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By Denise
Date 18.09.02 17:49 UTC
There are various Sites on this Board, to appeal to various aspects concerning dogs, even one - NON dog related. So technically everyone should be satisfied.
On this Behaviour Site, all aspects of dog behaviour will be discussed - NOT people behaviour!!
Folk with a particualr problem, post for advice, and it is good that a whole variety of ideas and suggestions are delivered back. This gives the Poster the opportunity to consider a vast ocean of advice/ideas, and not a 'blinkered' one!
We would not therefore be dissecting each other's Posts, by ridiculing what we say and how we say it. Providing of course that it is civil, we should learn to understand that we are all relying on the means of comminicating with just this 'written word', and sometimes this can be mis-understood. Our replies should be directed to the Poster only, (not each other) and allow that person to decide or enquire further, without having to read retribution type responses too.
People should not feel afraid to ask a question or even to reply to it. Now if someone should take exception to another's response, they could just leave a message to say that they would like to discuss this further as a DEBATE. Then a separate thread could be started such as 'DEBATE - Ask or Command'? They could make their comment and the person concerned if he/she wishes could respond, along with anyone else as well. Equally, ANY topic of debate could be raised for discussion, i.e. 'DEBATE - Dog Clubs'?
This way an individual enquiry will receive replies without argument. But anyone choosing to enter a 'DEBATE' topic, does so at their own risk! (I say that light-heartedly - honest)! Yes, human nature being what it is, certain subjects may get heated, but if we all tried to be concious of remaining civil, it would help.
It would be interesting to debate subjects related to 'Behaviour' generally, and discuss them, without resulting to insults either.
What do others think?
Denise.
By SaraW
Date 18.09.02 18:04 UTC
Denise - as far as I can see that looks a good idea :) All too often threads are taken off topic to an extent and the original poster is left sifting through posts to try to pick out what they feel is relevant to their situation.
Sara :)
By Denise
Date 18.09.02 20:34 UTC
Exactly Sara! The Poster does not feel initimidated by the rest of us acting like a Pack of Wolves with one lamb chop!!
Regards,
Denise.
By dot
Date 18.09.02 20:16 UTC
Denise,
Yes, I think that could work because it would allow people to debate issues in a less personal way.
Dot
By Denise
Date 18.09.02 20:37 UTC
Yes, Dot, at least when entering a thread prefixed by 'DEBATE' we know it will be a 'discussion area' (and may at times get a trifle 'warm'), but nonetheless could prove interesting reading to air and thrash out ideas and thoughts etc.
Regards,
Denise.
By hectorbear
Date 23.09.02 08:31 UTC
Dear Denise
I think it would be a great idea to start this type of topic board. I am relatively new and not very knowledgeable of dogs, but that is the main reason I joined Champdogs. I must say though I have found it slightly off-putting/intimidating to leave questions sometimes as on occassion the answer is rather aggressive. Certainly not what I expected. I have on one occassion been told to find out more about my topic before I place a question!
Regardless there is still a minefield of info out there and I think your suggestion is a great way start finding out.
I now see you have decided to leave. Please don't - it seems a shame to not share your knowledge with those, like myself, that don't know so much.
By keithhas
Date 23.09.02 11:13 UTC
I am new in posting here as well, and have no in depth knowledge of dogs. I hope Denise does not leave.
However, what I have noticed is that quite a few posters, who seem to have been here some time, add to their posts such implications that they are worried about what others might say.
This tells me that there must be a history of ganging on here and I think its time people like Denise who clearly knows what she is talking about break up these little nasties.
By philippa
Date 23.09.02 11:28 UTC
Hi Keithas and welcome to Champdogs. Some of us have been posting on here quite some time, and we NEARLY all do our best to answer peoples queries, the same as others try to help us when we have problems ourselves. Nobody on the board knows everything, how nice it would be if we did, and how much easier life would be. I have had my chosen breed now for 21 years, and still feel I have only scratched the surface. I assume you are refering to expresssions like " in my humble opinion" etc.
