Rate or slate?

I'm reading through his 2nd book now.  Sounds like tosh but you cant lie with the TV shows with how he handles them dogs.

I have both of his books and i thought they were great, same again with cesar i dont agree with some of his methods but others are great :-)

Each to their own as with all things some methods are good some aren't

I think that he is very good, however I think that tv shows regarding dog training are a bit misleading as in the shows the owners problems are resolved within days and I'm sure that this cannot ALWAYS be the case.

Personally I think he is a bully

> but you cant lie with the TV shows with how he handles them dogs.

I think it may be edited a bit ;)

Dont like him at all, rather good article on the man on here.

http://www.4pawsu.com/dogpsychology.htm

I would be moderated if I said what I think of him, so just think all the worst words you know and that's my opinion. :) Even my kids told me to turn the telly off when we happened to catch a programme by accident one day -they were horrified. He needs a time machine to end up in 2008 as he appears to be stuck in the 1950's.

> I would be moderated if I said what I think of him, so just think all the worst words you know and that's my opinion

I would be banned for life if I wrote what I actually think of him, he states that you have to be "Calm assertive"but then takes up a very dominant threatening stance & instead of using a kind type of collar, he either uses whatever the owner has(Pinch collar, choker etc)or one of his Illusion collars & a slip lead that is placed up under the ears & kept tight. The part of the lead visible is loose, but the noose around the dogs throat is very tight.

If you watch the programs at all, turn the sound off & concentrate on the dog & it's expression. You will see the dogs close down or distinct signs of stress(lip licking, yawning etc), he wants the dog to have it's tail down all the time not natural at all, especially with hound breeds/hound crossbreeds.

He gets bitten a lot, has no ideal what some breeds actually are for example he called a mongrels a GSD(because it was black & tan), he called an Australian Cattle Dog a Dingo !!!!!!(dingo are classed as wild animals here & in the USA-not a domesticated dog,

His methods come from his Grandfather & the dogs in his Grandfather's "pack"on his farm & the wolf studies on artificial man made captive packs which have been debunked by wolf experts like David Mech many years ago

I have read both of his books but then I read alot of peoples behaviour books cos I find them fascinating and I think there is a lot to learn even if it is that we dont want to do it that way. 

The only thing I will say for him is that at least he is firm on the owners about exercise as it staggers me the amount of people on the programs who dont seem to think they have to walk their dogs and provide mental stimulation.

Yes I agree with you there about the excercise,
No dog needs to be walked of its legs but I,m sure I,d have problems if I never got out in the fresh air for a good walk.(more problems than I already have that is )
Seems to me most of the time its the owners who have more problems than trhe dogs sometimes I wonder who sold these dogs to some of the people who appear on the show.
If iI had a littter for sale I,d batten down the hatches if they approached me for a pup!!!

He's a bully that pushes dogs past their limits until they shut down and then calls it calm submission!  He seems completley unaware of the body language that the dogs are offering him in an attempt to get him to stop the things he does to them.  His answer to every problem is its about dominance when in reality pretty much none of the problems have a jot to do with dominance!  What he does is supress the undesirable behaviours by using punishment and never actually deals with the underlying problem that cause the behaviours in the first place.  He never actually trains a dog to do something but stops them doing things by using punishment.  A so called dog lover that sent most of "his pack" back to rescue when he moved premises.  I think what he does is abusive to dogs and think he is a dangerous man to have on tv, because his edited tv programes make it LOOK like his methods are effective and unfortunately people who aren't aware of dog behavior and body language follow these methods, to the detriment of the dog and sometimes the owner - as his methods often push dogs into biting! 

karenclynes, I'm applauding you for putting into words what I know I couldn't manage without getting too angry -great post! I agree totally. Even my kids could tell what he was doing was wrong.

One question? Does the guy even like dogs??? The few times i've briefly watched him i just thought "why". Yes some people are more lovey dovey and affectionate than others, and people who work with animals for their profession do tend to be less touchy feely or cuddly as the average pet owner, but Ceaser just seems to be so cold and nasty like he doesnt even like dogs. My opinion anyway.

