can anyone tell me whether white boxers can be kc registered...is it if both parents are they can be?i was tole the other day that white boxers are not recognised in kc but dont know if this advice was untrue?

They are not to standard regarding their colour, but as long as their parents are registered they can be too.  There would e nothing to stop you showing one if you wanted, but you would probably come last.

Any white pups that are reared should be BAER hearing tested as a high proportion can be deaf, and of course should never be bred from

White puppies can be registered, not something that I've ever done though.  But there is nothing stopping you doing this.  You should never breed from a white pup even if the helath test have been done.  Usual the breeder will sell the puppy at a reduced cost without papers.  If you need any further information PM me.

i dont have a white boxer.i am gettin a red n white.but my friend has decided to get a white 1 to breed from.she has asked me to breed wot her when old enough but i am not keen on the idea esp after readin these comments.the bitch is comin wit papers.i was just curious for her really.

White boxers should never be bred from; they're pets only.

Agree with Jeangenie they should never be bred from. Also has your friend done alot of research into breeding? Its not for the fainthearted and requires you to have alot of information about your chosen breed!

to be honest i dont agree wit her breedin n i will pass this info on.no she is as clueless as i am.i am goin to stud my boy, but intend to do a lot of research asbout bitches breedin and studdin so i no all the ins and outs there is to no.r whites not meant to be bred cos all the related probs eg blind n deafness, are heightened in their pups?

Hi before you even contemplate using your boy at stud..remember this there are a lot of top stud dogs out there that get overlooked..I s your boy from heart tested parents?a ideal heart score is either a H0 or a H1..if anything higher than this they shouldnt of been bred from..also to even think about using your boy are you prepared to stand by the dams owner and offer any pups your boy may sire a home if their new homes dont work out..there is a huge amount of learning before you should ever consider this..enjoy your boy as a pet..white boxers are no more prone to ill health than their coloured siblings,but no white boxer should be bred from..in my opinion there are far too many byb out there without anyone adding to the list

i realise theres a lot of learning.yes im sure the breeder said his parents had been tested.i will ask if she has papers when i pick the pup up.she told me theyd been tested and no probs such as mumrmours etc showed up but i didnt know bout asking the score so will do that.yes id be willin to offer homes to any pups if that was necessary and i would offer my support to the bitches parents all the way thru - all those sleepless nights etc can take their toll.i would def do my research and would not take it lighly.i would be sure to do a lot of readin and ask any1 i no wit boxers about this inc when i start obedience classes i will ask people there 2.when we pick the pup up we r goin to sit down wit the breeder and talk thru all the parents history.im gettin the pup for 350,and for a boxer thats cheap so i will ask her y this is.as far as weve been told, the parents are kosher as is the pup.theyve been checked by the vet and he is happy wit the pups health.i will go sdtraight 2my vet also,n have him checked over.

If you're serious about the breed I suggest you join one of the breed clubs (listed at the bottom of the Breed Standard, where you'll have access to very many experienced boxer specialists. Hopefully your pup's breeder is also a member and could recommend you.

Make sure your puppy is KC registered (not with any other registry), that you get his registration documents when you collect him, and that if there are endorsements on his registration (most reputable breeders do this), under what circumstances the endorsements will be lifted if he turns out to be good enough to be used at stud.

And you're aware that he won't be docked?

If i were you i would be very very weary of someone selling 'registered' pups for that price
Are you 100% they are KC reg?
some people say reg when it actual fact its something like dog lovers society
Just check to be sure

as for studin out your boy I agree with other people.
Do your research and make sure he has all the neccesery tests
Good luck!

Can i be very nosey and ask why you want to put your boy to stud?

Wow that is very cheap for a boxer puppy normal boxer puppies prices are at least £600 for what i call a pet and if you are wanting a show quality puppy then add at least another£150 upwards.make sure he is KC registered..Can i say its no good asking anyone you know who owns a boxer regards breeding.breeding any dog takes a lot of knowledge,if i was you i would find myself a good mentor and have your boy assessed to see if he complies to breed standard..