Those of us who are now regulars basically know how all the other regulars think and their ideas on things. However, visitors or new menbers do not, and therefore these kind of quotes are used, to let people know that the suggestion is our own personal way of doing things, and that we are NOT saying that it is the correct and only way.
We all try to be there for each other in good times and particularly the bad times, of which there have been many lately. So please do not think it is a "gang" situation, you couldnt be more wrong. We like to think, that help, advice and friendship, is what this forum is all about. The only time we tend to get a bit heated, is when a new member or guest, insists on telling us, that all OUR ideas are totally wrong, and THEIR idea is the only correct one. Horses for courses as we say. I hope you will become a member and enjoy our company. Bye for now. :D
By eoghania
Date 23.09.02 11:34 UTC
This tells me that there must be a history of ganging on here. I think its time people like Denise who clearly knows what she is talking about [to?] break up these little nasties. Hi and welcome,
That's a huge assumption and conclusion to make about this board and the individuals who post on it, especially since you admit that you are new. Nothing wrong with it, other than you are making some interesting and colorful comments. :)
Just out of curiosity, how long have you been reading these posts and threads to be able to determine how factual this supposed ganging up + "little nasties"? A week, a month, or is it more? Not trying to beat you up or anything, only trying to figure out impressions and how they are gained.
Personally, I find this a rather polite and friendly board. Name calling is very discouraged and when things get of hand, Admin takes firm control to regulate the situation. If you think this is a 'negative and nasty' site, you should visit boards at Yahoo and other locales :)
regards,
toodles
By gina
Date 23.09.02 12:11 UTC
I find this a very friendly site and even though I am a new owner I have never felt that I have been ganged up on. In fact I feel that everyone on here is a member of the gang.
I think when you have been on here a while longer (you registered I believe only 5 days ago) you will feel differently.
Regards Gina
By mari
Date 23.09.02 18:23 UTC
Hi Keith :)
Welcome to champs .I am sorry you have such a dim view of us but if you bear with us you might get to like us .
Do you notice I say us .
I felt like that over a year ago and now I know them all it is good to have them to talk to in difficult times .
Dont knock it You may find yourself needing a sympathetic ear sometime.
I make no apology for asking people who make personal attacks to stop it
. I am sure if it was you at the receiving end you would not be happy .
I am somewhat surprised you are joining if we are so bad.
I ask you to keep an open mind and look before you leap . you may find your assumptions misplaced,
When I joined I said who I was what dogs I had where I came from and did not feel the need to be secretive about me or my dogs .
I answered questions put to me and I argued with others as to how they do things and then at the end of it we agreed to disagree .
whats wrong with that .
you see Keith I do not tell people what to do I tell them what I do I.M.H.O. makes that clear.
.I think my husband might disagree with me being compared to a stepfort wife
In his dreams. :D :D lol Mari
By norm
Date 22.10.02 16:14 UTC
I have to agree that sometimes people do answer in an aggressive manner - which is why I left some months ago. I was hoping that people were being moderated more - as soon as I returned today I was cheekily asked by Leigh whether I was going to behave myself ! I might have retaliated last time I was on here, but I never set out to inflame. What a good start that was - if that's not inflaming the situation, I don;t know what is !
Now it seems I've had my perfectly reasonable post about the state of dogs behaviour in general and asking for other peoples thoughts on the matter, removed already !
It also seems to me that people begin these forums as a means of swelling their egos !
That said - I find it an interesting site and it's nice to be able to offer people advice where you can. What I think we should all remember and if I remember rightly, it's a point I made when I was on here last time - is that novices and people new to dog owning, the dog world should be welcomed and oferred non-patronising advice. We were all new to this game once and we want to encourage more people into training, showing, working their dogs.
It is no surprise that there is a decline in people competing in ob. show because of all the back-biting and whinging. Lets not let it filter through to forums and conversations aswell.
