I know this is kinda the same as other posts but this only happens when we go to bed. We have 2 st bernards the youngest 9 months and she is very well house trained through the day but nearly every morning we come down to a puddle we dont go to bed early she gets her last out around 11.30 then my husband is up at 6.30 am obviously we cant scold her then as we have no idea when she done it.

Help pls any suggestions greatly appreciated

Thanx Lorri

If you are sure there is no medical reason why she does this ie: water infection you would recognise this if she is peeing frequently little piddles throughout the day sometimes if they do it outside people dont recognise a problem plus  is she drinking excessively, then she may need to see the vet.

Otherwise it may be habit so I would set the clock for halfway through the night dont speak to her just to let her out to toilet then back to bed  she is still a baby so eventually she should grow out of it .

My Newf still needed to go out during the night on occasion until she was just over a year old.  We had her in the bedroom with us though so she could let us know when she needed out.  It wasn't every night but it would have been a few times a week.  Sounds disruptive but honestly it only took a few minutes; not even long enough to be properly awake.

I agree with Starryeyes about setting your alarm to get up and take her out.  You can set the alarm progressively later and she will gradually get to the stage where she can go right through the night.

do you leave water outside for the dogs? if you do i would put it somewhere out of reach of her so that when she goes out for her last pee at 11:30 she cant drink anymore and then she wont need to pee during the night

Hi Lorri

As you know, at 9 months, your St Bernard is still very much a baby.  Are you checking that she is actually performing when you let her out last thing?  It's pretty horrid out there at the moment, even more so at night, and she may just be rushing to get back inside again.  One of my RRs is a lazy little so and so and hates the cold and wet, and will try to come back in before doing anything if she can get away with it.

There is no need to restrict water and it certianly not something I would ever advise.  My dogs have access to water 24/7, including upstairs, and I often hear them getting a drink at night.  I know I wouldn't like to feel thirsty and not be able to have access to water and I assume they feel the same.

Giant breeds are still very much puppies at 9 months even if they don't look like it.  It is not abnormal for them to need to pee during the night at this age and is just part of the housetraining process.  Also, heavy coated breeds often feel warm (especially in centrally heated homes) even when we think it is freezing.  They need plenty of water to prevent dehydration and ensure healthy kidney function.

i wasnt refering to during the day i meant at 11:30 at night and then when they go back out in the morning give them more water she said her partner gets up at 6:30 so they could have water then. my dogs dont have water the last time i let them out which could be as late as 1:30 and then they get water when i get up and let them out. whats not fair is allowing your dog to drink at night then being absolutely bursting for a wee and then having to lie in their own pee all night

Surely resrtricting water is defeating the object of toilet training? The idea is that the pup can hold on through the night, not that it doesn't need to go? Assuming she is not being shut in a crate all night, so weeing in her bed, I don't see what is cruel about it? I would have thought withholding a drink cruel personally, and it might lead to urine infections.

I would just leave some newspaper by the back door, which she can use if she needs to go. As long as she gets the message she is supposed to go outside, she will go by the back door, and then when she can hold on, she will wait until you let her out.

Just try not to worry and give her time.

my dogs dont have water during the night and there is nothing wrong wtih them  my dogs wouldnt get liver or kidney problems as i feed tripe and barf which contain water or juice what ever you want to call it as well as having fresh water during the day just not night time some of the reason dogs do get liver or kidney propblems is because people feed dry food. people who feed dry food should soak the amount of food they give their dog a day and then they will see just how much water dry food takes out of a dogs system and its a fair bit i can tell you

Dogs should have access to fresh water at all times it is a basic requirement.  Slowing the kidney function down, which is essentially what you are doing, by withholding water overnight can indeed put the kidneys at risk. How long you get away with it is more down to luck than good management.
Feeding dry food is only a risk if fresh water is not available. It will not remove water from a dog other than in the production of gastric juices which will be produced to digest it,this happens with all foods. However it will add very little to the dogs normal intake.

Hayley, I perfectly understood that you meant to remove water at night.

