Hi i have a draft of a stud contract, please can i have some advice on what i have allready written and if there is anything i could add. Thanks Louise

STUD CONTRACT

I .....................................
Registered owner/s of Bitch ............
KC name & Number .....................................      
Agree that if no litter* is resulted from the mating between the dog Mason (Red Vixen) and aforementioned bitch (confirmation of no pregnancy written and signed by a certified veterinarian), mating on (....../....../......) and (....../....../......) a return free mating on next season or refund of the fee paid (£...........cash). Refund will be given after the expected due date, it is possible that a veterinary inspection confirming no pregnancy could be a mistake. If a litter is produced the pup/s will be checked by the vet before they leave which will not be before 8 weeks of age, all potential homes will be vetted and deemed suitable, knowledgeable, loving homes. It is suggested to you that you sell your puppies with endorsements for progeny not to be registered and not for export. This will protect the puppies from unsuitable homes and put off many undesirables. Endorsements can be lifted at correct age 12months for dogs/ 2 years bitches and if the dogs have become of suitable standard/health to be bred from (you will need a signed, written contract with the new owners stating fully the terms of endorsements'). Also a diet and breed information pack is sold with each puppy as well as 6 weeks insurance from kennel club or other like insurance companies.
I could find some suitable homes for the pup/s, if and when needed, if any are sold on my behalf I will require commission of £100. I would prefer this in the form of a non-refundable deposit from the new owners. This can be discussed at the time and terms agreed.
I am always available for advice regarding rearing of puppies and the breed in general, prospective owners can contact me in regards to the sire and can come to visit and see him anytime.
*A litter constitutes any number of puppies, including a singleton pup, any of which born alive or dead. Possible discount on next mating on occurrence of the latter, if not as a result of the dam.
Name (Block Letters).................................Signature ......................date
Name (Block Letters).................................Signature.......................date
Stud Owner. Miss L Hay. Signature...................................................date

£100 commission for pups sold on your behalf I thought the whole idea was to pass on the details of any breeders who have used your dog to prospective new owners - not charge for the information !!

It is difficult to find suitable, knowledgable homes for my breed and a well known and respected breeder i used charged me commission when she sold pups on my behalf also twice the price

It's very hard to find the right homes for my breed as well as they can NOT go as pure pets, but I wouldn't dream of asking for commission. I'd hate to think good homes were lost if the bitch owner would rather save the money than ask for help to find buyers.........

I regularly help other breeders home their pups and they do e same for me, we as breeders network and help to match up people and available puppies. 

Most breed clubs have a puppy list, ours does not charge.  Again I know at the moment three dog pups over 13 weeks that haven't homes yet because the last litters in the breed happened to all be mainly males.

I had 9 pretty firm bookings for pups hoped for early this month and my bitch missed, I passed all the enquiries on to other breeders, just one still wants to wait for this particular combination and is waiting for me to try again, so will need to  rebuild my waiting list again.

A stud owner wanting commission for passing on puppy enquiries?? Blimey!

Is this something that is common among breeders of your breed Louise do you know ? As you can see from the replys so far it isnt common within other breeds.

I could find some suitable homes for the pup/s, if and when needed, if any are sold on my behalf I will require commission of £100.

excuse me?

could find some suitable homes for the pup/s, if and when needed, if any are sold on my behalf I will require commission of £100.
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Please restrain me ...

I am beginning to think you are on another planet :-)

Right let me get this right.  PLEASE PLEASE correct me if I am wrong :-)

Your dog is unshown is that right?

He hasn't been hip scored? 

An unshown dog that has not been scored will never get enquires from reputable breeders , the only enquiry you will get is a pet person looking to have a pet litter.   If the breed is hard to sell why in Gods name would you encourage pet people to breed from their pets?

Come on?  Sorry but this must be a joke?? it is isn't it ???

You know I almost daily get enquires for pups, I never have any avaliable BUT as a breed enthusiast I don t mind helping direct an enquirer to a good breeder to help them and protect my breed.

I am sorry but I would get banned to repeat how I feel about this.

The best thing is and I hope people havent' over looked it , is the cockiness to think it is OK to do such a thing. 

I would think it to be part of the responsibility of standing your dog at stud that you help find homes for the ensuing pups.   At least - I always have.......

Jo

Well, I thought I had seen most things, but this is new to me!  We must have been doing it wrong all these years!
We would be rich now if we got commission for every puppy enquiry we pass on to other breeders!  I cannot
believe this is actually going on. 

Karen

I just said to my husband I think there is nothing going to suprise me again on her AND then come along another one.