By dot
Date 22.10.02 16:53 UTC
Norm,
I think it's hard to understand how people mean something when you don't hear them and only see it in writing. eg. I saw the post from Leigh and I thought she was cracking a joke :)
I didn't think she was being cheeky but I do think it's difficult to sometimes put humour accross on boards. :)
Dot
By steve
Date 22.10.02 16:58 UTC
Norm, I think you'll find your post has been moved to Idle chat not completly removed :)
I also thought Leighs comment was tongue in cheek ,
Humour is a hard one to translate -as I well know ,
Liz :)
By norm
Date 22.10.02 20:13 UTC
well yes, it is sometimes difficult to put humour accross - but by EXPLAINING humour is better than making a sharp comment.
I thought it was an unfair and patronising comment, which although was detected as ' tongue in cheek ' I was nevertheless mildly insulted by it as because it was an irrelevant comment with regard to the general content of dog chat and more a slant on my character of which Leigh knows absolutely nothing about.
I wouldn't come straight back on here and start making rationalisations about the characters of the posters, or indeed the moderaters, and frankly I was surprised to find myself the subject of mild ridicule by Leigh....I think the ' humour ' was directed AT ( and there was a feeling of ' ganging up/ playground comments that other people have mentioned recently ).
By Quinn
Date 22.10.02 23:38 UTC
:rolleyes: norm, I clearly remember you and your posts. Leigh, as moderator, has every right in giving you a friendly reminder about "being nice". Let's try to keep this amiable, eh? ;) :)
By norm
Date 22.10.02 23:49 UTC
sometimes I think the last thing on some folks mind is being ' amiable ' - Nobody on an internet forum has the right to make personal assumptions about anyone. Meet up in person and get to know them - then draw conclusions. But not before. This really is virtual reality you know....not real life.
Got anything doggy to say?
By philippa
Date 23.10.02 09:16 UTC
Hey Norm, Youve been back about three days and are already being sarcastic. I also feel Leigh had every right to remind you to behave this time round, thats why SHE is the moderator, and not you
By Julieann
Date 23.10.02 11:51 UTC
I too agree norm that Leigh was just joking and can see why now? To some this is real? Chin up hey?
:)
By Isabel
Date 23.10.02 19:52 UTC

Virtual reality!

Well I seemed pretty real last time I checked :p :D
By patricia
Date 23.09.02 11:27 UTC
I think this sounds good pat x
By pamela Reidie
Date 23.09.02 21:21 UTC
Welcome all the new people
Pam
By taffyparker
Date 24.09.02 15:39 UTC
I have to say I too am new to the pedigree world.Although confident regarding my knowledge/experience with dogs and their welfare, I thought champdogs would be a great place to gain helpful advice. After reading through other peoples posts/replies and posting a couple of my own topics, I have found that there are a collective of people who rather than offer helpful,supportive advice are quite eager to patronise/state the obvious etc A couple of people have asked me to email them privately and I wonder if it's because they fear certain users will riducle their responses even though I've found them very informative.
Just to add, I'm don't wish to point the finger at the behaviour board alone, I usually start searching a topic,read the post and then the threads.I subscribe to a few of the boards and tend to view champdogs as a collective not by individual boards.I'm aware of which boards in particular may be causing offence, it just happens the topic was raised on this one.
Denise, I wish you'd put your original post (debate idea) on all the boards as well as being a great idea it may just make people more aware of their responses.
thankyou
Julie :)
By mari
Date 24.09.02 17:06 UTC
I am just roflmho trying to imagine Sharon Sam or Phillipa or Bec especially Bec :D a . Dizzy

Jackie H a yes sir no sir three bags full type of person :D naaa
I dont think so :D :D :D
By philippa
Date 24.09.02 18:33 UTC
Nor you Mari :D XX
By John
Date 24.09.02 17:35 UTC
multiple post are against the rules Taffyparker! it's only sensible to post an article on one board!
By keithhas
Date 24.09.02 19:02 UTC
Taffyparker, yes thats what I meant and what I noticed, it does not bother me about those people but the fact that some people (by no means all) seem to just show signs of submission to them is strange to me.
I do not know if I will ask many questions but when I do I shall direct itat those who clearly show knowledge. Haveing experience of two reward (they say they are behaviourists) only, useless, training schools I will not be asking questions of anyone shouting those, as you say, repetitive idiums with equaly repetitive useless results.