My dogs are also raw fed and still obviously feel the need for a drink of water during the night on occasion.  They will frequently go and have a drink after they have come in from their last trip outside for a pee too as well as sometimes getting a drink in the middle of the night.  Have you never woken up feeling thirsty?  

The OPs issue is basically a housetraining one with her puppy.  Restricting access to water will not help with this.  And I would still never advocate removal of water for all the reasons stated.

Dogs need 60ml of liquid per kilo bodyweight daily - more in hot weather - for good health. Dogs which eat dried food will obviously need to drink more than those fed wet food of whatever type, but they all need to drink water and it should be freely available at all times - including the night. Limiting access to water can cause health problems, no matter what the dog is fed.

>Dogs need 60ml of liquid per kilo bodyweight daily - more in hot weather - for good health.

That's interesting JG...I didn't realise there was an actual recommended amount (before accounting for environmental factors).  My 2 50kg+ dogs therefore require at least 3 litres of water per day.  Sounds like a lot but as I guess they probably do get through that much or more as I seem to be constantly refreshing the 3 bowls that are down for them, plus whatever moisture they are getting from their food.

I find it's useful to have a rough idea of the quantities needed for maintenance, especially as Piglet needs to drink even more than most to keep his bladder flushed.

What I'm not certain about is whether the weight of the coat counts as part of the weight of the dog when doing the calculations. Obviously that doesn't really apply to mine, but it could be a significant amount for a Newf!

>What I'm not certain about is whether the weight of the coat counts as part of the weight of the dog when doing the calculations.

Aaah...hadn'tfactored in the weight of the coat.  Not sure how to go about calculating that short of shaving her and weighing what comes off her   Mind, i'm sure I could accumulate the equivalent amount of fur if I dug around the various nooks and crannies in the house where fur seems to gather but I convenintly don't see it (domestic goddess I am not) ;) :D

Definitely the wrong time of year (if there ever is a right time of year?) to shave a Newf! I wonder what it'd look like, though....

Oooh shaved Newfs look awful.  I've seen pictures of rescue cases which have been so badly matted that they have to be shaved to the skin :(  However, some people do clip them off in summer but don't get me started about that!

>some people do clip them off in summer

Really? Good grief! What's the point in getting a coated breed then?

>Really? Good grief! What's the point in getting a coated breed then?

I'm stillwaiting for a satisfactory answer to that question myself! :rolleyes:

> whats not fair is allowing your dog to drink at night then being absolutely bursting for a wee and then having to lie in their own pee all night.

Where was this suggested?  My suggestion was quite the opposite...that the pup should be allowed outside to relieve herself in the appropriate place.

out of all the people on here how many of you get up in the middle of the night to let your dog out for a pee?

If the dog asks to go out, I get up of course. Doesn't everyone?

yes but what about people who dont know if their dog wants to wee as their dog wont whinge or howl when it wants to go out. do they get up in the middle of the night to let their dog out for a pee?

In the case of puppies yes, unless I am happy to mop up and housetraining to take longer.  Afults, especially oldies will winge if they get taken short.

I agree totally with Jeangenie. My dog happily goes all nigth without needing to go out for a wee, but fi she did, of course I would get  up and let her out. Why wouldn't I? She is not really allowed upstairs, but I always leave the stairgate open at night, and she does know she can come and get me if she needs anything.

However, even if I didn't, as she has the run of the downstairs, she wouldn't be 'laying in her own wee' if I didn't.

Edited as I have seen your last post. My dog never whinges or howls. If she needs me for anything, she comes up and wakes me by laying her head on me, hence the stairgate getting left open.

laying in their own wee meant for people who crate their dogs at night

But surely, if you want to crate your dog at night, you have to accept you cannot do this until they are toilet trained, or will have to get up several times during the night to let them out until they can hold on all night? You wouldn't simply withhold water at night for your own convenience?

i dont actually take the water away its still there avaliable for them but they dont drink it i know this because i watch them in fact they dont actually drink alot of water all my puppy does it dig in the water bowl and get water every where. i suggested taking it away at night so she wouldnt pee in the night and they wouldnt come down to a puddle in the morning. when you toilet train a child you dont give them drink after a certain time at night so the dont wet the bed am i right or wrong? right because i know lots of people who do this

>when you toilet train a child you dont give them drink after a certain time at night so the dont wet the bed am i right or wrong?

