Hello, Im really hoping that someone will be able to help me. Im sure that many people have encountered the same problem.

We recently purchased a doberman puppy from a Mrs X in Bedfordshire Xmas time. We paid £500 for the puppy and in return she was meant to forward us the Kennel Club papers in a couple of weeks after xmas. She told us she was an established breeder of coloured dobermans and had been doing it for years. We have tried and tried to contact the breeder but ususally theres no answer and the answerphone machine is full (probably with people like us in same situation). only twice ive spoken to the breeder since Dec and she promised to send the papers and said other people like us were also waiting for theirs. Since then she hasnt answered the phone at all to us. Thats all we want is the papers, can you help us at all?
Im am hoping that SOMEONE will be able to help us or point us in the right direction - we dont even know the date of birth of the dog and therefore cant even insure it. i asked her and she told me that id get all the info in the post. ive explained to her and ive written her several letters to say we need all the info  as we also have another doberman in our house. Im sincerely hoping that you can help us. i look forward to hearing from you. many thanks

I would contact the the Kennel Club with the details you have of the breeder and the date you collected the puppy and his age at the date you collected him, they maybe able to help you.
I would also contact the Dobe breed club, they may know of the the breeder and give you information on how to contact her etc:
I hope you can sort things out xx

We had this problem with one of our dogs.  We eventually waited over 12 months and when they finally arrived they had put restrictions on which they had told us they weren't doing.  As it happens it didn't matter to us as he is a pet.  The kennel club just kept telling us to keep contacting the breeders.

How can people be like that. We had no papers for my dog she just needed a loving home and i didnt want to breed her anyway.  but you can still go ahead and insure her we did i just guessed the approx age of her and had no problems at all. good luck to you receiving the papers,

When I was having the same problem I contacted the kennel club and they said they could do nothing about it. They adviced me to contact trading standards. I mentioned this to the breeder and the papers were in the post the same day.

I was disapointed by the lack of help from the kennel club though

Wendy

The thing is the Kennel club cannot make a breeder hand over papers if indeed they exist.

On the other hand if the pup was advertised as KC registered then trading standards can do something.

I am a little worried about the description of coloured Doberman breeder, as in the UK no breeder deliberately breeds anything but black or brown Dobermans. 

Blues occasionally crop up, but breeders actively avoid producing them if they can, and certainly Fawns(isabella) would be very rare in a responsible breeding.

As for whites they are a pollutant to the health of the breed and avoided at all costs,a nd any descending from such are identified by the KC and American Kennel club so they can be avoided in breeding programs.

The reason for this apparent colour prejudice is health, especially with the albino/whites.

The blues and Fawns have problems with their coats and skin.

That's terrible! It does sound a bit iffy though as £500 for a dobe is very cheap.

What were the premises like do they have an affix? Where did you pick the pup up from? You say coloured Dobermanns, can you enlighten us as to how this was explained to you and did you see the parents and the kennels? Were you bored to death as she explained the breeding, because she should of flattened you with it if she is a serious breeder of worth and not a backyard breeder?
How much research did you do into the breed and the breeders out there? Was she recomended to you? Could you visit the house again?
It's a lot of questions I know, but it's a case of give us a clue.

I do hope this turns out well for you though and you have a wonderful pup, regardless of the papers.

There is a kc registered breeder who advertises on this site, she states that she breeds the 5 different colours of dobes & min pins. She takes great pride in the fact that she's the only breeder outside of the USA to do so! Am i allowed to put the link on here? Somebody i know went & bought a min pin from her & waited ages before receiving the paperwork although she was given an extensive puppy pack. This lady was in Northamptonshire & between family members have at least 3 affixes, all the dogs of various breeds were on the premises & i was shocked at the amount of breeds & x breeds that were there. BH

We eventually waited over 12 months and when they finally arrived they had put restrictions on which they had told us they weren't doing. Many Reputable breeders will issue a contract when you collect your pup and should go over it with you and clarify any issues you may have.Many breeders will have endorsements to help prevent breeding ie you will be unable to register progency,export etc.This helps to ensure good breed lines.Breeders will lift these restrictions when they are happy with your choice of stud/bitch ie health checks are completed. Its a shame that people won't pay the twelve pounds to register the litter .

