have a newfoundland booked in for clipping i thought about giving it a 1"clip on body and part legs and thinning where required has any other groomers done this and can they advise also price and time scale

You are going to clip a newfie ? Tidy up, bathe & good groom out, but clipping all over ??? I better not say what I think I've never known anyone with Newfie clip their coats short

Please be aware that double coats keep heat out as well as keeping heat in.  I would never clip a Newfie.  Tidy up the feathering by all means, take out all the dead coat, but never clip.

Debs

Even the grooming 'Hacks' in town wouldn't clip a Newfie, and they'll clip anything that stays still long enough!
They brush out, bathe and brush out again to get as much coat as possible out.  Not cheap either!

If you clip him he won't be black anymore either and will loose all weatherproofing, and with the way Newfs are drawn to water won't be good.

I would not say definite no to clipping this dog, I would ask why the owners want him clipped...
I would never clip a dog like that if it was not necessary but we do clip our oldie in the summer!

She is a ten year old Leo and has a tendency to get hotspot and she does got so hot and bothered in the warn summer days!
Few years ago we decided to clip her and have not looked back, she now gets a summer look every summer!

If she had her full coat on she would not be able to go swimming as much as she does as even with a shower to clean her and the coat blown dry she seemed to hold some moisture and end up with a hotspot in certain areas (these areas were obviously dried extra carefully).
Even when she was banned from swimming (other problems) she would drink and lay in the water and because of the hot weather end up with hotspot in her neck! But she does have very sensitive skin and immunological problems so this plays a part in her sensitivity.

She does not look as good as she would look and I actually love grooming the coat (its my therapy :) ) but she is so much cooler and happier in her short coat(even though people say the can keep them cool this definitely was not a case with her!)
For her quality of life she gets trimmed short as this allows her to keep cooler and enjoy her retirement years to the full!
You can actually see her getting happy when we are clipping the coat off and she does rounds running (this dog hardly ever runs!) showing off her clipped cooler look!

She still grows a proper coat for the winter and the quality of this coat has not suffered at all from the "summer" look as the clipped coat gets blown in the autumn.

sorry to but in but what is hot spot?

Just got my grooming book out and it says:

Tidy natural feet
Tidy Hocks
Then trim rear feathering and chest with thinners or coat king if required
Strip or thin excessive hair around ears

and to do this every 3-4 months

hth

A hot spot is an area on the body that becomes hot,moist,reddened and usually  there is some exudate.The fur becomes matted and the dog gets quite sore.Common areas behind and below ears,around tail area,skin creases,virtually anywhere.Causes can be allergy based,insect bites getting hot and sweaty and sometimes no known causes.Treatment is usually clipping the fur away and using a steroid cream like Fuciderm or natural remedy such as Collodial silver.A good wash in Hibiscrub.helps.In our family they commonally develope 2 days before a big show eg Crufts!!!!!!!!Thats irony for you.

I think the most to do on a newf would be to use a coat king to help thin out the coat but keep the double coat.

just did a chow last week whose owners wanted it clipped  down a bit ??, took 21/2 hrs to wash dry brush it out and owner was chargeed £50

Person is in America where they clip everything off. I've seen photographs of very weird Pomeranian clips etc.  Why don't people realise that these coats are there to protect them?

Maybe, maybe not, IP is showing as USA but then my IP shows as USA too but i'm definitely sitting in sunny Cumbria :) they may just use AOL.

you reaction is the same as mine but the dog is being treated for hot spots by vet and reluctant to exercise due to heat, have explained the correct grooming proceedure and already groomed dog to breed standard but she still wants dog clipped as she has been told this can be done by someone who rescues Newfoundlands. Can you advise

Have they not tried the dog in water ? if it doen't like waterto swim & exercise in it must be a very strange Newfie. Even the laziest Newfies my friends have had liked to swim

I've spoken to my friends= whose had had Newfies for over 30 years & she advising stongly against clipping, because as others have said the coat will no longer be black & waterproof.

