Just seen a well know site for selling puppies ( being nosey as usual ) and i have seen three top kennels in my breed advertising their puppies on there for sale.
Has anyone else found this in their breeds?

Peanuts

They like I may believe that it is best for good breeders to advertise in all the places people look as an antidote to the usual BYB and puppy farming adverts. after all if people can't find a well bred puppy they will end up with the other kind.

Of course vetting from adverts placed in such venues can be interesting, but you do find some perfectly nice owners, who simply didn't know where else to look.

Yes, I have, to be honest it doesn't bother me, if a breeder for whatever reason should have no-one suitable on a waiting list, (extra pups) someone dropping out, a pup returned and no-one wanting it in the show or working world, then as long as people are still properly vetted why not?

I can remember a poster, (sorry don't recall who) stating in a debate about this once that if we all complain so much about the free ads and the BYB's and puppyfarmers on there, why don't we also advertise with our credentials, health tests stated, KC status stated etc, to show people what a good breeder and a bad breeder looks like, as the KC will not advertise to help Joe Public know the difference so it is up to us to educate.

I thought that made a lot of sense, if the public don't know how to come to us, then we must go to them. Haven't had a pup to advertise myself on a free ads site, so I am preaching without practice, but I don't have a problem in others doing so, in the long run it may well help. :-)

That was me I think :D

It was just that i have never seen these breeders advertise puppys anywhere before , even in our breed magazine their are never puppies for sale or advertised'

Peanuts

I know that several very reputable breeders advertise in the most unlikely places when they haven't got any puppies to sell, purely so that they can pass any enquiries on to the breed club. That way the puppy farmers are denied a possible sale. ;)

I just viewed my breed on "that site". It was quite scary -everyone who knows anything about me can go and check because you will know the breed. One of the photos in particular. This is doing our breed a lot of harm I dare say. The litter advertised clearly shows one pup who cannot even be purebred. Yes, we could do with some REAL breeders amongst that lot.....

This is doing our breed a lot of harm I dare say

Quite agree Marianne..... same with ours.......

Gabrielle

I've seen a famous exhibitor advertising on that site, one might say he is THE most successful this week.His kennel breeds and keep several breeds of dog and I would think that it was unlikely that he could rely on keeping a waiting list to satisfy the numbers he produces. I would say that he was charging much more for his puppies than any other on there so I don't know if that would address the balance with the P farmers.
To many people looking for a pet, a dog is a dog is a dog.

Hi tooolz, from your description of the exhibitor, I am 100% sure I know who you are talking about. As does probably everyone involved in showing.

I have bought puppies of his main breed, from this man, and in my experience his prices are not above the norm. In fact, of the 4 dogs I've got from him, I paid £500 for the first one, I was given the second one as a gift, I paid £300 for a breeding terms bitch 2 years later and then was given a second bitch again for free the year after that. So he hardly made a fortune out of me.

On the subject of his waiting list, his reputation for success in the showring means that in fact his waiting list is very healthy, people are falling over themselves to have this mans stock in their kennels and on their sofas. I will not allow anyone to slag him off without leaping to his defence, this is a very very generous man.

Dawn R.

If it is who I think it is he is not only successful, but very knowledgable & generous. I don't envy his success & I do wish that he was involved in one of my breeds as he would be in the forefront of healthier dogs. He even bred at least one litter of one of my breeds & did not go down the route many people would have thought, but bred to the correct type & health tested dog

If he is on there then better him than the  puppy farmers & BYBs

I have an entry on the site,BTW, & I don't even have any puppies or a stud dog, but the calls I have had I have referred onto good breeders who breed for improving the breed & not just for profit

If it is the site I am thinking of I ahve a breeder listing (though haven't ever advertised a litter with them) on their site, as I have on most dog sites I come across, as do other reputable breeders in my breed.

I actually don't know why "top breeders" would need to advertise on such a site if it's the one that I'm thinking of. 

So that they can steer potential owners away from BYBs and puppy farmers towards reputable breeders, and give advice about what what to look for, perhaps?

I must be a bit thick, as I don't know which site people are talking about.