Oh I think he does love his dogs- have you seen the way he is with Daddy such a lovely Pit bull , He's my favourite he reminds me of my snoop I suppose . I don't think you could really be all lovey dovey with a pack of 50 dogs? if that's how many he has?

I watched his programme last night after reading every one's comments and yes I agree he is far too dominant- he had an older ladies GSD and basically he was just choked the living daylights out of him so the dog couldn't breath to get him outside of the yard. Not really the sort of human dog relationship I would want with my dog.

I once tried his hand claw/bite thing in the shoulder area he keeps going on about. My snoop would stand right behind me while I was by my cooker, I kept telling him "Back" "Back" for him just to again be right on my heels! so I told him again "Get back" and as he just stood there looking at me...so I wait ooh with my claw/bite hand Cesar thing and OMG just made me feel well guilty snoop went off into the front room got in his bed and sulked all evening I so upset him! so never have I done that move on him again....He made me feel such a cow !!

Thanks MarianneB :-) He makes me angry too!  With regards to loving his dogs, I think love is open to interpretation, for me respect is a big part of love and I don't think he shows his dogs respect.  Like I said I also think most of his methods are abusive and don't think abuse has a place in love either.  I do think he loves himself rather a lot though!  Daddy is a lovely boy but most of the time when you see Ceaser approaching him Daddy offers him appeasment behaviours which I think is somewhat sad!  I also don't think someone who loved their dogs would send them back to rescue just because they were moving premises :-(

There is assertive and there is bullying.

I have never noticed any bullying or looked that closely at the signs the dogs give off, but will look out for them the next time I watch the show.

i see where your coming from with that freds mum... he doesn't seem to really enjoy them does he? like my dad is more of an assertive dominant type with the dogs (as milan encourages) compared to my cuddly type but you can tell when he's with them that he adores them (same look as he gets when my nephews causing chaos, proud grandad!). milan doesn't seem happy with them to me.

he always seemed to me like an alpha whos scared of being usurped- same way the head dog gets as they get older, snappy and always tense looking.

i think he makes some very good points (about energy and such) but doesn;t really appear to apply them

his good

Yeah feel the same Astarte. We are strict at times and others we let things slip, but theres a happy medium that needs to be met.
I alwagys remeber someone with a very obediant dog telling me if you show the dog love and build a bond it will do anything for you. Its so true. Theres a lot to be said for a dog wantin to do it as opposed to being made to do it

> Theres a lot to be said for a dog wantin to do it as opposed to being made to do it

so very true. with my breed you learn very early on that if they don't want to do something they won't do it and with a fully grown one trying to make them is either extremely difficult or sheer folly. much better to convince them they want to do it for you (or a treat...)

Well yes. Offer a treat and the dogs yours...mind you - so is anyone who gives me chocolate!:-)

>I alwagys remeber someone with a very obediant dog telling me if you show the dog love and build a bond it will do anything for you. Its so true. Theres a lot to be said for a dog wantin to do it as opposed to being made to do it

Couldn't agree more! :-) that bond is so important and I am one of those who is really cuddly and affectionate with my dogs too, (CM wouldn't approve but we don't need him) lol.

I agree with CM about energy states, very important IMO, yet the rest of it I find domineering and bullying; dogs will not respect anyone they fear IMO.  

I think he's good as he does save a lot of the dogs from rehome or worse, whatever his way he chooses to do it. He's straight forward and talks a lot of common sense when it's needed. We owners can be to soft a lot of the time and we have to admit, we spoil our babies. Dogs are dogs and need direction, although I am disapointed with his power of the pack theory, as it appears that they are all "de-sexed" as he puts it. I wonder what he would do when faced with a bunch of entire dogs?

You most definately CAN lie with tv shows.

Im fairly sure hes shown an 'after' shot of a dog behaving well that wasnt the same dog that had been behaving badly (one of his own though)..

Certainly, different tv show, but Dog Borstal have filmed their 'before - horrid dog, after - nice dog' footage on teh SAME DAY...

Cesar, in my opinion is a bully. He isnt interested particularly in why a dog behaves a certain way, he trains with brute force and ignorance, not common sense or thinking through a problem.

