Rach a dog is a dog, no matter if it's the smallest Chi or the largest Wolfhound, no dog in my opinion should be crated for 7 hours during the day. I really find it sad that there are people who think this is ok....

And I find it sad that people like you put people down for crating when you know nothing about anything about them, at least other members on here ask questions and debate not just have random statements telling people how bad they are.
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I have already said it's your perogative, I don't need to know any details about your dog, it's a dog, plain and simple, and I DO find it sad that you think it's ok.  Have said in my posts this is just MY opinion, if your going to state things on an open forum your are going to be open to other people's opinions :) 

Oh and have already said that I DO use crates, so not putting anyone down for crating, It's just the length of time I don't agree with  :)

:rolleyes: No need for caps!!

I find it sad you think Im sad! Really dont care what you think anyway mate!! couldnt give a monkeys!! :)

Wish I could say the same, but sadly I do give a monkeys :(

Dont think that by making me look bad for crating it makes you look better being the high and mighty.
Theres nothing wrong with crating and I will fight this point to tyhe bitter end as no one will let it lie! Im willing to but not going to be pushed into saying its wrong when it isnt!

Since when has posting your opinion been high and mighty :rolleyes:
Touched a nerve Rach
If your happy with what you do then fine, just don't expect everyone to agree with it.
I probably do a things others don't agree with (feed complete and vaccinate)
I'm happy with what I do and that's all that matters  :)

The sad thing is I wasnt looking for people to agree! :rolleyes:
I was simply stating what I did and everyone jumped down my throat so I defended my self, I dont want everyone to agree with me and I dont care if you do or not, just seems on here if you say something someone doesnt agree with then that is it! Gloves on and attack mode iniated!

Doesn't it tell you something when nobody agrees with you? Nobody is ganging up, of the people involved in this thread I don't know a single one in real life and don't even know the real names of any except one so it's unlikely total strangers would all agree against one other if they didn't all feel strongly about the same thing. Clearly the majority of us here share the view.

I dont care what you say, finger going to the IGNORE button, and oh yes....it has been pushed!
Dont have to listen to your comments on how perfect you are anymore and how bad we people who crate are!!

Rach I really think your reading this all wrong.  Not one of us have said we have a problem with crates.  I don't know anyone on this forum IRL so have no gangs to support, this is just our opinion.
Don't you think that maybe just maybe we could be right that 7 hours of crating during the day isn't good...

I dont care what you say, finger going to the IGNORE button, and oh yes....it has been pushed!
Who said that?   ;)

:rolleyes:

> I dont care what you say, finger going to the IGNORE button, and oh yes....it has been pushed

:rolleyes::rolleyes: Says it all really, doesn't it :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Daisy

I DO have Staffys (and have had for many years) and have never had any that were exessive chewers.

Our Staffy IS  chewer, our friends staffy is a chewer and chewed all their skirting boards, and another friends chewed everything in the house when he was left to roam for the first time from being crated. So it is true just not of all of them obviously! You cant say theyre not all chewers as you can never meet every staffy! and vice versa of course! :)

You cant say theyre not all chewers as you can never meet every staffy! and vice versa of course! :-)

Glad you realised that now! Yesterday it was a case of ALL Staffies chew and if I didn't know that I didn't know anything about them. :D

That's the point I was trying to get across to you.  Not all Staffys are chewers!  Just like not all Staffys are fighters.  You can't tar them all with the same brush!!

all stafford owners pretty much crate their dogs!
These Stafford owners that all crate their dogs, are they the same as the ALL good breeders that recommend crates, like you said a few days ago? If so I don't really believe it I'm afraid...... :rolleyes: I also do know Staffie owners who do NOT crate their dogs.

I dont care what you have to say as obviously you are right and I am wrong evcen tough I know my dog and you have never sen her or met her or seen her crated but I will believe youi over myself.
please Marianne I know my dog and she does not have SA and SBT owners will mostly crate their dogs, but of course not all!!!

I for one definately do not crate my Staffys (don't need to)!!!

Sarah.

all stafford owners pretty much crate their dogs!

Is this  just during puppyhood/adolesence or throughout their entire lives?

Depends on the living circumstances and the dog its self really doesnt it!