The OP obviously doesn't know or understand the laws of being an agent.  Legally that is why you become when you do something like this.

LouiseDDB

This is very silly.
You're not an experienced breeder, you are fairly new to dog breeding (and have not had the best start.) The chances of you being able to find the right homes for your breed are fairly slim.
Setting out a contract that is not worth the paper it's written on and implying that you can enforce it- or even fulfil it is rather naive.

When a person uses a stud dog and pays over their money, the litter is their property and you have no rights. You do, however, have a moral resposibility to avoid bringing puppies into this world that end up in the wrong hands. This is not done by getting commision but by refusing owners who cant provide suitable homes for their pups.

He has been scored after the grief i had last time i got them done asap but yes he is unshown as i simply do not have the time. The few people i know in the breed (few because it its a rare breed therefore breeders are few and far between) do this when they stud there dog out to help the pups go to good homes buy taking the deposit from the new owners when they have chosen the pup often they have a waiting list for pups from there own litters like i did. It was just an idea like i said it was a 'draft' and i wanted peoples ideas. What is a hundred pound to ensure a well vetted, knowledgable loving home.

like i said an idea.....

Well my breed is even rarer than yours and I am totally happy to pass puppy enquiries onto other people and would never, ever ask for commission!  Actually most people in our breed do this, pass details of interested people around to each other.

THough there again nothing much impresses me regarding the DDB, you can just look on this site (not getting at this site, just an observation on the numbers of DDB being bred and sold) under the breeders and pups etc, and I think that there are more people with this breed than many of the well known breeds, which I am sorry to say I find quite shocking.

As you said, Louise, an idea!

But I think you will have gathered by now - not a good idea!    Personally, if I were presented with a stud contract like that, I would not use the stud dog.....it would leave a nasty taste in the mouth!

Margot

>people i know in the breed (few because it its a rare breed therefore breeders are few and far between)

Rare Breed?  There were more than twice as many DDBs registered in 2007 as my breed (Newfoundland) and DDBs had the 3rd highest number of registrations in the Working Group (behind Boxers and Rottweilers).  I wouldn't call that rare!

oh i am very sorry, but the amount if people that have never heard of them and ask me out on walks and considering they have just come off the import and rarities register. Maybe not rare but uncommon to the joe public, ill get my thesaurus out next time. It was a suggestion and i have opinions now so i shant include that in my contract.

Thanks for everybodies views, well taken aboard

(few because it its a rare breed therefore breeders are few and far between)

dont mean to be funny but i dont think that they are as "rare" as you say, ive seen lots of adverts for that breed, pups and adult dogs over the past couple of yrs

Actually most people in our breed do this, pass details of interested people around to each other.

i do this aswell

I would never charge a commission for passing on peoples names and phone nos, gosh if I had I would be rich by now !!!!!  I prefer word of mouth if someone reputable has a litter than them buying from puppy farms.

Another item I would not refund the stud fee either, they get a repeat mating the next time their btch comes into season.  I don't do stud contracts as such, but I give details of mating and when pups should be due and if they wish to contact me at anytime I will be there to help with the birth if they are not experienced.

This is all just my opinion.

well maybe not, but as with many less popular breeds they suddenly become popular and everyone wants them often for bad reasons, they are becoming a fashion dog like many others have in the past. But i have been in the breed for 6 years and dont consider myself to be one of these people. I chose the breed for its characteristics as well as looks not for status like many of them are now. As with any breeds that are considered expensive they are being exploited therefore the ads in papers etc we have all seen it before

hi marguerite, you say you dont refund? what do you do if the bitch doesnt catch nextime. Just wondering because he is proven and has the good so they are getting in theory what would produce a litter, even if she isnt a maiden bitch and she has had a litter in the past??

Thanks

the stud fee is for the dogs service, not for the production of puppies

Ok yes it is isnt it, so i shouldnt refund then?

i like the breed too i think they are great, but i would never buy into a breed of dog that has serious health problems as all i would be doing if i bred would be contributing to the ill dogs that are out there

i wouldnt refund, id offer a mating for free next time

it doesnt have serious health problems, not any greater than any other large breeds anyway. if you buy carefully your still not gaurenteed but thats the same with all dogs

in my book hip dysplasia is a serious health problem

well then all large breeds inc shepard n labs are out of your book then, but i see your a fan of smaller ones so it doesnt matter for you :P

> they have just come off the import and rarities register

The fact that they are only just achieving KC full recognition does not mean they are rare.  Border Collies and Parson type Russell terriers were well established and not rare when recognised.