What he SAYS and what he DOES are two different things. He says 'achieve a state of calm submission'.. what he DOES is achieve a state of learned helplessness (when an animal is so fearful they shut down and cease reacting at all). Those are so far from being the same thing its not true.

I dont think he even saves a lto of dogs from being rehomed or put down - its a line commonly trotted out 'oh but he was their last hope'. Oh no, no he wasnt, there are plenty of common sense, hands off, positive reinforcement trainers in the world, plenty of decent, clever, well educated behaviourists too. They ARE out there for these dogs, and by making it seem as if his bullying domineering methods are the cool thing to do, he is making things worse for dogs in teh long run, not better.

I do know this to be true, because i DO go and see dogs whose owners have tried these things and made their dog a million times worse. I see the people who thought the alpha roll was ok, and their dog submitted to it and that was fine.. until their kid did it... and the dog bites them in the face. I know someone who has recently had a young rottie pup put down because he got sick to death of people psssssting and jabbing him with fingers and he damn near took Grandmas finger off when she did it - sadly they asked me too late and I couldnt get quick enough results with him to stop them deciding to have him pts. The poor dog was confused and frightened.

For me.. dogs of the world would be better off without Cesar.

Yes I am not surprised with hearing your story of the poor rottie that had to be put to sleep.

I personally think that Victoria Stillwell & Ian Dunbar are the real good trainers out there, who work with the dog rather than forced training which is a very dangerous method indeed.

A dog that has been bullied into being trained only submits to the bully, imagine if you left your dog with another person be maybe the vet kennel say... those persons having a kind & gentle way would confused the dog even more and once returned to its owner could react badly.

I always remember the story a few years back with the police training methods by hanging the dogs up in trees, Cesar is basically doing the same the way he has their collar up by their throat and ears and pulls them up when freaking out -just hanging them really. 

I think what he is trying to teach is unfair to show to th average person and expect it to work.
Its like me watching an oeration then expecting to go and perform surgery...it just isnt that simple!

> I do know this to be true, because i DO go and see dogs whose owners have tried these things and made their dog a million times worse. I see the people who thought the alpha roll was ok, and their dog submitted to it and that was fine.. until their kid did it... and the dog bites them in the face. I know someone who has recently had a young rottie pup put down because he got sick to death of people psssssting and jabbing him with fingers and he damn near took Grandmas finger off when she did it - sadly they asked me too late and I couldnt get quick enough results with him to stop them deciding to have him pts. The poor dog was confused and frightened.

This is the owners of the dogs fault, not Cesar Millan!! People on here have the sense to know not to physically punish/correct a dog (the TV show & Cesars books tell you not to do this, to consult a proffesional), so why should somedoy else who decides jabbing thier dog in the neck get to blame Cesar for thier own stupid actions. People with powerful breeds of dog should put effort into understanding dogs BEFORE they get them. Owning a large &/ powerful dog is much more a responsibility, if they aren't trained/understood properly and bite the damage can be fatal. These people should have the blame laid at thier feet, not Cesars.

I am interested in learning about Cesars methods along with others, I watch his shows & read his books along with any other dog behaviour shows & books I can I think all behaviourists have at least a litte bit of something to say worth listening to.
I would NEVER use a pysical correction on my Mastiff (if you watch the shows enough you would have seen that Cesar will tell you NOT to alpha roll a dog, especially a  powerfull gladiator-type dog as basically it is in thier nature to step up the aggression & overpower anything doing this to them). Ceasr's books promote reward-based training and encourage affection with your dog, he just believes that giving affection to your dog when it is in the wrong state of mind (hyper, scared, dominant etc.) is wrong. The TV show are about him changing the behaviour of badly behaved dogs that in most cases have allready been seen by different trainers/behaviourist and in a lot of cases these people have advised the dog be PTS.

