breeders I will use paper with a litter to soak up what pups do when in their indoor pens when tiny.  I may also put paper down if I have to leave a pup in the house and know where it is most likely to choose to go, to make cleaning up later easier.
- By suz1985 [gb] Date 09.05.08 22:52 UTC
i have a 5 month old puppy, and when i got him at 7 and a half weeks, he was up 3 times the first 2 nights, then twice nightly for a week, then down to once a night for another week then slept right through.
as brainless as said, i would get up as soon as i heard him (he slept downstairs at this point in a crate) and let him out into the back garden, not talking to him except to say be clean (phrase for toilet) i would then bring him back inside and he would go back to bed. maybe cry for a few minutes or so, then would settle down. this was happening around 2am and 5 am, so obviously as long as he could hold bladder for.
not once did he toilet inside the house at this point, he had a few accidents during the day, but usually my fault, not getting to back door in time etc, and he had picked up housetraining by end of first week, i began training him to garden rather than paper, and he was fine.
during the day, you need to take him out after he wakes up, plays, eats, drinks, pretty much anything! they pee a lot! by taking them out and letting them have a sniff and encouraging them to pee, they will usually pick it up quite fast. good luck
- By Blue Date 10.05.08 00:02 UTC
If he is 8 weeks old how long have you had him?  They take a good few days to settle in a routine.
- By Ktee [au] Date 10.05.08 00:54 UTC
I would ditch the paper training and take him outside when he cries for you.Letting him toilet inside is only going to prolong his house training.
- By sheryl74 [gb] Date 10.05.08 13:31 UTC
i havw had him for a week now we was told by the owners that they were 8 weeks and then worked out the date of birth and he turned out to be only 7 weeks
- By sheryl74 [gb] Date 10.05.08 13:38 UTC
i think it could work as the paper in the kitchen during the day is very hit and miss so maybe not having it down and watching him will work better as he does seem to think he can go wherever he likes ;-(
what about during the day when in the kitchen paper down then?
thank you so much for all your advice i will keep you posted
- By Brainless [gb] Date 10.05.08 13:55 UTC
Nope the eagle eye approach is best, the less often eh has to do it in the house the quicker he will learn that outside is ALWAYS the place to go.
- By Dakkobear [gb] Date 10.05.08 19:54 UTC
If he does go in the house then make sure you give it a good clean with scent removing cleaners. i used the pets at Home one but I know some others use biological washing powder or other homemade solutions. If you only clean with the normal household cleaners it won't remove the smell and he may keep going to that spot.
- By Kasshyk [gb] Date 10.05.08 20:43 UTC
The normal house hold cleaners contain ammonia as an active ingredient and will actually encourage a pup to go there again.
- By Debussy [gb] Date 10.05.08 21:24 UTC
Don't worry it will get better!  I have a 14 week old pup who now goes in garden throughout day and only occasionally has night accidents.  I did lay paper down in her area (kitchen) and she did try and go on this.  The benefit of the newspaper is that you can also move it gradually to where you want the pup to go, ie. back door.  So when she goes near back door and starts sniffing (paper there or not) you have a fair indication that she needs to pee.

Also, taking them outside every hour at 8 weeks is a good idea, but the quickest way for them to learn, is when you catch them in the act indoors, and you can say 'uh uh' or whatever, and pick them up mid or before action, then put them in the garden so they know that the garden is the right place to go.  Otherwise, the pup won't necessarily realise that the house is the 'wrong' place. 

Have you tried using a DAP plug in thingy, that's supposed to emulate the mother's hormones.  They are supposed to be very calming to pups (although haven't used them personally).  What I did is rub a piece of vet bedding on the mother's coat, and our pup slept on that.  Could you still get something from your breeder with the mother's scent on?

Anyway, this phase will pass and you will get some sleep eventually! 
- By bagpipe [gb] Date 13.05.08 08:11 UTC
In actual fact, when my dog was eight weeks old I didn't wait till she made a noise to let me know when she needed to go, but I set my alarm for about 1.30 am. went downstairs and took her out into the garden, not speaking to her really, no fuss, no play, just toiletting, which she did always promptly.  Back into her crate, lights off, a little bit crying and all went quiet.  I set my alarm for five'ish and did the same thing again.  I did this for two weeks, then I did it only once a night for another two weeks and then I left her, she slept through and there was no peep ot of her.

As someone else said...eight weeks is so small, you wouldn't have expected your children to be quiet all night when they were babies.  A dog baby is no different really, the only difference will be that they learn much quicker of course to  be clean in the house than human children in their clothes.  But your children needed pottie training, your pup needs training too, it won't happen automatically.
Topic Dog Boards / Behaviour / how long does it last????

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