I am surprised that a subject should be locked. Surely discussion and debate is the way we can learn and enlighten our minds?

I even suggested a means to do this comfortably with a threat entitled 'Debate & Discussion' but hardly any interest was shown!!

Different opinions and ideas will always occur, but obviously members here are not happy or confident to investigate and discuss, (and maybe be proved wrong)?

If a closed mind and a 'Stepford Wives' mentality is what is required on various subjects, then I for one will not concede to an apron, scones and pancakes ideal.

Please therefore Leigh withdraw my membership to this Board.

I will leave everyone (apart from a few) to live 'safely' in full agreement with one another, without the risk of having those ideas questioned and the only means of training they know threatened.

To any newcomers, please try to keep an open mind on the behaviour of dogs, observe and investigate for yourselves.

Regards,
Denise.

Oh for heavens sake ...get off your high horse Denise.

I began a topic last week that was only up for a few minutes before it disappeared ...why? Because it was mentioning foxes and the hunt. It happens ..there are some subjects that wind people up and there are certain ways of posting which do the same.

Debate and discussion are fine ..but you ALWAYS imply heavily that training methods used by other people are poor. It has to be said ..it has been a consistant line in your posts ...and that is why peoples backs go up once you begin.

I am no Stepford wife ..but I sure as hell don't want someone stepping up saying *everything you do is wrong ..you should do it this way*

A lot of the regular posters on here have had *their* threads subjected to being locked or disappearing altogether ...get over it

:(

Melody - As an addenda I dont CARE what method is used for training ...as long as it has the desired effect

Debate & discussion are fine, and show an open mind, dogmatic opinions are not, usualy indicating opposition to debate. You Denise must do as you think fit, if that is to leave then so be it. It is arrogent to think you are the only one who has had their posts locked or removed, it is done to keep this board civil. Do you realy want to see the board closed because some posts, not neccessarily yours, cause feeling that are too strong for public view. We all feel strongly at times and most people know when to shut up but some of us don't and need the control that admin asserts. Jackie

Having seen your previous scathing about people "threatening" to leave the board when you know full well that they won't, I presume that YOU actually mean it......

Bye then.......

Beth

P.S Shame you never got round to answering my question

Well we never did find out what breeds she had and what qualifications she had. However, a Lurcher x Greyhound is...........A Lurcher!!!

afraid i found your repetitive know all attitude far more in line with a stepford wife , lighten up a touch ---oh and goodbye :D

Lol :D

We have all been slapped on the wrist from time to time .
At one stage my posts were no sooner up then gone.
So what
its the terms if you dont like them then dont post.
The board is not ours it is belong to Mark .
If he does not like what is on his board then he is within his rights to take it off
Fact of life.
I am not saying I agree with him I am saying its his decision.
Denise I am not sure where all this became aggressive , but it has to stop .
It is a dog board not a war zone.
I have been as guilty for getting annoyed as anyone. so if your thread is gone then it is right as it is time for the thread to go when it gets personal.
So chill out.
Your going is not going to make one bit of difference
come on lets face it thats all we are posters .
After a few weeks there will be new posters and after that more new posters .
we would not be even missed .
When I came on this board first there were people called Bear Norm. Lisa , Sophie and loads more I cant recall just now . They were nice and some of them were pure funny .
But they dont post and the board goes on.
I never say I wont post again as who gives a knickers if I do or dont .
I can always go to chat to stay in touch with the friends I have .
So lighten up and get over it its a thread for gods sake not a
life sentence .
Mari

Denise - I for one am sorry you feel this way but I think if I was in your shoes I'd react pretty much the same :(
It is always a shame when people feel they are unable to post on this board any longer.