Turid Rugaas is quite well respected and gives a big insight into calming signals, how to read them from your dog. As well as giving us signals via body language our dogs are capeable of reading body language (in fact, I have found body language to be much more powerfull than any verbal command/correction). If you take away all the waffle from Cesar you are left with a man that uses body language to get thorugh to these dogs.
I don't know how suitable the 'neckk jabs' are for changing the behaviour of a dog that is badly behavied that people have advised it be PTS, but I do know that the neck jabs are not something I would consider doing to my own dogs, to start with, from the very first moment I have had my dogs I have trained them and address any problems as soon as they may show. A simple thing like my pup thinks it's fun to chase the cat, this is discouraged, if left it could easilly escalate, this is where a lot of people go wrong, they assume that a dog will learn to behave simply by getting older, they don't realise they have to be taught about everything, then one day the bad behaviour is too much to take and they start giving neck jabs and yanking the dog around on it's lead - a dog they have been so slack with they have caused the bad behaviour in the first place, the dog understandably is confused, it ibites and Cesar gets the blame.

Cesar has a lot of experience with dogs and I think he has something to offer =  "calm, assertive energy". Please Cesar fans DO NOT USE PHYSICAL FORCE/CORRECTIONS ON YOUR DOG, if you want to change your dogs behaviour stay calm & don't use force, if you still can't control your dog - GO SEE A BEHAVIORIST/TRAINER (trip to the vet first to rule out medical causes).

If you take away all the waffle from Cesar you are left with a man that uses body language to get thorugh to these dogs.

Since when is hard jerks on the lead, pushing a dog over etc known as BODY LANGUAGE?!

> Since when is hard jerks on the lead, pushing a dog over etc known as BODY LANGUAGE?!

It isn't body language - it's physical punishement - something that shouldn't be done. The same as neck jabs & alpha rolls all physical punishment. Cesar could get the dogs behaving just as well without this force, his body language (without the physical punishments) is very effective. Time & time again he will stop dogs charging & barking at the door when a visitor come, simply by standing in front of the door in a 'confidant' posture. If he were to drop all the tough stuff he would still be getting through to these dogs.
The BoerBoel that was rehabilitated from being very aggressive (the owner couldn't get near it & was advised by several trainers/behaviourists to have it PTS) was changed & sucessfully re-homed, by calm body language, no force and a very good understanding of canine behaviour, it's a shame Cesar doesn't use that with all of the dogs. He can transorfm the behaviour of a huge powerfull potentailly lethal dog without touching it, so there is no need for him to touch the smaller dogs.

I have to say i don't mind cesar milan, though some of his techniques i don't agree with and would never use.

i don't think anyone is saying his points are totally rubbish mastiff lover, in fact i know a lot of people agree with me that what is says about energy is right on the money, body language as well and various other things. however in some of the shows this is not put across well and could be easily misinterpreted and applied by the public who are, lets face it, occasionally not that keen on common sense.

> People on here have the sense to know not to physically punish/correct a dog (the TV show & Cesars books tell you not to do this, to consult a proffesional), so why should somedoy else who decides jabbing thier dog in the neck get to blame Cesar for thier own stupid actions

cause they saw him do it on tv and think that thats studing up as you suggest. we as informed dog lovers and owners know that before getting any breed you should do lots of research, however not everyone is that switched on as we see from 1: poor breeding practises, 2: the reign of puppy farmers and the "oh but it was so cute" buyers, 3: dog attacks against children "he was just playing by pulling the dogs ears"... i could go on. essentially it boils down to many people are twits.

yes the blames with them but trainers need to be aware of the power that they hold to influence those who watch their shows. they are marketed in such a way as to suggest that they are miricle cures that work almost instantaniously.

> He can transorfm the behaviour of a huge powerfull potentailly lethal dog without touching it, so there is no need for him to touch the smaller dogs.

thats my big issue with him, as well as the fact that he knows that, still does it, then suggests to people who know no better that thats how to do it. he's a tiddly guy, i'd love to see him try and alpha roll a mastiff or a leo or something the way he does small breeds, he'd be eaten alive. then peope try it (did we not have a thread about someones odd type of bulldog?) and get bitten

Interesting debate, glad I asked!

If his methods are indeed incorrect, why has he made it onto TV?  How would you do things differently, especially if it were issues or problems to be dealt with?

i'd be less physical (well... probably with my big boy i'd be about as physical as he is with wee dogs simply to get his attention lol- kidding folks), more reward focused etc. as we said many of the points he makes are valid just some of his techniques are very questionable.

he's made it on to tv because he's charismatic and makes good tv.

