I have a bitch who was in her second season. noticed swelling Vulva 14th october, she didnt bleed a lot really just noticed it on wiping really , we had a stud over and on 26th october got a tie, they then tied 3 times in the space of him being here overnight, Its been 7 days since the tie, I have noticed her teats are ever so slightly swollen though they looked swollen before mating but not as much as they are now sort of thing. I cant really think of anything else other than drinking more water than usual. not much though, what do you all think ?

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From eveything I have been told and been through with my GD, you cant tell if they are in pup that early. Though it was the same with my bitch from very early on, drinking lots of water and size of her teets.

If they tied that many times though i would probably say she was in pup, but wait another 3 weeks go for a scan and you will know for sure :)

Hopefully some1 else will come on and give u some better advice and info! lol

xoxoxox

Hi

Just out of interest how old is your bitch if it was her second season ?

Lucy
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I'm not that experienced, but have done lots of research.

I'm not sure that tying 3 times in a 24 hour period would be any more effective than tying once really. If have several ties, several days apart, there is a bigger 'window' for conception, therefore you'd give yourself a higher chance of conception, if you see what I mean?

I do think 7 days is a bit early to tell, especially as your bitch would still possibly be in season then, which would make her teats enlarged, plus, even later on, any pregnancy symptoms you see could equally be a phantom.

The best thing to do would be to wait, and have a scan at around 28 days, or ask your vet to palpate, which i believe can be done around 21 days post mating.

My bitch is 3yrs and it was her second season of the year.

Which is ok but the OP poster has said it was her bitches second season :)

I wuldnt of thought it mattered how many seasons the dog has had.
Does it?

Yes if the bitch has her first season at say six months and then this one now meaning she is only a year old ;)

Dogs should not be breed from before they are fully mature which depends quite alot on the breed concerned. If a puppy has had its first season at 6 months then it could only be 12 months old at its second season which makes it little more than a puppy itself and therefore too young to be having a litter.

Yes offcourse, but mechanically speaking it doesnt matter how many seasons the bitch has had. Breed her on her second season and its going to go the same way as it would if you bred her on her 6th season etc. It isnt right that the poster did it but its done now.

Mechanically speaking it would go the same way on the first season but it should be pointed out to others reading that it does matter what age the bitch is not just the number of seasons she's had. I actually don't think 19 months old is dreadful for the OP's breed now that shes clarified the age.

The age certainly matters, as does having all the relevant health tests for both sire and dam and using dogs that are excellent specimens of their breed, and at the very least having a breed mentor with much experience to guide through the whelping process. Just the very thin edge of whats required as well as a mature bitch. :)

hiya all....
hope all are ok...
I HAVE TO AGREE ...age is a massive factor i know from experience unfortunatly!i bought a eurasier bitch a few years ago,she was according to the lady a year old...nearly 4 weeks after i got her she started acting strange,panting,digging etc...what i didnt realsie at the time was that she was nesting,i phoned my vet,took her along he said there wasnt a prob maybe shes just having a 'mad 5minutes'..well it was the longest 5minutes ever!so later that day i took her to a different vet for a second opinion..he wasnt sure but he checked her over said all seemed normal etc but suggested he kept her in for observation and that he wanted to possibly x ray her......i went home,got a call later that day  he had seen 1 pup but it was dead so he was doing a c section to remove it....i was horrified,i waited and waited for another call...eventually he phoned and said actually  i have delivered 3 puppies all are alive! i collected her as he said its best she is at home,well she totally disregarded the babies infact tried to kill them after alot of encouragement she still wasnt interested so i had to take her place...all of the babies died within 2 days,i believe that  they were not formed properly not only that ..they never got any of the goodness from their mum...she was just a baby herself and all of this is due to a very very irresponsible individual...i got her knowing nothing the next minute i was trying to rear them...the dog went mad her behaviour  was out of this world..all due to trauma,eventually i got to the bottom of it and it turns out she was mated with her brother...i took every route possible to see that the woman was dealt with,and thankfully due to trading standards rules and regulations she was fined and banned from advertising in the place i saw her advert.so there ye have it...AGE DOES MATTER it can have a huge effect on the bitch...let her have her time being a kid  doing the things they do ...then when shes mature enough if its what ye want to do ye will probably stand half a chance.
take it easy xxxxx

She is 19 months old, I know I should have waited till she was after 2 years old but I was told that she was fine to breed on her second season

It depends on the breed. I believe that a lot of toy breeders would think it ok to breed form a bitch that young. I certainly wouldn't want to breed from my bitches before they were 2 years old minimum. Even then, I would wait for the next season after they are 2 at the very earliest. But then I have a big breed and they don't mature mentally until they are a 2 1/2 years old upwards ;)

Do I understand correctly?  She is 19 months old - and this is the second time you will have bred from her?   Apologies if I have misunderstood you.

Yes think you have misread Margot 2nd season not second litter.

Thanks for that !