Thanks for that. This is a first time dog owner and she rescued her dog and spent thousands on it getting it back to health ,become paronoid, she is terrified it will overheat and die. Now I can advise her that experienced owners do not have there dogs clipped and point her in the direction of the local beach.

I walk with at least one and often two newfs every morning and they certainly aren't clipped. The coat keeps them cool. If she's really worried and wants to do something to keep her dog cool how about suggesting a paddling pool. I have one for my goldens and my friend, who has owned newfies for years, has one for her boy. Dipping their feet keeps them cool. The rest of the time he lies on the cool conservatory floor, the cool garage or the shade in the back garden. She just leaves all the doors open and lets him find a comfortable spot.

Taking the dogs out very early and late evening is also the best way to avoid problems with heat and a fan in the room where they are is appreciated if the House is hard to keep cool.

If the dog has hotspot and is prone in getting it, swimming i full coat is not for them as the moisture in the coat will make the hot spot blossom!
Newfies have even more coat than Leos so it must be very difficult to dry especially if they do not have a proper blaster.

We used to use coat king it is very good in thinning the coat to make it easier to blow dry and air but if the hotspot is bad does not work.
We have been fighting the hot spot for 10 years now and only thing that helped with ours and allowed her to swim was clipping the coat.
Even with short coat she does get red areas ever now and again but these can be seen and treated then before the progress to nasty hot spot areas.
Something we also used to do to help her cool (before we gave up and clipped the coat) was to just clip area on her belly where they have less hairs anyway, even this helped her keep cool when lying on cool surface. We also clipped the area on her neck she is most likely to get hotspot.

Maybe you should clip the areas with Hotspot to help them dry and heal, thin the rest with coat king and tell them to invest on a blaster!

We actually have a cooling machine we use on on one room to bring the temperature down when it is very hot, bought for her for her 8th Birthday :)

I would recommend they get a canine cooler  http://www.doghealth.co.uk/summer.htm#Cooling  this will help to keep her dog cool without clipping all the protective coat off and will also stop the anxious owner worrying!

But Leos are not water dogs(or are they ?)& actually unless you shampoo Newfies their coats dry really quickly, due the natural oils etc. The cooler mats are brilliant, my old cavalier really benefited from his during the hot weather.

My friend always had an old fashioned Tin Bath filled with water for her Newfies & in really hot weather she even added bags of ice cubes(don't forget they are still used as Beach rescue dogs in the USA & Newfoundland(The sea off Newfoundland is really cold at times)if the bath was empty her Newfies would upend the outside water buckets & lie in the water.

An Air Con machine is another thought

> But Leos are not water dogs(or are they ?)&

Yes MM :) they do water rescue as well :)

LOL but they are not first & foremost water dogs like Newfie(lololol I've been towed by a very fit young male at high speed into a boating lake, because someone was waving to their friends on shore from a boat  !!!!)

No true ;)  but I've never known one to pass up the chance to jump in water - even passing a big puddle you have to hold on tight! :-P 

lol there used to be one in our village-she was a very big girl(sadly no longer around but she would be quite old(in her late teens)now) The resident roaming stud tried it on with her when she wasn't in season(she was spayed), she picked him up , downed him & then shook him like a rag & then let go & walked away with her owner-who was in a state of shock, because she was the gentlest of dogs

Definatley point her in the direction of a local watering hole knowing newfs a big puddle will do.:) Definatley no clipping though, If she does get hot spots clip the coat to the skin round the spot and bathe with salt water and dry it until it goes that what I do when they have had the odd one. I always have a paddling pool available to my two when its really really hot. MM is right as long as no shampoo is used only the surface of the coat gets wet and will only take about 30 minutes to dry in the sun. My black newf regularly sunbathes and is so hot to the touch but penetrate the surface and she is cool.

My girls are not water dogs, they are ducks :)!Well if you ask them...
The roots of Leos as a breed do actually point to Landseer being used so they have the "water trait" and most have webbed feet too!

I had no idea Newfie coat is that water proof, learn something new everyday!

Just an idea...Maybe the lady in question has washed hers too often with too strong shampoo making the coat all fluffy and not water proof?

Shampoo remaining in the coat will also cause hot spots.