> If his methods are indeed incorrect, why has he made it onto TV? 

He has made it to TV due to his huge success, I think that a lot of his tough stuff (alpha rolls etc) is a marketing ploy in the sense it quickens the results, making 'better' viewing :( The first 'pack' he rehabilitaded was several 'death-row' Rotties (due to be pts through bad/aggressive behavior), I am sure he didn't use the rough stuff on them, working with a whole pack of large badly-behaved dogs, if he had alpha rolled one he would have been in trouble.

I have learned a lot from Cesars methods, the calm assertive energy thing is like a magic switch for my Mastiff.

It is a shame that he gets a lot of bad press because stupid people think they can copy him and get the same results, as somebody else said (Freds mum I think?) surgeries are televised without the worry that joe public will be under the illusion that as they saw it on TV they can do it thierselfs. Stopping the airing of certain programmes for the worry of idiots coppying them is not fair to those of us with common sense.

You can walk down the street and see plenty of people treating thier dogs wrongly, but that isn't a cop-out for the idiots who then go home and do the same to thier dogs. I recently saw 2 middle aged women walking a couple of small dogs each, they were walking towards one another, as they got close all the dogs whent into over-drive, barking screaming jumping all over the place, the women dragged thier dogs past, once they had passed oneanother they both started to slap thier dogs!!!! The women had no controllover thier dogs, but I'm sure they are the type of person who would go home, watch 1 show of the Dog Whisperer, slam thier dogs to the floor in an alpha-roll and then blame Cesar for thier dogs reactions.

>How would you do things differently.

I prefer to do everything  I can to stop so my dogs don't get to develope behaviour problems like the dogs on Cesars show, I do this by gaining thier trust, respect & love through being a constant sorce of stable direction, never showing anger, aggression or force - I don't need to - I am allready in controll of everthing in my dogs life, this is the perfect way to condition/train/teach a dog that in order to get food/attection/play etc they have to behave. Food rewards are fantastic for conditioning a desired behaviour (as long as your dog loves food), it teaches the dog that if they do the requested/desired behaviour they get a reward, when the wanted behaviour beomcomes a reflex/habbit the food reward can be fased out to random (this is opperant conditioning isn't it?). The dog is then happy to do the behaviour.

I have watched some of these programs since everyone is talking about him on here, and so far, at least i haven't seen him alpha roll at all, in fact he told someone not to (he said you shouldn't push the dog down, he will roll over himself when he is submissive to you). He did push one dog down, but not 'alpha roll' just held it down to stop it trying to bite him - that must be better than  allowing the dog to bite, or backing off so the dog knows he can intimidate (though i would be afraid to do this myself, and i think the program is right to warn owners to only do this with professional help). I think these extreme measures are not for the average dog, they only happen when he has a really aggressive case, and if it is true what is said about him that he has saved lots of rottweillers and pit bulls and 'types' from being put down, that must be a good thing, even though you probably wouldn't need to use these techniques on your well-bred pet labrador (and neither would he, on the programmes i've seen at least).
He does use aversive noise on all the dogs (sshh sound), many dogs need some sort of negative, eg victoria stillwell suggests use 'ba-ah' to tell a dog off, and some people use noisy cans as aversive sound, so not very controversial there. He also pokes some of the dogs if they don't take notice of the noise, either in neck or on the side of the body. He very clearly says this is not to hurt the dog but just to make it pay attention, to surprise it, really. It is all about knowing your dog. Some people on here say they don't need to train their dog, just tell it what to do, and it does it, they may be lucky with their body language, and/or their dog's personality. Other people and dogs (me) need to use training aids (eg clicker) to help them and their dogs understand what to do. I think there is a place for aversive noise, and it has been effective with my dog, who would not always pay attention otherwise. Maybe if my dog were really aggressive or ignored me more i'd want to try poking it to see if that helped get his attention. Don't forget these people are at their wits end, and have often had other trainers who may have advised put to sleep, or said nothing can be done.

> as we said many of the points he makes are valid just some of his techniques are very questionable.

agree with you totally..