There's no need to be defensive,it was a simple question :) I have experience with EBT's but not staffs and i've never heard that they needed to be crated any more than any other breed.Labradors are notorious chewers but I don't know any that are crated beyond adolesence.

Didnt mean to be defensive! :) not too you anyway!

She doesnt need to be crated longer as shes a SBT these guys just wont accept the fact that she crated PERIOD!

I don't think anybody's said dogs shouldn't be crated/caged ever - just not for more than 2 or 3 hours at a time. :)

I was refering to the age of the dog when you no longer need to crate rather than the length of time  during the day :)  Most people I know (Americans included) only use the crate for the first 12 months or so and then "un" crate train as gradualy as they crate trained in the first place.I was genuinly interested to know if this is the case with staffs as I have hardly any knowledge of the breed.

We did start training her but as soon as we left she was chewing the cupboards! :rolleyes:

She had toys everywhere and a treat ball, she even tries to get a sneaky chew in when were home! :D
Woulsnt have her any other way but she is a real chewer and its safer for her to be crated, maybe til she matures and calmes down, then we can start leaving her in the kitchen?!

The reason shes destructive is because she is left to her own vices and shes a SBT if you know anything about the breed you will know they are natural chewers and all stafford owners pretty much crate their dogs!
I'm sorry Rach but I have to just reply on this comment!!!
I wouldn't say that the reason for her destructive nature is purely and simply because she is left to her own devices!
And equally, I wouldn't say that SBT's are 'natural chewers' - in fact I'm not entirely sure what you mean by that....yeah they are fairly destructive ifthey chew something, but I wouldn't agree that they're more prone to chewing than any other breed.

you say she is only destructive when 'left to her own vices' - well, you're saying she's crated when left during the day and isn't destructive then?  So I don't quite understand how you know it's NOT separation anxiety?
Oh and finally, not ALL stafford owners crate their dogs... some don't have to, cos some don't have destructive dogs :-)

Thats a fair point! :)
Im just trying to say that our girl is a chewer through and through always has been since she was 8 weeks old!
When shes crated she doesnt have any problems as the neighbours says she never ever barks or they never hear whining and her crate isnt ripped apart like a dog with anxiety would do.
I never said all owners crate but I said most do in my expierance, which is pretty vast with SBT's as they the only breed I have ever owned or been in the family.
Im not saying We will never train Mitz to be in the kitchen but she is perfectly happy where she is and I see no reason to change things for her!
By natural chewers i mean they will exercise their jaw on pretty much anything! and thats all the time! :)

All stafford owners pretty much crate their dogs
I'm sorry perhaps I misunderstood your sentence then :-)

Perhaps then you need to expand your vast knowledge further still :-)

I've been around Staffords for a few years too, but would say I'm still learning ALL the time
And I would still disagree that Staffords exercise their mouths on anything and all of the time.  I'm not disagreeing for the sake of it - just going on friends Staffords/experienced Stafford owners who are friends and my own two Staffords amongst others...
My two exercise their mouths on the toy I tell them to, NOT my furniture...
They're well trained! :-)

Mitz will only chew the kitchen cupboards when left alone in there when we did a trial run, she doesnt chew anything else apart from her Kongs etc, so she only chews when were not there to tell her not too!

but that's my point - Perhaps she needs some retraining?
Now I haven't read previous threads of yours about her destructiveness, so don't think I'm having a go. 
I'm still not sure I understand?  You said she chews whilst unsupervised, but how can she chew if you're crating her whilst you are out?
Do you mean whilst you are out of the room and Mitz is in a different room?
Just trying to understand...

No worries Tracey I'll break it down for you! :)

Morning I walk her for around an Hour offlead in our local wood.
We have her crated for 7 hours a day (Maybe even less as my OH often gets home before me, so it more like 6 hours a day and only for 4 days a week)
When we come its straight out for a walk again and no more crating till the next morning before work.

When we experimanted with leaving her in the kitchen for an hour or 2 she was chewing like crazy and ripped out a wooden shelf and left shavings everywhere!! :rolleyes:
We tried again, she got the other shelf and did the same!
We tried it again, training at the same time dont foget with treats and praise and she still started ripping up the Lino!

