hi, i bought a puppy 2 weeks ago and was told by the breeder that he would send the kc papers as soon as he gets them. i just emailed him to ask if he has sent them and he replied that he won't send off for the papers until all the pups in the litter are sold. so basically i have to wait X amount of weeks before i get my pups kc papers as he hasn't even applied to the kennel club for them!! is that standard practice? i always presumed the breeder would of sent off for the papers well before the pups were sold?!:rolleyes:

not as far as i'm aware...we waited a couple of weeks after the pups were born then applied for their papers. each puppies pack contained full papers, a copy of the contract, a copy of the pedigree, feeding sheet etc all the dogs we've ever bought have had their papers with them.

Seems dodgy to me - when we got our puppies, we picked them at about 5 weeks and the breeder was preparing to send off for registration paper, and they had arrived and were ready to go with the puppies. I already have the papers for my 5 week puppies to go with their new owners.

i sent off papers soon after birth so new ownes had all documents with them at 8 weeks, perhaps he is worried he wont sell them all?

doesn't sound right to me I have always got the papers when I got the pup, then sent them back of to be registered in my name, would investigate it a bit more if it was me

Seems very dodgy to me!  Now my pups aren't registered when they go to their new homes as I can't afford the £800 - £1,000 stud fee.  Very rarely breed and last litter was over 2 years ago.  All my puppy owners get a contract which says that pups will be registered in the next few days and registrations sent back to them straight away, so within effect, they are registered, papers sent onto their new owners within a 2 week timescale. 

Now with the Pom's it's totally different.  To use a champion we've paid only £150 for the stud fee, so pups are registered and sold with papers, but there again with this breed we don't let them go until they are 12 weeks.

Unfortunately with what you are saying about this breeder I would be worried especially if he hasn't signed anything to say that KC papers will be sent to you.  Did you see any of the parents documents as I show my new puppy owners to be the parents paperwork and health tests etc.

No, not standard practise. I always send off my registration within the first week of puppies being born. The last litter I had I received the registrations back within a week so therefore all my puppies paperwork was in place at about 2-3 weeks old. The registration is only £12.00 a puppy so why does he need to hold back on registering them!! Very dodgy. I would keep on his back until he produces the documentation.

The kennel Club general code of ethics states. 

11.Owners will ensure that all relevant Kennel Club documents are provided to the new owner when selling or transferring a dog. The owner will agree, in writing, to forward any relevant documents at the earliest opportunity, if not immediately available.

i just bought a dog pup and wasnt given the papers as they hadnt arrived yet beacuse the KC were on their christmas holiday but i would like to have mine sent to me asap not when all the pups have sold. i only did this as id bought a pup from the breeder before

I had this problem with my whippets breeder and in the end had to threaten her with trading standards so I could get the papers. She kept saying they were in the post. I phoned the kennel club and they said it was not their problem and suggested trading standards.

My pup was ill when I got her and because of the delay in getting her papers I couldnt claim her vet bill on the 6 weeks free KC insurance. It comes in to effect the day you transfer the ownership not the day you brought the dog. by which time it was a exsisting condition.  This is something to look out for to.

Her reason was she had registered all the pups but the kc had made a muck up and they had to be sent back to be changed. I dont think I will fall for that one again.

Wendy

Actually that reason can be the case (both names conflict with someones kennel name or the KC staff spell it wrong and the papers to and fro), but then if I was the breeder I would have given you alternative Puppy Insurance cover not relied on the KC one, as there were no papers.

My pups are ready to go this weekend, and I do not have the k.c. regs back yet from the k.c. with them being on holiday, and I also had a poorly pup, (which died at 4wks old) so did not want to register early.

I have a letter all ready for the new owners stating " kennel club registration has been applied for and will be forwarded as soon as I receive them" and the letter is dated and signed by me.   This is legal and binding, so if for any reason I did not send on the documents they could sue me. Don't think I would like to have that happen and get a bad reputation.

thank you for all the advice.

what can trading standards do?

i emailed the breeder again lastnight to ask why he isn't applying for the KC papers until all the puppies are sold. funny enough he hasn't replied yet. what other reason can i give to him that i want the papers now apaprt from i just want them?

If the advert stated that the pups are KC registered then you should get the papers now, or a letter stating that papers will be sent as soon as they have arrived. If you bought the pup through word of mouth, and there wasn't an advert that can be traced for proof, then there isn't really much that you can do.

Now, you state that you have an email stating that the pups kc registration papers will be sent to you once registered so you have proof that he does intend to register them. I assume that you have paid a decent amount of money for the pup. I would think that he could be threatened with fraud. He has taken the money but hasn't produced all of the goods (ie paperwork) Give him a time limit to prove that he has registered the pups, then let him know that you intend to phone the kennel club to check registration, and if he doesn't do it by the date that you intend going to trading standards. Trading Standards will look into his dealings if he doesn't produce the goods.

thank you. i paid £550 for the pup, it said in the advert the pup was kc reg and i have copied and pasted the advert and saved it and kept all emails from him. i'll give him until teatime tonight to reply to my email and if he don't i will ring him tonight.

You could threaten to bring the pup back as you have not received what you have paid for and see what he says.

Sounds like a scam to me I am afraid. No reason at all based on the explaination he has given.

i could do that but i don't think he'd give me a refund. plus, i don't want to give up the puppy, she's such a lovely dog and my children have really taken to her. if it turns out she isn't kc reg i still want to keep her but i want him to give me at least some of my money back for his false advertising.

If it turns out that she isn't KC registered or that one or both parents aren't and therefore the puppy cannot be registered then definitely speak to Trading Standards. They will tell you what to write in a letter to the breeder giving him x amount of days to reply to you with refunded money (excess of what you would have paid for a non KC registered puppy)

>>>i always presumed the breeder would of sent off for the papers well before the pups were sold?! <<<

Most people do- you can register them online which is even quicker- thats what we did with our litter-
all paperwork was then available for the new owners when they came to collect pup

Not sure why the breeder wants to with hold registration til they are all sold?

I was late in registering my last litter, but only because my breed has to be black and white (or roan) not any other colour. The breed club would be very miffed if I registered a non-standard colour. It's against our COE. My bitch has litter mates that are tri-coloured. A definate no-no in my breed. As the colour doesn't show for a few weeks (litter mates showed the colour at 6 weeks, might have done before but we weren't looking ;) ) I waited until I was sure that they were all the right colour. There was only one puppy that went without paperwork as papers arrived the day after it went home, but they were given a letter that stated the papers were to follow, and stated the kc name it would have.

However, to say that the pups won't be registered until they are all sold is worrying.