In Response to barely hairy

I don't think such a breeder would be in anything but poor standign with their breeds breed clubs, but theya re not doing anything ilegal, but unwise.

There are only four colours allwed within the dobe standard,
Colour
Definite black, brown, blue or fawn (Isabella) only, with rust red markings. Markings to be sharply defined, appearing above each eye, on muzzle, throat and forechest, on all legs and feet and below tail. White markings of any kind highly undesirable.

and the min pin one only allows for Black, choc or blue and tan and solid reds.

Colour
Black, blue, chocolate with sharply defined tan markings on cheeks, lips, lower jaw, throat, twin spots above eyes and chest, lower half of forelegs, inside of hindlegs and vent region, lower portion of hocks and feet. All above colours have black pencilling on toes without thumb marks except chocolates which have brown pencilling. Solid red of various shades. Slight white on chest permissible but undesirable.

When I registered and endorsed my litter I was told that I had to make buyers aware of the endorsements prior to purchase and get them to sign a contract (which includes condtions under which I would lift the endorsements) to say they understood them. If I didn't do this then the KC would lift the endorsement at the buyers request and I would have no say in the matter. So surely this applies in this case?
Angela

In response to cornishmals.
We were infact told that the litter was being sold without restrictions, we asked this because the dog we picked has black markings which we were told were 'a throw back' and would moult out, which they didn't.  We were also told that if they didn't the price would be reduced by £50.  As we were not planing to breed with him or show him none of this, even the restriction would not have bothered us if they had been honest with us.  However 12 months later the papers came with an unable to register progency and we never got a refund. 

Sorry I was just generalising about honest breeders who are there not only to nuture and protect the future of their breed but to offer 100%support to owners of theie dogs for as long as it is required.You were sadly mislead by the breeder.Presumabaly you didn't have a contract.However it sounds like you have a lovely pet which is the important thing.

Hi there, I have been in contact with the Kennel Club regarding papers not being sent from breeder.  Basically they tell you to go to the citizens advice.  As the other member said, they do not regulate the handing over of kc papers.

Anworth is right.  I had pups leave last weekend, and I went through the endorsements with the new owners.  They don't leave with a pup until it's signed, I just want it in black and white, should the Kennel Club ever need proof that I've adhered to their rules.  I also put a copy in the puppy pack, just so they know exactly what it is they have signed.  And I am always very careful to tell them about any conditions needed before I would lift restrictions.

I think a phone call to Trading Standards is in order. They will help you on what to do next. By rights you have bought a Kennel Club registered dog, (I presume advertised as one), and have therefore (without papers) been missold the puppy. I think they will tell you to write to the breeder explaining that you have been missold the puppy and tell her that she has 14 (I think) days to respond with all the relevant paperwork. After that they will take it from there. Unfortunately a puppy is sold as goods and therefore comes under the Sale of Goods Act (horrid isn't it). Good luck.

> Unfortunately a puppy is sold as goods and therefore comes under the Sale of Goods Act (horrid isn't it). Good luck.

For people who have been cheated in this way it is fortunate that the Sale of Goods Act applies.

Dishonest so called breeders count on the fact that people will be attached to their pups within days so not do anything about it.

Also remember that Trading Standards have close links to Enviromental Health (the Dept in charge of Licensing breeders), and between them they may well know of previous problems wiht the breeder, the threat of Enviormental Health and Licensing may be enough to bestir them into action!

as we are talking about K.C. I have been trying for days to ring them. anyone got any ideas? no one answeres by the way. Its the G.C.D.S. number I want but have tried main as well

tadog e-mail, they reply extremely quickly usually the same day. :-) I've been astonished at how quickly they will reply, and always very helpful. :-)

Knowing full well that I have received papers within 3 days from the KC I would say that you have been duped, there is never really a good reason why papers are not ready at the time of collection, I seriously would not expect to get any.

As suggested report, report, report, it has been long enough and you have given the breeder ample time to come up with an excuse or the said papers, which they haven't even bothered to do.

I would think that the Dam and Sire were not registered hence no puppy registration. The KC will be of no help it is out of their hands, the trading standards will.

Let us know the outcome. :-)