By keithhas
Date 24.09.02 19:10 UTC
If have any questions Taffyparker I will ask for you for one and I will ask on here no privately.
By John
Date 24.09.02 20:14 UTC
You know what they say Keithhas, "Yer pays yer money and takes yer choice!"
By taffyparker
Date 25.09.02 08:33 UTC
Why is it only sensible to post on one board? Not everyone subscribes to all boards.This thread appears to verify what has been stated.
Mari, was your comment supposed to be hostile?That is how it reads, no humour just citing the names of people does seem to translate as 'ganging up'. By no means is that me inviting you to argue, just pointing out how your reply reads. If you were being cheeky, well done you post well,if not take a mo to read the reply and see if you can see where I'm coming from.
Keithas, I may just take you up on your offer!
Peace.

Mari was being funny not hostile. Ganging up doesnt even enter into it ..she was sinply saying that those people named wouldnt be like that.
As to the other point ...it is against the terms of service to do multiple posts so sensible doesnt really enter into it.
HTH
Melody :)
BTW ..if several people agree with each other does that constitute ganging up or is it just agreement?
By taffyparker
Date 25.09.02 09:01 UTC
Obviously if you know eachother it's easier to translate their meaning, but if you have never spoken to them before whats written down can translate 1000 and 1 different ways.
"sensible" was not a word I chose, I quoted it.
Several people agreeing in idividual posts would be agreement, but if I'm honest citing a list of names/or constantly repeating what someone else has said does feel like gang mentality and I'm aware that may be me being overly sensitive.
I'm sure you're right and Mari was intending to be funny,as I'm sure the people named in the reply wouldn't mind being named in the thread.I'm just asking you to try and understand peoples views a little more, we don't have to draw the line and choose sides.
I'm not a confrontational person...well not without a gin anyway..so please don't take offence thats not my intention.
By aoife
Date 25.09.02 21:34 UTC
hi taffyparker,
some of the posts that i answer to at times, i don't always comment because i feel perhaps someone has summed up what i felt or would of said so rather than reapeating what others have said, i would just post , good post so and so, or agree,i do not feel that it is a gang or click if for a better word,hope this enlightens you a little, there are some sad times when posters loose there much loved pets and alot of us post even new people to the boards with there support, i think you could call it caring, even if you do not know them personaly. regards tina
By mari
Date 25.09.02 09:47 UTC
Taffyparker if you knew those people you would realise referring to them
as stepfort wifes is the the joke of the year.:)
How ever you dont know them so Denises reference to them as such was stupid
Denise has been blowing hot and cold and i,m.o was acting like someone unhinged one day, and sweet as pie the next.
So if you dont know her then why all this
Prior to coming on this board a little over a yr ago I did not know any of those on the board existed.
I am glad I did though I have made some real friends .
Met some of them in crufts and the irish munster circuit . Have arranged to meet up with others this year .
it is great as I love people and hate friction
Got my first Sharpei Berry from Dizzy and my other new boy was born monday
I posted on this board to find a friend I had lost touch with Found her thanks to Val .
I then posted to find a person who was coming to visit my friend to let him know he had died .
Found him thanks to Billy . who was in the same breed as me bullmastiffs
Have remained friends with them too
This board and the people on it have been good to me small wonder I hate to read and see someone trying to bring them down
I am sorry if you see it as ganging up I call it loyalty
Mari

As far as I know I have only met two people from this board, Julie comes to our training classes, and I met Leigh when I was manning Discover dogs with my girls at Crufts.
After we have been posting a while we get to know posters style, and feel we know them, but not many of us know each other in real life.
Edit:
How could I forgot to say I also met Joan and her little black and tan friends (Griffs) as she was manning (or rather womanning :D :D)at discover dogs too!
By SaraW
Date 26.09.02 17:10 UTC
and you know Ja;)kie too Barbara :D !!!

Well of course, she introduced me to the board about a year ago now!
I had meant people I had met since joining.