You've changed your avatar - bless :)  is that your boy on it?

yes :)

since he's going to actually me mine soon instead of a family pet i thought i would have just him :)

as you see he is very mastiffy (dunno why! the rest of his line are all bully and the temps all bully lol!)

> Don't forget these people are at their wits end, and have often had other trainers who may have advised put to sleep, or said nothing can be done.

This is a good point. For a lot of the dogs in the show it really is thier last chance.

The aversive noise is brill - I use 'a a' (i tried 'sshhh' but my pup looked at me as if I was nuts!!!!)

> have watched some of these programs since everyone is talking about him on here, and so far, at least i haven't seen him alpha roll at all, in fact he told someone not to (he said you shouldn't push the dog down, he will roll over himself when he is submissive to you). He did push one dog down, but not 'alpha roll' just held it down to stop it trying to bite him - that must be better than  allowing the dog to bite, or backing off so the dog knows he can intimidate (though i would be afraid to do this myself, and i think the program is right to warn owners to only do this with professional help).

He Alpha rolled a Shiba Inu & then knelt on it's neck, result It bit him !

He Alpha Rolled(well tried to)a BullDog(the English type)& he got bitten !

See the pattern ?

He strung up a Mongrel(he called it a GSD-but it wasn't) & he got bitten !

He manhandled an Australian Cattle Dog(again with his noose sorry slip lead)& he got bitten(plus he called it a Dingo !!!)

He forced a little Chinese Crested X to mix with his"pack"forced it to walk & tried to make it swim in a small washing up type bowl-this was done for a month & then taken to the vet who found the dog couldn't walk-not because it didn't want to or was trying to dominant but because of a serious neurological disorder & was also completely blind(it died shortly afterwards)

His"Pack"walk around with their tails down & when they are near him watch their expression, there is little eye contact.

The trouble is the program makes it look like it is all achieved very quickly & lazy/poor owners think this is the way for an instant fix. i know someone with one of the sled dog breeds Alpha Rolled his dog after watching him & was killed by his dog, it was only after that that the warnings were added to his site & his programs

Did you see the program with the Rottie that"worked"the sheep at the end ? All it did was chase them freely much to the so called shepherd's delight & CM's joy, the Rottie came very very close to biting several times & had it been fitter it would have downed the sheep(the dog was overweight)

He bases most dogs problems on domination & lack of exercise, he doesn't actually train the dogs at all(he doesn't believe in dog training parsay)he forces himself on them to stop the behaviour by his aggressive stance, voice & physical restraints. He uses pinch collars etc if the dog is wearing one or swaps the dogs collar for one of his "slip"leads up under the ears pulled & kept tight by the rubber"bung"so he can have control by pain whilst having the actual lead slack.

When he moved his centre to his new facility several of his dogs went into rescues !

Daddy was with him from being a puppy & was never a"Red Zone"dog-he's quite a nice dog if you like bull breeds that have had their ears lopped off fashion

> he doesn't actually train the dogs at all(he doesn't believe in dog training parsay)

No, he is always saying he doesn't train dogs, but he advocates reward based training in his books.

> Daddy was with him from being a puppy & was never a"Red Zone"dog-he's quite a nice dog if you like bull breeds that have had their ears lopped off fashion

"Daddy" is not Cesars dog!!! It is a rock stars dog, who enlisted the help of Cesar to iron out some behaviour problems, "Daddy" is left with Cesar while the rock star is touring.

> What he SAYS and what he DOES are two different things. He says 'achieve a state of calm submission'.. what he DOES is achieve a state of learned helplessness (when an animal is so fearful they shut down and cease reacting at all). Those are so far from being the same thing its not true.

That is probably the single most annoying thing that he does/says for me.  It's clearly not c'calm submission', it's fear.  No two ways about it.

Tonight I find myself liking him even less (if that were possible) - I have bought his "be the pack leader" book for a college assignment, and near the beginning he talks about a high-flying businessman having trouble with his two dogs fighting.  MIllan notes that the man's staff are all too scared of retribution to do anything at all when Millan asks them to try his methods with the dogs (as they do most of the handling).  He very clearly recognises that they have shut down, and in his words, reads fear in their body language, and observes the increase in fear signals when the man comes in the room.