Wrong. Ask Brainless - she's the one with the medical information about bedwetting and how withholding drinks can make matters worse.

Yet again completely right, Jeangenie. Lots of parents withhold drinks to help their child stay dry at night, but they are in fact doing the exact opposite of what is helpful. Just because people do it, it doesn't mean it is right. My stepson, aged 10, suffers from 'Primary Nocturnal Enureses' (night-time bedwetting) so I have done a lot of reasearch on the subject.

Also, hayley123, it seems like you are backtracking slightly, as if yuo don't watch your dogs all night, or come downt o them, how do you knwo they are not drinking? Also, you did say 'they get water again when they go out int he morning'. Why woudl they need to if they had free access to it all night, but didn't drink it?

People come here for advice, and although everyone has different opinions, it is important that any advice offered is sound and not potetnially harmful to the OP's dog in any way.

i know my dogs dont drink at night because they sleep in a crate at night so therefore seeing as they sleep on a crate how would they get water? and are then with me all day until bed time

So you don't use the water bowls that are specially designed to be used in crates? They're manufactured because they're an important part of the crating process.

no we dont. my partner got his 1st dog when he was 8 hes had dogs ever since then and hes now in his early forties and does all aspects of dog training if you want to know what aspects ill tell you and you cant tell him anything about dogs. also when he was younger he helped out and was taught stuff at at vets and all he took part in learning was about dogs

"i dont actually take the water away its still there avaliable for them but they dont drink it"   Poor dogs, must be torture to be thirsty, trapped in a cage looking at the bowl of water outside :rolleyes:

i dont keep bowls of water in the house for your information

>you cant tell him anything about dogs.

For heavens' sake - nobody ever knows all there is to know about a subject! :rolleyes: I've been living with dogs since 1960 and realise that a whole lifetime won't be enough.

'nobody ever knows all there is to know about a subject!'  really

Yes, really. Anyone who thinks they 'know it all' and there's nothing more to learn is terribly misguided.

right well thats how when i tell him someting ive read etc he tells me i already know

Then for the sake of dogdom he must write the definitive book on dog care (all breeds, of course) so that everybody only needs one, and not the hundreds that currently fill their shelves.

to be honest from the way you go on about what you know telling people theyre wrong youre right it seems you should be the one to write the book about everything you need to know about dogs ever! titled listen to me what i know is right

At least JG is going from her OWN experiences and OWN knowledge, not from someone elses.

hes my partner and evrything i know about dogs ive learnt from him and his mates and the reason he doesnt come on here i because he knows all people get when they post is whats happened on this topic and to be perfectly honest he got better things to do than come on here and read what everyone on here says, and i do have my own experiences but why should i bother saying my experiences on here when no one is prepared to take on other peoples advice. i dont take advice because the way i do things works for me

I've been a member of this board for a couple of years now and I've never known Jeangenie to ever say she's always right...however I don't think I've ever disagreed with anything she's written either :) In general this poster gives good, sound, sensible advice that I would be happy to follow. Posters are judged (rightly or wrongly) on the quality of their posts and it's usually obvious the level of knowledge behind the posts. From your posts I've came to the conclusion that you've got a lot more to learn, and you could do worse than learn from JG imo.

Edited to say, I certainly don't agree with JG about bbqs - ah well nobodies perfect :D

Tigger2 You have said what I felt but couldnt put into words.
Lea.

>you cant tell him anything about dogs.

This is the person who made you believe that bitches should only be mated on days 10 or 11; that any later is too late, is it?

Well the dog wouldn't mate my bitch until day 19, I have her home now day 24 still in season (has discharge) so will be interesting to see if she takes.  She wasn't willing to stand until day 15 and he wouldn't oblige until day 19 and he is a keen stud dog, in fact had a bitch arrive today which he was mad keen to mate but she wasn't quite willing yet, as only day 12.

get off your high horse miss ive bred 4 litters. i never said any later is too late get your facts right

>ive bred 4 litters.

How many champions?

you tel me in pms all you said is several but that you cant take credit for them all