Since she has done that if she sneaks off to the kitchen when were home and we dont notice she will try to nibble the shelves again so its started bad habits the with the bugger!
Tried the spray of Bitter Apple and she seems to like it rather then it out her off!

The shelves is the only thing she will chew, its wood which is her weak point it seems!

When shes crated she doesnt have any problems as the neighbours says she never ever barks or they never hear whining and her crate isnt ripped apart like a dog with anxiety would do.

That's simply not correct. They don't have to make noises to suffer from it. Some will ONLY try to find something to do like chewing, as they are unable to settle down enough to sleep or rest.

Exactly my point she doesnt do that when crated. So how can she have SA? Honestly mate youre going round in cirlces. I know she hasnt got it and thats final really aint it? As you will never see her to make a judgement!
And for the record she never chews out of place in her crate so now list your points of hows she got it as youre running out fast!

Sigh. She hasn't GOT anything interesting to chew in the crate, does she?! The blanket might not be what she wants to chew. It also isn't impossible that when faced with total defeat, she just gives up -doesn't mean she is happy. I think it's very worrying that you have such little regard for your dog's welfare that you're not even open to making SURE. Why don't you just prove us all wrong and simply leave the door to the cage open and check how much time she spends in there? Set up a CCT camera (they cost as little as £80 these days, for babies) and check what she does when on her own for hours but not locked up.

Dont patrionise me.

Will you pay for the vet bills of she chews a wire of something falls on here while she playing?
Will you pay for the skirting boards she will destroy?Will you buy the camera for me to use?
Didnt think so.

Not everyone is like you so deal with it, and how dare you say I have no regard for my dogs welfare, I have already tried your perfect method and it didnt work.
She has toys a plenty in her crate dont you say she isnt happy, who the hell do you think you are anyway???Our conversation is over before I lose my cool with you.

"and how dare you say I have no regard for my dogs welfare,"

Although I didn't say that I would like to point out that you said the same about an entire nation..

"It is sad how they treat theyre animals, as i said earlier not a animal friendly place the USA"

I wasnt stating it as a fact, thanks! :)And 2nd it wasnt directed at you that statement!

I know it wasn't directed at me, as I said i didn't say the comment that incited your reply.I was merely pointing out that you had accused a whole nation of having little regard for their dogs while horified at  someone for saying the same to you.

You mean swearing and calling me names ISN'T losing your cool? :rolleyes: This is all part of owning dogs! You make sure the room they are in is SAFE -it is far from impossible as I have always managed to do it in each house I have lived in. Cables can be put out of reach and also covered up. As I said before, the kitchen is usually the easiest option. I've had skirting boards chewed, the dogs stopped when out of adolescence and having learnt -doesn't cost a lot to replace. But with a bit of work this can be prevented as well. I notice you now have two other Staffie owners saying they don't have these problems, so it clearly isn't something all Staffies do. I've had dogs uncaged indoors for 26 years, there's never been a single accident -why do you think yours would be at such risk?

Add to that newly plastered walls We then lost our diner to the dogs it leads straight into the garden so tiled walls and floor and its easy to keep clean and very safe :)

Yep 5 foot 6 of tile all round the kitchen.  Unfortunately there are are few tooth marks from my 7 month pup on two corners of the plinths of the new kitchen units, bit of bitter spray has discouraged her and I used some laminate floor filler to cover up.

That's strange Rach.  My 2 SBTs are left alone with free range of the bottom floor of the house and they don't chew at all!

yes she is in her crate at night from 1-6 so yes up to 8 hrs a day not 15. I would prefer that to her eating her way through electrical cables.

Thanks for that Abby finally someone who sees sense!7 hours a day is fine!

As long as there's a break in the middle. :) Two to three hours should be the longest continual time in confinement.

My youngsters are crated overnight, but not during the day and especially not for 7  hours.  My pup will go in her crate around lunch time for a couple of hours sleep but then she is only 10 weeks so needs it
If I had to crate a dog for 7 hours during the day, I wouldn't have one

You wouldnt have one? Thats an intresting view, so anyone who crates theyre dog while theyre at work shouldnt have a dog? Thats crazy!