If he can read people that well, why on earth does blatant fear in the dogs go completely unnoticed?  The mind boggles, it really does.  He also talks about avoidance behaviour in dogs - yet I've never once seen him notice it from dogs, aimed at him, in his TV show.

> I dont think he even saves a lto of dogs from being rehomed or put down - its a line commonly trotted out 'oh but he was their last hope'. Oh no, no he wasnt, there are plenty of common sense, hands off, positive reinforcement trainers in the world, plenty of decent, clever, well educated behaviourists too. They ARE out there for these dogs, and by making it seem as if his bullying domineering methods are the cool thing to do, he is making things worse for dogs in teh long run, not better.

Well said!  I think in the clients' eyes he is their last hope - probably because they either don't realise there are other options, or can't be bothered to try.  Whenever Millan is discussed I always find myself mentioning my Soli (as I often do in so many threads :-P) - when she came home she was a BAD resource guarder of sofas and beds, to the point that I couldn't go through a door to the room if she was on the sofa without her growling loudly and if I got close, snapping badly.  On the bed she would snap with no warning at all.  Now, if Millan was to look at her, he'd immediately label her 'dominant', and probably start trying to alpha roll her and force her into various situations; but the end result would not be a success.

It woudl be a disaster.  The first thing she would have done is bite him - HARD, and rightly so.  And probably repeatedly.  His methods would never work on her, because her issues - much as so many dogs I have seen on his show - have absolutely nothing to do with dominance.  With her, it was trust and fear; still is to a small extent but nowhere near as badly.  Her aggression to other dogs is not out-and-out aggression, it is fear; if he'd had her, he would probably have flooded her by throwing her in with his pack.  That would have made her 100 times worse and probably non-recoverable.  I, on the other hand, have spent 18 months slowly working on her aggression using positive methods, and she is now able to meet and be offlead around a lot of dogs - compared to reacting awfully at as far away as 50ft (depending on the dog).

All he seems to want to do is get control by whatever means are necessary, with no thought to the emotional effect on the dog, and for that I cannot stand the man.

>> Daddy was with him from being a puppy & was never a"Red Zone"dog-he's quite a nice dog if you like bull breeds that have had their ears lopped off fashion
> "Daddy" is not Cesars dog!!! It is a rock stars dog, who enlisted the help of Cesar to iron out some behaviour problems, "Daddy" is left with Cesar while the rock star is touring.

Ohh I got that wrong!!!! according to his website Daddy was Cesars from 4 months old, different to what his book says ?????

I think Cesar Milan is great, he's the only dog trainer ive seen on tv that ive thought is credible and has a clue.
Surprised at all the critisicism here!

Im sorry but victoria stillwell makes me cringe! she is a total nitwit. And I remember being furious in the episode of that stupid programme i"its me or the dog" when she recommended the cocker spaniel be put to sleep as it had bit one of the owners silly children!
YOu could tell from just the clips on this dog that the dog was stressed no doubt with these meddling kids crawling all over the dogs and putting their hands in his feed bowl!! I would have bit them too!!  Poor little dog

ANd dog borstal! how daft is that!!

> "Daddy" is not Cesars dog!!! It is a rock stars dog, who enlisted the help of Cesar to iron out some behaviour problems, "Daddy" is left with Cesar while the rock star is touring.

not anymore he is with CM fulltime, but the ownership is still the Rock Star, they were friends before the aforesaid RS bought Daddy

>I think Cesar Milan is great, he's the only dog trainer ive seen on tv that ive thought is credible and has a clue.

having seen some of his videos on YouTube where he throttles dogs into unconsciousness, I wouldn't let him near a dead stick insect.

>Ohh I got that wrong!!!! according to his website Daddy was Cesars from 4 months old, different to what his book says ?????

LOLOL His ghost writers obviously messed up the story !!

having seen some of his videos on YouTube where he throttles dogs into unconsciousness, I wouldn't let him near a dead stick insect.

Love it JG, quote of the week! :) :)

The simple fact is, he doesn't actually know anything about dogs.