I think that the research should have been done before acquiring the puppy. That way you are picking the best breeding quality puppy from a breeder that would be your mentor and a puppy that has no endorsements etc..

Surely the reason to breed should be to improve the breed and therefore not just use any puppy?

I agree that that is very cheap for a Boxer Pup. I am pretty sure our first boxer, of good show lines, cost my dad £400 about 20 years ago.

That is cheap!

When you say the parents have been heart tested, do they mean they have passed or have they just been tested? With regards to heart scores you have to be really carefull, if both parents have been graded 2 then you puppy will very likely be more than a 2 possible over a 3

As I understand it only heart scores of zero or 1, should be bred from.

£350  for a Boxer puppy is very cheap, and by the sounds of it, neither parents have been heart scored...... both parents should have been heart tested by a cardiologist,  and anything over a 1 should not be bred from.....your breeder should be able to produce the paperwork to back this up.

Being told the "vet" has checked them over is not good enough,  a normal vet will not be able to give you a true score .

Only a 0 or a 1 should be used for breeding.

I am sorry to say, but it looks like your pup is from a byb,  and giving the heart problems in our breed, I hope you don't suffer the heart ache of many by loosing their dogs at a young age, through  irresponsible breeding.

If you are only paying that amount for a puppy , you can be sure it is from an unscrupulous breeder...... you  will pay more for a White  puppy  from an ethical breeder.

You can breed from a 2 but should be put to a 0! Anything over a 3 should never be bred from even if put to a clear

You can breed from a 2 but should be put to a 0! Anything over a 3 should never be bred from even if put to a clear

Yes you can breed froma 2 , but untill we stop doing so we are never going to help our breed.

And if you do breed from a 2 ,  you must know your lines inside out.

It really does not help the breed , by just stating that, you can breed a 2 to a 0 .

Such a mating MUST be left to experts, an only to keep a line going....

Such a mating MUST be left to experts, an only to keep a line going....

Totally agree people forget that mating a 2 to a zero doesn't do the same as a 1 to a 1..  I think I am right in saying the heart problems are polygentic so it is a lot more complicated than a simple calculation. I agree 0-1 if possible and only a 2 if the dog has such great other qualities that it would harm the breed and the gene pool to elimate him or her.

am.i am goin to stud my boy

For what reason are you going to stud your boy??

They are hundreds of top quality boxers around why would you even consider this. You hadn't even got him when you posted this.. :rolleyes:

didnt people that had white boxers in their litter kull the white ones so people wouldnt know that theyre line etc produced white?

They were culled because of the high risk of deafness in white pups and to prevent people from being foolish enough to breed from them.  In these softer times people do rear them, and should have them BAER hearing tested to ensure they are hearing.  Sadly there are idiots that breed from whites, though usually unregistered pups.

I don't think anyone with an ounce of genetic knowledge would be foolish enough to cull just to hide the fact whites are produced as with the genetics of the pattern inheritance in the bred whites are unavoidable unless you use solid coloured dogs to breed from.  As few -people have the luxury of keeping separate breeding and showing stock, and the solid coloured dogs are not liked as much as the flashy marked, there will always be white pups.

These days they tend to be sold for less than their coloured littermates (as they are unshowable) and with endorsements.In the States it's common practice to sell pups with spey/nueter contracts too.I know of some very well bred white Boxers,as Brainless said,they are inevitable if two flashy boxers are bred together.
Although people do prefer the flashy for the showring,there are responsible breeders breeding and showing solid dogs too.My Boxer came from a solid to flashy mating and he has a perfect  white blaze,chest and socks.1/2 his litter were solid and 1/2 flashy with no whites.

Perhaps if more solid dogs found favour in the Ring then more solid to flashy matings would occur with fewer white pups born.  It must be awful to find that your best pup in a litter is actually the white one, except for it's lack of colour.

I agree,there's an interesting article on the ABC site by Bruce Cattanach saying that breeding flashy to flashy will eventualy become considered unethical..

http://www.americanboxerclub.org/white-deafness.html

My boxers Dam is a solid and despite that has done well in the ring so hopefully a sign of things to come :)