Other posters -

I sometimes think I must be from a different planet as I read things so differently at times
a) I did not read the post as implying Denise is the ONLY one ever to get a thread locked.
b) Denise has posted about her dogs (and cats) and experience in other threads although admitedly she didn't answer you direct Beth but that may have been missed or OK she may have declined to post.
c) Denise has not suggested "heavy handed" techniques in any post I've read. She expects her animals to respect her and recognise she is boss and that is what most of us want. She doesn't use treats - each to their own. Philippa you have said yourself in the past that it is important for a dog (particularly something as big as an IW) to respect you and that you will not tolerate them challenging you - your dogs know you're the boss.
d) I have more than once seen in Denises post remarks like "if you are happy with your relationship with your dog then that's fine" She hasn't in my opinion been forcing her way as the only way BUT she has given posters a different view point. I use a combination of ways - I bait my dog in the ring, I sometimes use treats as a help in training recall, I DON'T reward by treat for every new excersise. I have never felt belittled by Denise for this though - we have discussed this in the past BUT I have belief in what I do and I am therefore not worried about "defending" my corner over this with her or anybody else.
d) I'm not sure Denise's ways are much different to many of ours but it has got to the stage where any post with Denise in the posters title has people reading it with a view to expect to disagree.
e) I feel at times it has got "stepford wifey" too. There have been comments lately about people being afraid to post incase they get shot down in flames. Is this not an indication that Denise may not be far off the mark with that comment? Surely we want to be able to read different approaches to problems? It will be pretty boring if we all agree all of the time and if we're not careful it will end up that way.
f) Why was there a lack of interest in Denise's suggestion about a Debate thread ? That would have been the ideal place for us to act like grown ups and discuss subjects where there are opposing views by board members - Forget the scathing remarks (which are present in this thread) and post like adults.

For the record - I believe all dogs are different and the training may need tweaking a little for each or your dogs. My dogs respect me but they are by no means perfect and I SHOULD work on that. I do not agree with everything Denise has ever said - same as I do not agree with everything any other poster has said. HOWEVER I want to see different views to mine - sometimes I've realised that another persons way is BETTER than mine and I've changed my ways.

I am sad that I feel the need to post on this thread - in my opinion there have been too many threads like this recently and sometimes I think we need to take a step back and look at the whole picture. Yes there have been some posters of late who are fully deserving of the FRB treatment as suggested by Melody - however I hope as a group we don't start to alienate the wrong people. Lyndsay had different views to many (including me) but felt unable to post any longer and now Denise feels the same. Soon we will all be singing from the same hymn sheet on here but in the back of our minds will be questioning it all but be too afraid to say different.

Sara :)

The sad thing too is I now wonder who I've upset by expressing my views and what backlash this may cause to me - it would be nice to press the post button on this and not to be concerned about that

saraw your opinions shouldnt upset anyone-after all thats how you feel about it, -this is what its all about after all---ill just poke you in the eye at the next show!!! :D

lol ( good job I never take my glasses off ;) )

Definitely didnt upset me Sara :)

Melody

Nothing you can say would upset me honey. I don't always have to agree with people to like them you know :D :)

By the way, will actually send you a mail soon, bee really lax recently. Hope you're okay and that all is well with your lot

Beth xxx

Denise,

Personally, I wish the thread I initiated - Protecting Stolen Food - would be locked. Not because I didn't get anything from it but because it has totally strayed from being directed to me and my dog.

And to put in my tuppence worth, Sara W says on this thread that she has never felt belittled by responses from yourself. Well, I have. I felt totally insulted with the tone implied when you posted that I should speak to my trainer to - QUOTE -"reinforce your position and regain respect - that is sadly lacking." That remark was made without asking for further knowledge first. I agreed with the part of speaking to my trainer and tried to assume that the quote part wasn't intended to sound as harsh or unfounded as it appeared.

Oh, and by the way, my dog has never needed to be bribed by titbits during training excercises. He does all excercises and heelwork because he wants to please me. He is as good at doing them off the lead as on. He respects me as the boss, has never given me the "cold or white eye" I did offer him at titbit to get the chicken off him as I was taken aback by a behaviour that had never been displayed. Did you even note that the titbit wasn't even necessary since he dropped the chicken and backed off BEFORE the titbit was given? What I have realised from the incident, and his behaviour since, is that I overreacted. IMO some posters who replied, including yoursef, also overreacted.

I do feel I have learned things from yourself and many others on the board and it is a shame that you have decided to leave but from now on FRB on this subject. (sorry can't do bold print)
Dot

Hi. I didnt realise there had been any locked threads recently?

Seems to me , here we go again (ugh).
Please can you all just post what you believe in without worrying about it. Whether people agree with your methods or not is not the point. It is to share experience and gain knowledge. That is why I come here to see how people feel about different dog related subjects. I realize also that debates can arise and that is all healthy and good as far as I'm concerned. Shows that you're not just a bunch of dead fish and actually have strong beliefs that you feel are worth sharing. The important thing is to respect one anothers oppinions regardless.
Mari, I for one would be upset if you were no longer on the board. I think others would miss you also.