As has been said the numbers registered (there are plenty of unregistered pups advertised in my local free adds) in 2006 was 2,361 and 2007 2,543, that is more than the number of Doberman registered last year.

To put it in perspective the DDB registrations are 4 times that of St Bernards, Twice that of our own Bullmastiff, Substantially greater then Great Danes or Siberian Huskys.

My own breed has been in this country since the 1870's and has had a Breed Club in the UK since 1923 and hardly anyone ever knows what they are.  The most registrations in any year have been short of 400 pups, and last two years less than a 100.  Last years DDB registrations would be the equivalent to my own breed bred in the last 15 - 20 years!

hayley123 as the Border Terrier seem to not have had any dogs hipscored how do you kow that your breed has no problems with this?  I'm sorry but I think to many breeds think that there is no problem and seeing as they have never been tested how can they say this?  In America even many of the small breeds have severe HD!

DOn't forget I'm sure that DDB stud fees are a lot higher than the common breeds ie. the price of a pup where many of the commoner (is that a word?) breeds only charge between £100 and £200!  £1,000.00 would be a lot of money to lose if a bitch didn't take twice wouldn't it?

I know in Europe and something that we've started in our breed many of us ask for a £75 non-refundable fee and then the rest when the dog is proven pregnant or has had the pups, with no signed paperwork until all monies have been received.

are there actually any breeds of dog without health problems? obviously health problems they that are specifically predisposed to because of genetics etc etc

>Maybe not rare but uncommon to the joe public,

Oh come on! Where have you been? DDB hit the bigtime with the release of 'Turner and Hooch', way back in 1989!

i think 1000 is a an extreme amount and i charge less than half that amount, but to those that charge that good to them but its alot of money and i think that if they charge that then maybe a refund may be in order after two matings and no pups, maybe the pair just are not compatable. but the bitch owner hasnt only lost 1000 but a year of the bitches breeding life, and they could possibly have wanted a pup and to lose that much, i know it would take me quite a while to save up that amount and i wouldnt be able to save up a similar amount for quite a while afterwords unless i want to eat pasta for a year.

Has your dog sired a litter yet?

being 12 months old when that film came out i think i may have been other wise engaged

yes he has he is a proven daddy

>being 12 months old when that film came out i think i may have been other wise engaged

Most of 'Joe Public' was well into adulthood by then, and the demand for the breed rocketed. As always happens, unscrupulous breeders jumped onto the bandwagon to make a quick buck while the fad lasted.

they are not that common i very rarely see others out on walks, if i do i know them, i have lived in lincolnshire for 2 years and have seen 2 others than my own. I didnt even know about turner and hooch until after i got into the breed.

border terriers are hip scored in america surely if people in this country where haing problems with what they they thought to be hip dysplasia then breed clubs etc would introduce hip scoring as part of a must?

the stud fee used to be the price of what a puppy would fetch and lots of people still charge that

the highest i have seen is 1000 which happens to be a stud i like typical, but price of a good pup 1000-1500 i havent seen one so expensive.

To be honest, unless your dog is a champion and/or has sired pups that have also been successful, there's no way a fee of more than half a pup is justified.

nope i agree, i think what i charge is reasonable, he is a good example of the breed no i havent taken him to shows but hes a nice dog, he has good proven show lines and the best temperament ever.

i think 1000 is a an extreme amount and i charge less than half that amount

That to me rings alarm bells! To read that you charge substantially less than the average says to me you are aiming soley for the pet market... if you were in our breed your dog certainly wouldn't be getting used on quality bitches.. and isnt that the whole point to improve on the standard!!
And our breed has less registrations than yours! and we had a major rise last year in registrations!

he is a good example of the breed no i havent taken him to shows but hes a nice dog,

How do you know hes a good example of the breed? i thought our old girl was stunning, i look back now and think thank god i didnt breed from her experience comes hand in hand with knowledge and quite frankly i don't think you have either..

if you would have read perrodgeuas sp sorry post:

DOn't forget I'm sure that DDB stud fees are a lot higher than the common breeds ie. the price of a pup where many of the commoner (is that a word?) breeds only charge between £100 and £200!  £1,000.00 would be a lot of money to lose if a bitch didn't take twice wouldn't it?

I know in Europe and something that we've started in our breed many of us ask for a £75 non-refundable fee and then the rest when the dog is proven pregnant or has had the pups, with no signed paperwork until all monies have been received.

The average isnt 1000 that was the high end a champion dog, what i charge is around avergage 400-600!!