I wouldn't forget Jackie :D :D
By gina
Date 26.09.02 20:02 UTC
Hi I havent met anyone personally but being a new dog owner (which I keep saying but I think is relevant cos I wouldnt give advice) I have made a lot of friends thru this board and I always thought I was the sort of person who couldnt take advice, BUT when there are dogs to be looked after you have to take advice of the people you know can give good advice (be it your breed or not in the case of me) so I hope I keep getting the advice I need but I will have my say when there are silly people posting (IMO) that I think are silly (not anyone I am replying to at the moment of course). I think that is the point of this board - people's queries, people's answers and any civilised debates is how it should be -- but oh I do hate the people who want to cause trouble and even though I shouldnt I do reply to them now again - only human of course:) . Carry on Champdogs and all the new members and the regulars.
Gina x
By Helen
Date 25.09.02 08:47 UTC
Can you subscribe to only a few boards?? How does that work? I'm confused.
Helen

Helen ..go to options ..at the bottom of the page you can subscribe to any or all of the boards
HTH
Melody
By eoghania
Date 25.09.02 08:51 UTC
Easiest thing imo to do is
(click on) -- "Forum"
(then) -- "Active Topics"
Shows everything new and current :D
By John
Date 25.09.02 08:59 UTC
Ive no interest in being cheeky as you put it Taffyparker. Just read the terms which YOU agreed to when you applied to post on here! Posting the same topic on more than one board is against the rules.
John
By taffyparker
Date 25.09.02 09:06 UTC
John thankyou as you have just confirmed that people translate posts/replies in different ways.
Now c'mon don't get all offended,thats not my intention.:)
By taffyparker
Date 25.09.02 09:10 UTC
I am not even going to rise to that one.....:rolleyes:
By Leigh
Date 25.09.02 09:02 UTC
>> Why is it only sensible to post on one board?
"Please do not post the same question in multiple forums. Just choose the forum you consider the most appropriate. Duplicate posts will be removed." Forum Terms of Service.
Everyone agree's to read and abide by the ToS before they post :-)
Thanx John ;-)
By dot
Date 25.09.02 12:39 UTC
Taffyparker,
I only joined this board a few weeks ago. So far I have found the majority of posters very helpful, pleasant, thoughtful, humourous and not at all patronising.
However, I have found that the minority of posters that stir things up have been totally lacking in humour, dogmatic in their views and patronising at times. It's as if they've had a sense of humour bypass and try to alienate people rather than befriend them.
I joined this board because of the things I've stated in my first paragraph. I have no wish to communicate with the type of people described in my second paragraph. As for Mari's post I have no idea how you didn't see it as funny. As I'm new to the board I don't really know people yet but even if I'd looked at it as a stranger I still would have seen it as humourous.
Also I read all the boards as I like to learn as much as possible and sometimes someone posts things on one board that would also be relevant in another area. (the only boards not so relevant being Foo and Idle Chat). I even keep my eye on the bring and buy board but I'm not looking to buy or sell anything, I'm just interested.
Dot
By BethN
Date 25.09.02 17:22 UTC
Dot
That is obviously because you have a sense of humour and a bit of common sense :D :D :D You may have even noticed that a few of us know so little about dogs (as demonstated by my Mock's behaviour) ;) that we only tend to make general comments or TRY to inject humour into the whole proceedings.
Your post was very well put and basically sums my feelings up totally of this board. Welcome and I hope that you continue to feel as welcome as I always have :)
Beth
By mari
Date 25.09.02 17:49 UTC
Dot ,that Bethn is ok really isent she :D :d
Taffy now that all that is out of the way welcome .Lets get on with having a bit of fun as well as dog chat . We will be dead long enough
Best wishes Mari :D
By dot
Date 25.09.02 18:46 UTC
Aw shucks :o thanks Beth and Mari. You've made me blush :o ;) :D
Dot
By dizzy
Date 27.09.02 20:00 UTC
stepford wife ME!!!!-- in your dreams :D, as for sticking up for denise--its her attitude that was offensive-again ,no-one likes being talked down to, ---its not nice and we all had to start somewhere :)
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