I do agree with good, reputable, well known breeders of good quality dogs advertising in this way though. Once people have seen how different the ads probably are and spokent o the 'proper' breeders versus the bad ones, I'm sure it won't be hard for the good ones ot make their decision. Sadly, there will always be the few to whom the cost of the puppy is the most important factor, but I am also sure these are mostly the sort of people good breeders wouldn't sell pups to anyway.

Yep, people need the chance of an alternative to the BYB and puppy farmer.  Why do you think they advertise there, because they can find ready sales for their poorly bred pups.

The Glen litter in the mail was being commented on by my local radio, and guess what the presenter said 'must go on E***z to see what they have got'. 

Hi Peanuts,

Judging by your picture we have the same breed and yes i have found that there are lots of current litters for sale ( even on the kennel club puppy sales list ) but it does make me wonder if people who what a newf should really buy one from the internet, as they might not be aware of just what is involed with owing such a big, hairy, slobbery, etc dog and wither they are the type of people that really should.

carrington, i totally agree with you, as long as you vet people properly who cares where you advertise? theres never a guarentee that you can home pups to a waiting list (we had someone drop off of ours and you never know if your going to have a big litter)

thats the thing, especially with big breeds, if they have a big big litter your waiting list might not be that long. a toy breed with 2 pups to a litter fills a list pretty well but with (in this case newfs i think? sorry peanuts pics unclear) if you get a litter of 13 or something (not unheard of) does everyone have a waiting list that long?

and yes, its competition for those unscrupulous breeders out there...

I have found a lot of people do research on the web now, so they need to be able to access the right sort of info and reputable breeders, as the other kind are way ahead of us.

I do find a lot of first contact is via email these days after finding details on-line.

it's cause the internet is easy and cost effective. calling breed clubcs during business hours can be seen as a 'hassel' where as googles in most people shouses most of the time now. certain level of laziness involved... (though i'm guilty myself)

I think its a good thing top breeders or even knowledgable caring breeders advertise on these sites that way the general public have a choice in the matter.
People who want a pet don't always know where to find one, they don't know about Dogs World, Our Dogs or even have a clue that the KC will have a list of breeders, majority of them wouldn't even know about the top breeders.
Breeders should advertise their stock, even if it only helps to educate the public on what the breed is & what the breed should be, it goes a long long way to helping combat the puppy farms. A person who has came across a good breeder & seen the quality of dog & how much effort that breeder has put in to their dogs is going to be less likely to just buy any pup from anyone.

Nursey
I would say that he was charging much more for his puppies than any other on there so I don't know if that would address the balance with the P farmers.
Is the only thing I can possibly think I've said that would lead you to think that warrants the reply
-I will not allow anyone to slag him off without leaping to his defence-

I was just making an observation that if his pups were £700 in this instance where most others were £350-500  how  would this encourage pet buyers to not buy from BYB.

I most certainly was not 'slagging him off' for his prices since that is roughly what I charge.

Do they have an information bit rather than an advertisement bit then?  That would be more useful to those of us who in reality don't need to advertise but would like to offer information.

Sadly a lot of these advertising sites won't let you do that, it ahs to be a proper advert, or just a breeder listing.

I tried to do an info advert with my local freeads paper web based section, but they refused to carry it.

I know of a few breeders that have advertised stock in Free ads papers when they have had mor epups than their waiting list. They are all well known within the breed, and their breeding stock have good show records. They always charge the 'going rate' for their pups, so more then the puppy farmers, and get plenty of enquiries. I know my girls breeder has done this, (I rang her this morning to discuss!) and she said a few people who have found her this way have already been to see cheaper pups, but weren't happy with how they are kept/bred, so were happy to pay the extra (sometimes double) once they had seen her pups/dogs. So people do know the diference in some cases. She also said she gets far more enquiries than she has pups, so explains to these people what to look for (Hip scores etc) and directs them to the breed club puppy co-ordinator, explaining ot them that if they source a puppy this way, it will be properly bred and in line with the breed club code of ethics etc.