Peace to all, goodwill to all dog and animal lovers,

Carissa

carrisa-theres ways and means of getting your point across without talking down to people-weve had a few of these trainers on lately that go on and on, repeating the same stuff day in and out-i agree with some of the things that was said . but not the way they came over, youre right in that we all have differing veiws-saraw came on and stuck up for the poster-no-one got uptight about it,---but non of us like being talked down to, :(

and boy did I go on in my post Dizzy ;) Just sent myself to sleep re-reading it :D
I can only talk from my personal experiences with posters as Dot did (rightly so) in her reply :) My biggest worry is what I raised in the last bits (if anyone actually managed to read that far lol) about alienation of people and us being left with no-one with different views. I'd make for a pretty boring board if that became the case. Mind with the other outspoken posters around (Dizzy for one ;) ) I suppose that's not likely to happen :) I agree I do not like being spoken down to but that hasn't happened to me personally.

right!!!! thats a poke in both eyes now :D , i think you must of confused me with someone else ??????

Hi Beany, There was nothing wrong with your post!! Surely thats part of the idea of this board, for people to air their thoughts and views? However, I dont think anyone likes to be talked down to, and therein lies the problem with some of the recent posts on here. No one is perfect, as no dog is perfect. I just wish people ( new posters especially) would realise that we all have our own way of doing things, and that dosnt make us wrong and them right :)

Well [HI Saraw]Iactually like the tone of Saraws post.
My reaction to Denise is simply meant to remind her and the rest of us me too that no one but no one is indespensible .
So if you enjoy posting[ I do ] then just do it .
I have to quote Joan here , take the rough with the smooth.
Mari

Hi Sara W, I too liked your post, as at no point did you talk down to me or imply that yours was the one and only way:D

I agree with you diz, :)
The main problem that I have with those who firmly believe what they believe (isn't that all of us actually? ;) ) is that other than the specific "training methods" continually espoused, there isn't anything else provided to give a sense of the individual person behind the opinion.

Rarely if ever is there any participation in some of the "get to know you" threads, little humour, just deadly seriousness, no queries ever given about possible problems that the person might not be so expert about, and definitely very little "chit-chat" interest at all. (and no, Denise, I'm not talking about you, there are others who are on the similar wave-length in past, present, and likely the future on here:) )
Sure, this might be minor 'stuff', but it helps to identify words on a computer screen as belonging to another person who lives, breathes, and has a life somewhere in the world :) It builds empathy, respect, and also allowances are more easily given when there's a perception of a real live person and not just a pushy and forceful opinion restated repeatedly. :)

I have gained so much on this chat board that I would miss those who choose to leave for one reason or another. Even those that I occasionally roll my eyes about :rolleyes: :) :D
toodles :Cool:

not denise in particular but there has been a couple of others i was pleased to see go-im not so sure they left though- removed might of been more like it, for those rolleyes just didnt cut it ---[hang mans noose !!!] would be a good alternative on the emoticons

LOL Dizzy,
I'd love the hangman's noose imagery too. It would be better even than the FRB with its dual meaning ;) :D Hey Admin, wanna try it out for us? ;)

FRB ?????????

You know I cant help it when I see FRB I see a little furby
lol Mari

Dizzy, I didn't know either! :)
It means Fire Resistant Blanket and can be posted as FRB under an inflamatory post to try to take the heat out of responses.
Ask Mari for more info, I think it was on her thread all about it.
Nicky
P.S. EDIT My mistake, Melody NOT Mari.

Ahem!

;)

Melody

OOOOOOOPS. Sorry Melody! (creep, creep) :D
Easy mistake for a dummy like me! And after you helped me with my problem this morning too! :rolleyes:
Nicky

LOL

No probs ...do a search on FRB and you will find it in context somewhere :D

Melody

:d :d Nicky I thought it was a furby lol

Hello Denise

I think u are silly leaving, no one persons view's are the same it would be boring if everybody agreed on each topic
but I respect all peoples views even if I disagree strongly with what they are saying .Pat xx

Oh plllease. I dont post very often and read to try to get advice and knowledge but this schoolyard, over analysis of every word is childish and boring. Has anyone got anything else to worry about? I for one have.