>It depends on the breed. I believe that a lot of toy breeders would think it ok to breed form a bitch that young.

Certainly not in Cavaliers or King Charles or any other breed(several of which are toys breeds) with Syringomyelia the youngest age should be 2 1/2

Many toy breeds are bred young than 2 and it has always been that way in the 28 years that we've had our pomeranian's but in my Spanish we don't breed until they are at least 2 and had all health tests.

Personally I wouldn't mate any bitch until at least 3 years old.  Then you've got more of a gauge if any of her littermates, parents, half siblings etc. are throwing up the same genetic faults.   I can't see what this rush is to get bitches into whelp asap.    Longevity is one of my main priorities when I breed.  You could breed from a bitch at 2, she could be dead by 5 with some inherited problem.

Hi, it sounds like she has caught. Our Lily showed the same symptoms after she had been with her 'boyfriend'. It's only a bit sketchy when there has been more than one mating. We had three altogether and therefore had three possible delivery dates. Very worrying. As with us they can go early so you should mark it on the calender and keep a VERY close eye. Lily's teats were swollen and dropoing very early.

Could be that she has taken but to be 100% sure you will need to wait till you can get her scanned.  If you got a tie on 26 then you should be able to have a scan with results by the end of November or maybe better waiting until the end of the first week of December when they can be seen a bit better.

One of my bitches(first litter) gave me an almost certain sign though immediately after breeding.  As we live a considerable distance from the stud and also the bitch has long seasons, we took her there at the 12th day after first signs of season and left her for about one week.  On collecting her she was a completely different animal.  Her temperament had changed COMPLETELY.  She was always a bit mad and doing bad things which she shouldn't but from the day I collected her from the stud she had completely changed.  She was so much more loving, very very clingy, very very calm, slept a lot, teats already very swollen.  I had never seen this immediate change in any bitch over the years.

She went on to deliver 5 pups all about 6 weeks now.  Only six weeks after whelping though has she started to change back to her old character again :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:  We love her anyway.

Just shows that some bitches you don't have any immediate signs, but there are others which are different.  However a scan in about two weeks should be able to give you an answer !! 

PS she was bred about 2 months before her second birthday.  In my breed it is normal to breed jsut before two years old.

Hi there I just thought I would let you all know that she is showing signs of pregnancy, her nipples have dropped and are fuller behind the nipple area. She is drinking loads but doesnt eat as much as she normally would. She sleeps a lot and has chilled out a lot to what she used to be look. She  is also very clingy and we have worked out she will be due Xmas eve.

Merry Christmas!!!!!  Thats all I can say, I feel bad that you have to spend Christmas Eve whelping pups, but it should prove a happy day (once you get some sleep).
But yes, get her scanned and you will know for sure. 

Good luck

I have never personally seen what pugsy experienced, but know it happens.  Earlier this year I had a bitch travel to my dog, they wanted to bring her on day 10.  I knew from my boys demeanor that the bitch was nowhere near ready.  As they had travelled so far, I asked them to leave her with me.  She ended up staying 8 days, and was mated on day 14, 15 & 16.  Within a week of her returning home, I had a call saying that she was definitely pregnant.  The owner hadn't bred a litter for over 20 years, but she said that the bitch had completely changed in personality.  Totally calmed down, and clingy as never before.  I really didn't think anyone could tell that soon, but she was right.  It's never happened to me - mine keep me guessing for as long as they can!

My latest mum demonstrated something to me which I have also never seen before.  It is her first litter and I have never ever experienced the same thing with any of my bitches.  They all keep me waiting until I have them scanned for confirmation.  This particular bitch was also mated very late in her season as she tends to have very very long seasons.  If I remember correctly it was from day 16.  Her discharge was much too much to be able to be considered as ovulating before that.  She also always has a very heavy discharge.  Normally I need to put a nappy on her to make sure that the blood doesn't get everywhere.  She is from a highly fertile line.  Her mother produced at the first breeding 6 puppies(a lot for my breed) and her grandmother the last time produced a total of 9.  I remember when I collected her from the stud dog owner though that already on that day, I remember seeing a total difference in her.  Not just temperament for example but also in her general wellbeing.  She worried me considerably during her pregnancy as she did not want to eat as she normally does.  She suffered morning sickness until about 5 weeks into her pregnancy and she would never eat first thing in the morning.  Always around midday.

However as I said she has totally changed back to her old self again...  Mischievous(is that how you spell it ?), demanding, generally being naughty let's say although she has now started to respond to my commands or at least when she wants to !!!

Suzy, get her scanned as soon as possible so that you can be sure(at least almost sure).  It is very important as you need to adjust your feeding accordingly from about the sixth week.  Don't let her eat too much !  And keep her in a bit shape too.  Regular walks etc...  Try to keep her muscle tone as it helps a lot during whelping...  Bitches with good muscle tone tend to whelp with more ease than those who are a little on the heavier side.