I have used one of these sites when I had spare pups (was expecting 6 from scan and she had 12!) It was an interesting experience and I sold one of my pups to a fantastic family from it ( they even moved house because they though existing one not big enough for the dog!) So you can get some good homes from the site, I also got to talk to a lot of people about my breed. This led to some going for the smaller variety and some changing the breed completely because i hopefully had persuaded them it was not the breed for them.
I think good breeders need to go on to be seen and also make people aware of the health tests/temparament which otherwise may never be mentioned.

I agree with mud mops, the more 'good' breeders get out there on these kind of sites and advertise what people should be really looking for in a particular breeder and breed of dog, the less scrupulous breeders and puppy farmers have a forum to sell their dogs without any competition and without joe public being educated!!

From the other perspective - I was one of those people that learnt from the site!!!!
We knew we wanted a dog and had decided which breed was suitable for us but had no clue where to start looking so off on the internet we went.  After several weeks of looking at ads and contacting people we learnt there was a big difference between BYB and those breeding for the good of the breed (if you know what I mean!). 
We ended up getting a fab pup from reputable breeders for the same, maybe less, than charged by most of the PF/BYB (will say though he was less as he is a non standard colour).  The litter (standard colours) were IMO reasonably priced and were from a well thought out mating with of course all the essential health tests performed.  He was chosen purely as a pet and he just seemed to be the one for us - nothing to do with price as we didn't know he was cheaper when we picked him. 
I did know about the health tests that one should look for in this breed but others won't and so by seeing breeders advertise this fact I'd imagine it would prompt people to investigate further and hopefully sway their decision towards the reputable breeders that breed for health/good of the breed/temprament before money. 
I think good breeders need to be seen on this site as I learnt a good few things about looking for a puppy from such people and I'm sure this could help point 'novices', such as myself, in the right direction.
Of course there will still be buyers that consider price and only price and I think it will be near impossible to stop the 'bad' breeders beecause of this fact. :-(

Hi Toolz (and thanks for jumping in Dawn, great response) I don't know you, but am one of the partners of the person you are discussing.  We advertise on this site (CD) (and on several others, and in Magazines too) so that we can select the best homes for our pups.   Just because someone comes from an ad on this site, the KC site,  one of the weekly or  even Monthly dog papers, that is no assurance they are going to be an ideal puppy purchaser, as is the fact that someone is looking on  on one of the web based free sites an indicaiton that they are less worthy of a quality pup!  We reject quite a few people who contact us to book a pup.  We do have very long waiting lists, but as with buying lots of things, people can get impatient and wander off elsewhere.  By keeping the profile up "across the board" so to speak we not only "cherry pick" the best ones for our own pups, but get to educate the wider puppy buying public about our breeds, and even if they don't buy from us, can steer them along the right path concerning health tests, suitability for the breed, etc. etc.  From the price quoted of £700 I guess you must be talking about one of our American Cockers, and can assure you that this is far from top end price for the breed, lots of breeders are charging more than this, but I don't feel we have to justify our pricing to them or on here!  I have seen pups advertised on some internet sites, and in free ad papers for a lot less, and looking at many of the pics can see why!!! (sorry, that is just being bitchy) and there are lots of Yankee crosses advertised at about that price too.  I look at it this way, people will look at those ads, then at ours, and the sensible ones will want to know why the price difference, so will phone, that way at least we can tell them what not to buy!
bye
Gwen

I also have one of his dogs.
Now I rehomed him at the age of 2, and he is a most wonderful dog. The only reason why I was allowed to have him was because Gwen had got to know me.
@Before I got him I made enquiries and got told, across the board, he Breeds for TEMPREMENT first and foremost and everything else after that!!!
And that is true. He cares about his breed, and doesnt sell to anyone.(Beano was nearly swiped from me that was so jealous I was able to have one of his dogs!!!)
I will say I am sure most people that advertise on that site dont care, but if breeders that care do advertise, maybe for the likes of me 7 years ago before coming on here, thinking about getting a dog from anyone, will be taught about good breeding habits, and learn what they should look for!!!
Sorry for rambling!!
Lea :)